My view on the millenium

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Devo

Romans 11:28! What I understand what Paul says is, that according to the gospel they are enemy,for your (Gentiles )sakes, but as for the election this is for the father,s sake ,meaning that the Jews will have priority for the election that will be of the 144k redeemed from the earth, Abraham could be part of those ,because it says in scriptures that if you truly believe in the father you will believe in the one he as send,and people like Abraham and Moses who add total faith in God ,will and can not reject the true messenger of God ,in which they so deeply believe in,

So it is not the modern Israel that stands for anything but the righteous men that have loved their God and trusted him in the same way we should do it,

Hi Terra,

Modern Israel today is not being ruled by God yet.
They are still in a state of divorce from God and are playing the harlot just like every other nation is.

God only brought Israel back in 48 for their next and final approaching punishment…their 3rd and final overturning as a nation.
Not for blessings but for punishment.

The 144 000.
Remember how God said those of that particular election we are talking about (not the 144k) were enemies of the Gospel?

Well if you look again at the 144 000, does it not say that these 144k follow the Lamb wheresoever He goes?

But more importantly:

That they were not defiled with WOMEN?

So men worshipping anything other that Christ's gospel are defiled yes?
Because they are chasing other women (religions)
But the 144k were NOT defiled by women.

Therefore, they (these Jews I'm speaking of) can not be the 144 000….those enemies of the gospel…because that is where this group is being gathered from…from those enemies of the gospel…being gathered from those following Moses' law!!

Yet the 144 000 have ALWAYS followed Christ, because they were never defiled by another religion…and Judaism IS another religion because it rejects Christ…

So the 144 000 can't come from that group being set aside under the election of grace, because if you read it again and again and again and again you will eventually come to see that there are two elections of grace, one for Christians, and one for Jewish enemies of the gospels.
Why?
“for the father's sakes”..
AND CHIEFLY:
“For MY NAMES SAKE”

Don't forget that these Jews have a zeal for God, but not in understanding…so they think they are defending God when they reject Christ, just like Paul did, and just like Paul, these selected for grace WILL come to learn of Christ in the end…in the millennial kingdom coming very soon…until then, they remain enemies of the gospel from which group the 144 000 just can't be taken from because it would contradict scripture.

June 19, 2013 at 7:51 am#348139

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Devo

No men can be graphed without first receiving the holy spirit, this is true,but. To what extent do they receive it Understand that the scriptures where written under the guidance of the holy spirit ,so those men add to receive it but not all stained faithful to it and their God,

I do believe that accepting the truth of God is the beginning of receiving the holy spirit ,and as you deeply progress into it the holy spirit of truth his with us to guide us in more and more truth,because he is the spirit of truth,and the comforter to live through all the difficult time we live in,and endure

Hi Terra,

Yes we agree.
This is WHY the Jews must be brought back in the flesh…to receive the Holy Spirit so they can be gaffed back into the tree.
Think of all those generations before Christ, how can they be changed into Spirit when they NEVER HAD THAT SPIRIT we both agree a man MUST have to be gaffed?

God made promises to them, but they are all dead now!!
So HOW can God keep His promise unless he brings them back and puts that Holy Spirit within them that we both agree a man must experience before being changed into Spirit?

Because a man MUST have the Holy Spirit Before he can be resurrected into Spirit.

So that leaves one and one option only…bring them back to life in the flesh and put that SPIRIT within them so they can be changed into Spirit just like the Christians were before them at Christ's coming.

God won't just change them into Spirit because then what would they have learnt?
There are no lessons for them unless they live those lessons like we have to.
So they must be brought back as flesh first.
That's the whole point of the 1000 year kingdom.

If it didn't have to be done this way, then we wouldn't need a mortal 1000 year kingdom…everybody would just be instantly changed to Spirit,
But that would undo hundreds of scriptures explaining that a man must first have that Holy Spirit grow within him before being resurrected, because it is that Spirit of Christ within them which is being USED to do the actual resurrecting.

And if all those generations of Jews who died before Christ to whom God made promises to don't get brought back to life in the flesh to receive that Holy Spirit, then Gods promises are broken and those generations are lost forever!!
Because a man must FIRST have that Holy Spirit gaffe with his own soul before being made Spirit.

So if they don't get brought back in the flesh to receive that life giving Spirit, then they are all doomed and lost…death has won and Gods promises undone…and not only them, but every human who ever lived before Christ came…all doomed.

