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  • #347951
    Wakeup
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    Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2013,02:15)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 16 2013,04:45)

    Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2013,05:05)

    Quote (Devolution @ June 16 2013,04:59)
    Please pay attention to the key words:

    Zechariah 2:12  “And the Lord shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land and shall choose Jerusalem again

    This coming kingdom EdJ.


    Hi Devolution,

    This occurred in on May 14, 1948.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EDJ.

    1948, israel *TODAY* has been gatered by God,but only to be *hunted down by his enemies*.
    Because this is just the **FIRST GATHERING**.

    The **SECOND GATHERING** will be also in israel,but in the 1000yr reign. This *ALL* have failed to see.
    All jews from the past WILL BE **BROUGHT BACK**,BY CHOICE,
    IN THE KINGDOM,WHERE THE SAINTS WILL RULE.

    THE FIRST IS FULFILLED;THE SECOND IS COMING.

    wakeup.


    Quote
    1948, israel *TODAY* has been gatered by God,but only to be *hunted down by his enemies*.
    Because this is just the **FIRST GATHERING**.

    this is the greatest deceit that i know of ;how can a nation that reject God become now a principal key in events to come ???

    did the full destruction of the temple in Jerusalem in 70 ad ,mean nothing to you guys ???

    was not the true gathering started when Christ came ??? and is still going on until the end of this age,is this not what Christ said ??? yes

    are not the true Israelite the ones that are in Christ and worship God in spirit and truth ??? yes according to Christ ,


    Terra.

    Romans 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a **wild olive** tree, wert **graffed in** among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

    Romans 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is **wild by nature**, and wert **graffed** contrary to nature into a good olive tree: ***HOW MUCH MORE SHALL THESE, WHICH BE THE** **NATURAL BRANCHES**, be graffed into their **own olive tree**?

    THE WILD OLIVE BRANCHES ARE *THE GENTILES*,GRAFTED INTO THE THE *NATURAL* TREE.

    THE *NATURAL* OLIVE BRANCHES,ARE THE *JEWS*,GRAFTED BACK INTO THE *NATURAL* OLIVE TREE.
    ***HOW MUCH MORE*** SHALL THESE BE ***WHEN GRAFTED INTO THE NATURAL TREE***?

    THE JEWS WILL BE GRAFTED BACK TO THE NATURAL OLIVE TREE,AND THEY WILL BE VERY GREAT.

    The destruction of the temple in 70 ad. is a punishment for
    crucifying their messiah. thats past; done; gone.

    There is no such as *true* gatherings to worship today;for all have gone their own way.

    But there is the *first* gathering of the jews only;wich already happened in 1948.Which is Israel today.

    So there must be a *second* gathering of *the jews*;which is to come.
    This would be when the *natural olive* branches will be grafted *back into* the natural olive tree.

    This would be in the 1000yr kingdom;when Christ and the saints will rule. There will be no tears, and no pain, and no more sorrow. And all will know the truth.

    ***Christ did not come to gather;but to divide.
    Brother against sister,and mother gainst father,
    parents against children***.

    All these years; the gatherings to worship, are like *dirty rags* in Gods eyes. Only a small flock are worshipping in truth.
    True and clean worship, will only happen when Christ rules in his kingdom.

    **CHRIST AND SATAN** ARE NOT RULING SIDE BY SIDE NOW,OR EVER.

    wakeup.

    #348005
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 18 2013,03:51)

    Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2013,02:15)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 16 2013,04:45)

    Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2013,05:05)

    Quote (Devolution @ June 16 2013,04:59)
    Please pay attention to the key words:

    Zechariah 2:12  “And the Lord shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land and shall choose Jerusalem again

    This coming kingdom EdJ.


    Hi Devolution,

    This occurred in on May 14, 1948.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EDJ.

    1948, israel *TODAY* has been gatered by God,but only to be *hunted down by his enemies*.
    Because this is just the **FIRST GATHERING**.