June 19, 2013 at 8:03 am#348140

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Please pay attention to the key words:

Zechariah 2:12 “And the Lord shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land and shall choose Jerusalem again

This coming kingdom EdJ.

Hi Devolution,

This occurred in on May 14, 1948.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EDJ.

1948, israel *TODAY* has been gatered by God,but only to be *hunted down by his enemies*.
Because this is just the **FIRST GATHERING**.

The **SECOND GATHERING** will be also in israel,but in the 1000yr reign. This *ALL* have failed to see.
All jews from the past WILL BE **BROUGHT BACK**,BY CHOICE,
IN THE KINGDOM,WHERE THE SAINTS WILL RULE.

THE FIRST IS FULFILLED;THE SECOND IS COMING.

wakeup.

EdJ,

Wakeup explained it well.

The reason God has brought back Israel is for this reason:

Zephaniah 3:8 “Therefore wait ye upon me, saith the LORD, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for my determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them mine indignation, even all my fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy.”

This is why God has put Israel in the midst of and surrounded by her enemies…to bring about the conditions for Gods plan to unfold.

Hi Devolution,

It's not a matter of how well Wakeup expresses his views, but how well they line up with Scripture.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi EdJ,

I know they line up with the scriptures because I can see them too.

June 19, 2013 at 8:54 am#348141

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Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2013,02:15)

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Please pay attention to the key words:

Zechariah 2:12 “And the Lord shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land and shall choose Jerusalem again

This coming kingdom EdJ.

Hi Devolution,

This occurred in on May 14, 1948.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EDJ.

1948, israel *TODAY* has been gatered by God,but only to be *hunted down by his enemies*.
Because this is just the **FIRST GATHERING**.

THE FIRST IS FULFILLED;THE SECOND IS COMING.

wakeup.

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1948, israel *TODAY* has been gatered by God,but only to be *hunted down by his enemies*.
Because this is just the **FIRST GATHERING**.

this is the greatest deceit that i know of ;how can a nation that reject God become now a principal key in events to come

did the full destruction of the temple in Jerusalem in 70 ad ,mean nothing to you guys

was not the true gathering started when Christ came and is still going on until the end of this age,is this not what Christ said yes

are not the true Israelite the ones that are in Christ and worship God in spirit and truth yes according to Christ ,

Hi Terra,

Don't forget that the gentiles receive mercy first..
THEN Israel last

The first will be last and the last first remember.

So any Jew accepting Christ today can not be in the “first group” because they accept!!

So they then fall into the Christian Group…the last…see?
Two groups!!

The “last group” that eventually became Gods people after the Jews, those Jews who received the covenants first…this last group will become changed into Spirit first…because there is NO difference between those who follow Christ be they Jew or Greek.
See?
So all believers be they Jew or Greek, fall into that group that do see.

And any Jew rejecting Christ today falls into that “other group”…the “first group” that will be changed into Spirit last…
IF…IF…BUT ONLY IF God has chosen them of course.

Because there will be many many Jews who will be rejected…just like the rejected amongst the Gentiles!!

We are not pro Israel Terra, we are pro God.

Don't forget, Jews are brought up being told Christianity is a lie by the very people they trust and respect…their parents.
That to leave Judaism is to leave God!!
And that they are enemies for the gospels sake but brethren nonetheless.

And we musn't forget that God has blinded Israel so we Gentles can receive mercy first…and as soon as we are gathered at the coming and changed into Spirit, then comes the Jews turn to receive mercy…

If a Jew believes in Christ today, how can he be blinded?

God said one group will be blinded yet will eventually receive mercy only after the first group is gathered…(the fullness of the Gentiles)…

So you see, there are two groups…

One group (Jews) gets blinded whilst the other group (Gentiles) receive mercy.

And after that group that received mercy is gathered at the coming, then and only then does Israel's eyes become open and mercy is given them too.

Oh the wisdom and mercy of God!!

This is when that veil will be lifted from their eyes and from the eyes of every man on earth..at the 2nd coming.

Remember they have to be provoked to jealousy first, and ashamed that they rejected their Messiah, and mourn over Him whom they pierced!!
And trust me, NOT ONE practising Jew in Israel today cares a toss about Jesus, so how can they mourn over that which they do not believe?

How can they do all these things (be provoked to jealousy etc) when Christ comes if they were already Christians being forgiven in Christ as they lived?

So again, a clear distinction between two groups receiving mercy at different times.

That is why the first will be last and the last will be first.

June 19, 2013 at 1:54 pm#348148

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Devo

Hi Terra,

Because a man MUST have the Holy Spirit Before he can be resurrected into Spirit.

devo

maybe they all have been resurrected already ;

Mk 15:38 The curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom.

this was the end of the law and the new covenant was in place,

Mt 26:28 This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.
Mt 26:29 I tell you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it anew with you in my Father’s kingdom.”

Mt 27:51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook and the rocks split.
Mt 27:52 The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life.
Mt 27:53 They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus’ resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people.

this could be the faithful of old in verse 53,

June 19, 2013 at 2:34 pm#348149

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devo

I do not believe that the resurrection of the righteous of old could be done through a gathering in these last days of wrath of God ,they have already seen their part of misery ,and there is no need to make them prove that they faithfulness as to be tested again ,

Jerusalem is now in heaven the city of God (144k),and Israel his people are called from all over the world nations ;this is the gathering of those who are called by the blood of Christ the new covenant

old covenant as been dealt with in 70 AD permanently

Dt 6:25 And if we are careful to obey all this law before the LORD our God, as he has commanded us, that will be our righteousness.”
Dt 12:28 Be careful to obey all these regulations I am giving you, so that it may always go well with you and your children after you, because you will be doing what is good and right in the eyes of the LORD your God.
Dt 32:46 he said to them, “Take to heart all the words I have solemnly declared to you this day, so that you may command your children to obey carefully all the words of this law.
Jos 1:7 Be strong and very courageous. Be careful to obey all the law my servant Moses gave you; do not turn from it to the right or to the left, that you may be successful wherever you go.
Jos 22:5 But be very careful to keep the commandment and the law that Moses the servant of the LORD gave you: to love the LORD your God, to walk in all his ways, to obey his commands, to hold fast to him and to serve him with all your heart and all your soul.”

LEV 26:9 ‘So I will turn toward you and make you fruitful and multiply you, and I will confirm My covenant with you.
LEV 26:10 ‘ You will eat the old supply and clear out the old because of the new.
LEV 26:11 ‘ Moreover, I will make My dwelling among you, and My soul will not reject you.
LEV 26:12 ‘ I will also walk among you and be your God, and you shall be My people.
LEV 26:13 ‘ I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt so that you would not be their slaves, and I broke the bars of your yoke and made you walk erect.

LEV 26:27 ‘Yet if in spite of this you do not obey Me, but act with hostility against Me,
LEV 26:28 then I will act with wrathful hostility against you, and I, even I, will punish you seven times for your sins.
LEV 26:29 ‘Further, you will eat the flesh of your sons and the flesh of your daughters you will eat.
LEV 26:30 ‘I then will destroy your high places, and cut down your incense altars, and heap your remains on the remains of your idols, for My soul shall abhor you.
LEV 26:31 ‘I will lay waste your cities as well and will make your sanctuaries desolate, and I will not smell your soothing aromas.
LEV 26:32 ‘I will make the land desolate so that your enemies who settle in it will be appalled over it.
LEV 26:33 ‘You, however, I will scatter among the nations and will draw out a sword after you, as your land becomes desolate and your cities become waste.
LEV 26:34 ‘ Then the land will enjoy its sabbaths all the days of the desolation, while you are in your enemies’ land; then the land will rest and enjoy its sabbaths.

LEV 26:40 ‘ If they confess their iniquity and the iniquity of their forefathers, in their unfaithfulness which they committed against Me, and also in their acting with hostility against Me—
LEV 26:41 I also was acting with hostility against them, to bring them into the land of their enemies— or if their uncircumcised heart becomes humbled so that they then make amends for their iniquity,
LEV 26:42 then I will remember My covenant with Jacob, and I will remember also My covenant with Isaac, and My covenant with Abraham as well, and I will remember the land.
LEV 26:43 ‘ For the land will be abandoned by them, and will make up for its sabbaths while it is made desolate without them. They, meanwhile, will be making amends for their iniquity, because they rejected My ordinances and their soul abhorred My statutes.
LEV 26:44 ‘Yet in spite of this, when they are in the land of their enemies, I will not reject them, nor will I so abhor them as to destroy them, breaking My covenant with them; for I am the LORD their God.
LEV 26:45 ‘But I will remember for them the covenant with their ancestors, whom I brought out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the nations, that I might be their God. I am the LORD.’

and the promise that God will remember them his the new covenant that Christ blood made with the lost sheep of Israel

LEV 26:38 ‘But you will perish among the nations, and your enemies’ land will consume you.
LEV 26:39 ‘ So those of you who may be left will rot away because of their iniquity in the lands of your enemies; and also because of the iniquities of their forefathers they will rot away with them.

this is the 70 AD final but left to each individual to turn to their God with a repented hearth in humility ;NOT A NATION

June 19, 2013 at 4:40 pm#348154

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Terra.

So why would God bring back the jews in 1948.
For what purpose?
Since you say; God is finish with the jews.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

1948 ended the dispersia of the Israelis as prophesied in Revelation 12:6.

1948 – 1260 = 688 A.D.

The abomination the causes desolation (dome of the rock) was
set up (where it aught not) on the temple Mt. in 688 A.D.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EDJ.

If the dome is the abomination of desplation.
1. Why is it standing there for more than 3/half years.
2. For no flesh shall be saved.Y/N?
3.The setting up of the dome is the sign of the great destruction,on this earth.Y/N?

THis earth is so far still standing;therefore the dome is *NOT* the abomination of desolation.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

How many times do I got to keep telling you the same thing over and over – until it registers?

1,260 days are REALLY prophetic years:

“I have appointed thee each day for a year” (Ezek 4:6)
“each day for a year” (Num 14:34)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EDJ.

Daniel 7:25 And **HE** shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: **AND THEY SHALL BE GIVEN INTO **HIS** HAND UNTILL A TIME, AND TIMES, AND THE DEVIDING OF TIME**.(3.5YEARS).(NOT 1260 YEARS).( IT THE SAME *HE* ALL ALONG).

THIS IS ERROR.****OR DO YOU NEED A DIFFERENT CALCULATION NOW****?
EASY; DEVIDE 1260 BY 3.5=360 YEARS FOR EACH TIME.
(WHAT HAPPENED TO A DAY FOR A YEAR NOW)??

DAN 11:45.And **HE** shall plant the tabernacles of **HIS** palace,
between the seas,and the glorious holy mountain;
yet **HE** shall come to his END,AND NONE SHALL HELP **HIM**.(ITS THE SAME *HE*,UNTILL HIS DEATH).
(WILL ANY KING LIVE 1260 YEARS)? FOR IT IS THE SAME **HE** ALL ALONG.(THE SAME PERSON).

FOR *HIS* DEATH WILL BE BY THE HAND OF THE LORD,AT THE COMING. KING OTTOMAN SETS UP THE DOME;
IS HE STILL ALIVE TODAY? NOPE. WILL HE BE ALIVE AT THE COMING? NOPE. HE IS NOT THE SAME HE;AND THEREFORE NOT THE DOME.

WHERE IS LOGIC?
THE KING WILL SET UP HIS TEMPLE, AND KILLED 1260YEARS LATER??

wakeup.

June 19, 2013 at 7:31 pm#348157

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Hi Wakeup, (we have been through this before, remember? Link)

Prophecy is given as “a Day for a Year”,
*AND*
“a time” is given as a thousand years.
(time, times and a half is 2,500 yrs)

WATCH THE VIDEO

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

June 19, 2013 at 7:58 pm#348159

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Hi Wakeup,

“Day”, in 2Peter 3:8, more correctly translates as “TIME”.

“But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that
one ~~day~~(time) [is] with the Lord as a thousand years,
and a thousand years as one ~~day~~(time).” (2Peter 3:8)

Here is the definition of (ημερα hémera) the Greek word translated as “day”:

Day: ημερα (hémera):
Feminine (with hora implied) of a derivative of hemai (to sit; akin to the base of hedraios) meaning tame,
i.e. Gentle; day, i.e. (literally) the time space between dawn and dark, or the whole aganaktesis hours
(but several days were usually reckoned by the Jews as inclusive of the parts of both extremes);
figuratively, a period-of time (always defined more or less clearly by the context)
— age, + alway, (mid-)day (by day, (-ly)), + for ever, judgment, (day) time, while, years.

Luke 9:51
Luke 21:37
Acts 8:11
2Peter 2:13
Also, in these verses (the same word translated as “day”) ημερα hémera
*IS* clearly translated as “TIME” instead!
“Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.” (1 Thess 5:21)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

June 19, 2013 at 8:06 pm#348160

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“When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then
cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart.” (Matt 13:19)

June 19, 2013 at 8:52 pm#348161

abe

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Hi Abe,

Rom.8:14 For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, “Abba! Father!”

23And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for [our] adoption as sons, the redemption of our body.

We are waiting for our adoption. It will be finalised at the 2nd coming who is adopted and who is not. We do not choose who Christ accepts, but walk in that same spirit as Christ that gives us hope to be chosen.

19For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God.

Yes we have the first fruits of the spirit. That's what the scriptures say. The gentiles who believe will be grafted into the family of Israel. They become spiritual Israel, and the first ones to be reborn at the 2nd coming of Christ. (changed in a twinkling of an eye), whilst Israel who are the natural branches, have had their eyes covered all this time, so that the gentiles can come in. God has orchestrated this. He let them go on purpose, not using his spirit to draw them back now, but will bring Israel in again when the kingdom is set up physically. He will not take all of them, only the reserved. Abraham and Isaac will be there, and Job, and the prophets also etc, but in the flesh.

Hi J42,

Zech.9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he [is] just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

10And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak Peace unto the heathen: and his dominion [shall be] From sea [even] to sea, and From the river [even] to the Ends of the earth.

11 As for THEE also, by the blood of thy covenant I have sent forth thy Prisoners Out Of the pit wherein [is] no water.

12Turn you to the strong hold, ye prisoners of Hope: even to day do I declare [that] I will render double(copy) unto thee;

Matt.21:1 When they had approached Jerusalem and had come to Bethphage, at the Mount of Olives, then Jesus sent two disciples, 2saying to them, “Go into the village opposite you, and immediately you will find a donkey tied [there] and a colt with her; untie them and bring them to Me. 3″If anyone says anything to you, you shall say, 'The Lord has need of them,' and immediately he will send them.” 4This took place to FULFILL what was spoken through the prophet:

5″SAY TO THE DAUGHTER OF ZION, 'BEHOLD YOUR KING IS COMING TO YOU, GENTLE, AND MOUNTED ON A DONKEY, EVEN ON A COLT, THE FOAL OF A BEAST OF BURDEN.'”

6The disciples went and did just as Jesus had instructed them, 7and brought the donkey and the colt, and laid their coats on them; and He sat on the coats. 8Most of the crowd spread their coats in the road, and others were cutting branches from the trees and spreading them in the road.

9The crowds going ahead of Him, and those who followed, were shouting, “Hosanna to the Son of David; BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD; Hosanna in the highest!”

10When He had entered Jerusalem, all the city was stirred, saying, “Who is this?” 11And the crowds were saying, “This is the prophet Jesus, from Nazareth in Galilee.”

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He let them go on purpose, not using his spirit to draw them back now,

Heb.6:13 For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself, 14 Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee.
15 And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.

And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.

Peace sister…..

June 19, 2013 at 11:14 pm#348170

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Quote (journey42 @ June 18 2013,17:47)

Hi Abe,

19For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God.

Hi J42,

11 As for THEE also, by the blood of thy covenant I have sent forth thy Prisoners Out Of the pit wherein [is] no water.

12Turn you to the strong hold, ye prisoners of Hope: even to day do I declare [that] I will render double(copy) unto thee;

5″SAY TO THE DAUGHTER OF ZION, 'BEHOLD YOUR KING IS COMING TO YOU, GENTLE, AND MOUNTED ON A DONKEY, EVEN ON A COLT, THE FOAL OF A BEAST OF BURDEN.'”

9The crowds going ahead of Him, and those who followed, were shouting, “Hosanna to the Son of David; BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD; Hosanna in the highest!”

10When He had entered Jerusalem, all the city was stirred, saying, “Who is this?” 11And the crowds were saying, “This is the prophet Jesus, from Nazareth in Galilee.”

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He let them go on purpose, not using his spirit to draw them back now,

And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.

Peace sister…..

Abe.

NOTICE;ZECH. IS A PROPHECY BEFORE CHRIST:

**THE ABOVE PROPHECY IS FULFILLED**:

**THE ABOVE PROPHECY IS FUTURE**:

QUOTE:
11 As for THEE also, by the blood of thy covenant I have sent forth thy Prisoners Out Of the pit wherein [is] no water.

12Turn you to the strong hold, ye prisoners of Hope: even to day do I declare [that] I will render double(copy) unto thee;UNQUOTE:

**THE PROPHECY ABOVE IS FUTURE**.

**PROPHECY ABOVE IS FULFILLED**.

QUOTE:
5″SAY TO THE DAUGHTER OF ZION, 'BEHOLD YOUR KING IS COMING TO YOU, GENTLE, AND MOUNTED ON A DONKEY, EVEN ON A COLT, THE FOAL OF A BEAST OF BURDEN.'”UNQUOTE:

**PROPHECY ABOVE IS FULFILLED**.

QUOTE:
6The disciples went and did just as Jesus had instructed them, 7and brought the donkey and the colt, and laid their coats on them; and He sat on the coats. 8Most of the crowd spread their coats in the road, and others were cutting branches from the trees and spreading them in the road.

9The crowds going ahead of Him, and those who followed, were shouting, “Hosanna to the Son of David; BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD; Hosanna in the highest!”UNQUOTE:

**SCRIPTURES ABOVE ARE PAST HAPPENINGS**.

QUOTE:
10When He had entered Jerusalem, all the city was stirred, saying, “Who is this?” 11And the crowds were saying, “This is the prophet Jesus, from Nazareth in Galilee.”
UNQUOTE:

**SCRIPTURE ABOVE HAS ALSO HAPPENED**.

QUOTE:
Heb.6:13 For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself, 14 Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee.
15 And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.UNQUOTE:

And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.UNQUOTE:

**THIS PROMISE WAS FULFILLED,WHEN ISAAC WAS BORN.
AND WE ALSO GO BY ISAAC**.
**WE; TRUE BELIEVERS WILL BE BORN BY PROMISE ALSO**.

wakeup.

June 19, 2013 at 11:35 pm#348172

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devo

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The original would be the one that was God breathed and the other one may also be God breathed.

their are only two groups ONE DESTINE TO HEAVEN AND THE OTHER ONE DESTINE TO THE EARTH ;but both have to accept Christ, first and last is only applied to be entering in the kingdom ,

the Jews of after 70 AD are totally rejected by God and so have received his wrath ,as it was foretold by him in scriptures as I have shown you previously ,

June 20, 2013 at 2:16 am#348186

abe

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Hi Abe,

19For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God.

Hi J42,

11 As for THEE also, by the blood of thy covenant I have sent forth thy Prisoners Out Of the pit wherein [is] no water.

12Turn you to the strong hold, ye prisoners of Hope: even to day do I declare [that] I will render double(copy) unto thee;

5″SAY TO THE DAUGHTER OF ZION, 'BEHOLD YOUR KING IS COMING TO YOU, GENTLE, AND MOUNTED ON A DONKEY, EVEN ON A COLT, THE FOAL OF A BEAST OF BURDEN.'”

9The crowds going ahead of Him, and those who followed, were shouting, “Hosanna to the Son of David; BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD; Hosanna in the highest!”

10When He had entered Jerusalem, all the city was stirred, saying, “Who is this?” 11And the crowds were saying, “This is the prophet Jesus, from Nazareth in Galilee.”

(Quote)
He let them go on purpose, not using his spirit to draw them back now,

And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.

Peace sister…..

Abe.

NOTICE;ZECH. IS A PROPHECY BEFORE CHRIST:

**THE ABOVE PROPHECY IS FULFILLED**:

**THE ABOVE PROPHECY IS FUTURE**:

QUOTE:
11 As for THEE also, by the blood of thy covenant I have sent forth thy Prisoners Out Of the pit wherein [is] no water.

12Turn you to the strong hold, ye prisoners of Hope: even to day do I declare [that] I will render double(copy) unto thee;UNQUOTE:

**THE PROPHECY ABOVE IS FUTURE**.

**PROPHECY ABOVE IS FULFILLED**.

QUOTE:
5″SAY TO THE DAUGHTER OF ZION, 'BEHOLD YOUR KING IS COMING TO YOU, GENTLE, AND MOUNTED ON A DONKEY, EVEN ON A COLT, THE FOAL OF A BEAST OF BURDEN.'”UNQUOTE:

**PROPHECY ABOVE IS FULFILLED**.

9The crowds going ahead of Him, and those who followed, were shouting, “Hosanna to the Son of David; BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD; Hosanna in the highest!”UNQUOTE:

**SCRIPTURES ABOVE ARE PAST HAPPENINGS**.

QUOTE:
10When He had entered Jerusalem, all the city was stirred, saying, “Who is this?” 11And the crowds were saying, “This is the prophet Jesus, from Nazareth in Galilee.”
UNQUOTE:

**SCRIPTURE ABOVE HAS ALSO HAPPENED**.

And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.UNQUOTE:

**THIS PROMISE WAS FULFILLED,WHEN ISAAC WAS BORN.
AND WE ALSO GO BY ISAAC**.
**WE; TRUE BELIEVERS WILL BE BORN BY PROMISE ALS
O**.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.

**THIS PROMISE WAS FULFILLED,WHEN ISAAC WAS BORN.
AND WE ALSO GO BY ISAAC**.
**WE; TRUE BELIEVERS WILL BE BORN BY PROMISE ALSO**

Heb.11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should later receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing where he went.
9 By faith he sojourned in the land of Promise, as in a foreign land, dwelling in tents WITH Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same Promise:
10 For he looked for a city which has foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had Promised.
12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the seashore innumerable.
13 These all died in faith, NOT having received the Promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and exiles on the earth.

(Quote)
**THIS PROMISE WAS FULFILLED,WHEN ISAAC WAS BORN.
AND WE ALSO GO BY ISAAC**.
**WE; TRUE BELIEVERS WILL BE BORN BY PROMISE ALSO**

Will Be?

Jesus Christ Died for Nothing?

Peace……………..

June 20, 2013 at 8:26 am#348207

Participant

Quote (abe @ June 20 2013,13:16)

Quote (Wakeup @ June 19 2013,15:14)

Quote (abe @ June 20 2013,07:52)

Quote (journey42 @ June 18 2013,17:47)

Hi Abe,

19For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God.

Hi J42,

11 As for THEE also, by the blood of thy covenant I have sent forth thy Prisoners Out Of the pit wherein [is] no water.

12Turn you to the strong hold, ye prisoners of Hope: even to day do I declare [that] I will render double(copy) unto thee;

5″SAY TO THE DAUGHTER OF ZION, 'BEHOLD YOUR KING IS COMING TO YOU, GENTLE, AND MOUNTED ON A DONKEY, EVEN ON A COLT, THE FOAL OF A BEAST OF BURDEN.'”

9The crowds going ahead of Him, and those who followed, were shouting, “Hosanna to the Son of David; BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD; Hosanna in the highest!”

10When He had entered Jerusalem, all the city was stirred, saying, “Who is this?” 11And the crowds were saying, “This is the prophet Jesus, from Nazareth in Galilee.”

(Quote)
He let them go on purpose, not using his spirit to draw them back now,

And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.

Peace sister…..

Abe.

NOTICE;ZECH. IS A PROPHECY BEFORE CHRIST:

**THE ABOVE PROPHECY IS FULFILLED**:

**THE ABOVE PROPHECY IS FUTURE**:

QUOTE:
11 As for THEE also, by the blood of thy covenant I have sent forth thy Prisoners Out Of the pit wherein [is] no water.

12Turn you to the strong hold, ye prisoners of Hope: even to day do I declare [that] I will render double(copy) unto thee;UNQUOTE:

**THE PROPHECY ABOVE IS FUTURE**.

**PROPHECY ABOVE IS FULFILLED**.

QUOTE:
5″SAY TO THE DAUGHTER OF ZION, 'BEHOLD YOUR KING IS COMING TO YOU, GENTLE, AND MOUNTED ON A DONKEY, EVEN ON A COLT, THE FOAL OF A BEAST OF BURDEN.'”UNQUOTE:

**PROPHECY ABOVE IS FULFILLED**.

9The crowds going ahead of Him, and those who followed, were shouting, “Hosanna to the Son of David; BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD; Hosanna in the highest!”UNQUOTE:

**SCRIPTURES ABOVE ARE PAST HAPPENINGS**.

QUOTE:
10When He had entered Jerusalem, all the city was stirred, saying, “Who is this?” 11And the crowds were saying, “This is the prophet Jesus, from Nazareth in Galilee.”
UNQUOTE:

**SCRIPTURE ABOVE HAS ALSO HAPPENED**.

And s
o, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.UNQUOTE:

**THIS PROMISE WAS FULFILLED,WHEN ISAAC WAS BORN.
AND WE ALSO GO BY ISAAC**.
**WE; TRUE BELIEVERS WILL BE BORN BY PROMISE ALSO**.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.

**THIS PROMISE WAS FULFILLED,WHEN ISAAC WAS BORN.
AND WE ALSO GO BY ISAAC**.
**WE; TRUE BELIEVERS WILL BE BORN BY PROMISE ALSO**

(Quote)
**THIS PROMISE WAS FULFILLED,WHEN ISAAC WAS BORN.
AND WE ALSO GO BY ISAAC**.
**WE; TRUE BELIEVERS WILL BE BORN BY PROMISE ALSO**

Will Be?

Jesus Christ Died for Nothing?

Peace……………..

Abe.

Yes Abe;*will be*.

We will be *BORN AGAIN*; *QUICKENED*,
We will be changed into *SPIRIT*. we will be born of the spirit,therefore we will be spirit. Who is born of the flesh, is flesh;who is born of the spirit, is spirit.
At he resurrection ;*AS PROMISED*.

Jesus did not die for nothing;he was the first one made spirit.
You seem to have undersstanding regarding the millennium;
and the reserve of the jews; good one.

wakeup

June 20, 2013 at 9:45 am#348211

journey42

Participant

What happened that was so spectacular in Jerusalem since 1948? I am still waiting for the answer.

You say it was when Israel was given their own land back. Israel was not born then, only gathered, for they already existed. What has come out of Jerusalem today that is so wonderful since 1948?

June 20, 2013 at 1:15 pm#348220

Participant

Quote (journey42 @ June 20 2013,20:45)

What happened that was so spectacular in Jerusalem since 1948? I am still waiting for the answer.

You say it was when Israel was given their own land back. Israel was not born then, only gathered, for they already existed. What has come out of Jerusalem today that is so wonderful since 1948?

Hi Journey42,

You ask questions, but do not pay attention to the answer.

Quote (Ed J @ June 17 2013,20:27)

Hi Journey42,

What was so spectacular was that God had brought the people of Israel back to their own land.
“Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be
made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once?” (Isaiah 66:8)

God bless
Ed J

Quote (Ed J @ June 19 2013,12:54)

Hi Wakeup,

1948 ended the dispersia of the Israelis as prophesied in Revelation 12:6.

1948 – 1260 = 688 A.D.

The abomination the causes desolation (dome of the rock) was
set up (where it aught not) on the temple Mt. in 688 A.D.

God bless
Ed J

June 20, 2013 at 4:16 pm#348225

Participant

edj

Quote

Quote (Ed J @ June 19 2013,12:54)
Hi Wakeup,

1948 ended the dispersia of the Israelis as prophesied in Revelation 12:6.

1948 – 1260 = 688 A.D.

The abomination the causes desolation (dome of the rock) was
set up (where it aught not) on the temple Mt. in 688 A.D.

God bless
Ed J

how is that the Romans could build a temple to their gods on the area of the temple of Jerusalem what they had flaten ,but you seem not regarded as important only when 600 years later Islam put the doom of the rock on it (?) strange tinking

June 21, 2013 at 12:21 am#348263

journey42

Participant

Quote

“Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be
made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once?” (Isaiah 66:8)

Isaiah 66:7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.

Isaiah 66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who, hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

Isaiah 66:9 Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God.

Isaiah 66:10 Rejoice ye with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all ye that love her: rejoice for joy with her, all ye that mourn for her.

Isaiah 66:11 That ye may suck, and be saitsfied with the breasts of her consolations; that ye may milk out, and be delighted with the abundance of her glory.

Isaiah 66:12 For thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will extend peace to her like a river, and the glory of the gentiles like a flowing stream: then shall ye suck, ye shall be borne upon her sides, and be dandled upon her knees.

Isaiah 66:13 As one whom his mother comforteth, so will I comfort you; and ye shall be comforted in Jerusalem.

Isaiah 66:14 And when ye see this, your heart shall rejoice, and your bones shall flourish like an herb: and the hand of the LORD shall be known toward his servants, and his indignation toward his enemies.

Isaiah 66:15 For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Isaiah 66:16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.

Ed,
You cannot seriously say that these things have happened already? This scripture has nothing to do with 1948.
“The Lord will come wih fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire”
“The slain of the Lord shall be many”
Obviously, this time frame is around the 2nd coming of Christ and not in 1948 as you are preaching. Therefore you are preaching error.

June 21, 2013 at 1:17 pm#348331