    The **SECOND GATHERING** will be also in israel,but in the 1000yr reign. This *ALL* have failed to see.
    All jews from the past WILL BE **BROUGHT BACK**,BY CHOICE,
    IN THE KINGDOM,WHERE THE SAINTS WILL RULE.

    THE FIRST IS FULFILLED;THE SECOND IS COMING.

    wakeup.


    Quote
    1948, israel *TODAY* has been gatered by God,but only to be *hunted down by his enemies*.
    Because this is just the **FIRST GATHERING**.

    this is the greatest deceit that i know of ;how can a nation that reject God become now a principal key in events to come ???

    did the full destruction of the temple in Jerusalem in 70 ad ,mean nothing to you guys ???

    was not the true gathering started when Christ came ??? and is still going on until the end of this age,is this not what Christ said ??? yes

    are not the true Israelite the ones that are in Christ and worship God in spirit and truth ??? yes according to Christ ,


    Terra.

    Romans 11:17   And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a **wild olive** tree, wert **graffed in** among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

     Romans 11:24   For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is **wild by nature**, and wert **graffed** contrary to nature into a good olive tree:  ***HOW MUCH MORE SHALL THESE, WHICH BE THE** **NATURAL BRANCHES**, be graffed into their **own olive tree**?

    THE WILD OLIVE BRANCHES ARE *THE GENTILES*,GRAFTED INTO THE THE *NATURAL* TREE.

    THE *NATURAL* OLIVE BRANCHES,ARE THE *JEWS*,GRAFTED BACK INTO THE *NATURAL* OLIVE TREE.
    ***HOW MUCH MORE*** SHALL THESE BE ***WHEN GRAFTED INTO THE NATURAL TREE***?

    THE JEWS WILL BE GRAFTED BACK TO THE NATURAL OLIVE TREE,AND THEY WILL BE VERY GREAT.

    The destruction of the temple in 70 ad. is a punishment for
    crucifying their messiah. thats past; done; gone.

    There is no such as *true* gatherings to worship today;for all have gone their own way.

    But there is the *first* gathering of the jews only;wich already happened in 1948.Which is Israel today.

    So there must be a *second* gathering of *the jews*;which is to come.
    This would be when the *natural olive* branches will be grafted *back into* the natural olive tree.

    This would be in the 1000yr kingdom;when Christ and the saints will rule. There will be no tears, and no pain, and no more sorrow.  And all will know the truth.

    ***Christ did not come to gather;but to divide.
    Brother against sister,and mother gainst father,
    parents against children***.

    All these years; the gatherings to worship, are like *dirty rags* in Gods eyes. Only a small flock are worshipping in truth.
    True and clean worship, will only happen when Christ rules in his kingdom.

    **CHRIST AND SATAN** ARE NOT RULING SIDE BY SIDE NOW,OR EVER.

    wakeup.


    wakeup

    i will say it one last time ;an nation that does not want Jehovah God to rule over them CANNOT BE A CHOSEN NATION,Christ came to gather the what was lost for his kingdom the heavenly Israel and the city of God Jerusalem,

    the flesh is no longer the guideline to God but it is the spirit of truth towards God ,

    the world is going on with Satan cast into its surroundings,but Christ is the one that received all the powers on earth and in heaven ;this means that Satan as lost all his powers ,but he his loaded with anger and will take as many as he can with him ,by all his wicked means ,

    #348036
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2013,13:23)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 18 2013,03:51)

    Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2013,02:15)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 16 2013,04:45)

    Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2013,05:05)

    Quote (Devolution @ June 16 2013,04:59)
    Please pay attention to the key words:

    Zechariah 2:12  “And the Lord shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land and shall choose Jerusalem again

    This coming kingdom EdJ.


    Hi Devolution,

    This occurred in on May 14, 1948.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EDJ.

    1948, israel *TODAY* has been gatered by God,but only to be *hunted down by his enemies*.
    Because this is just the **FIRST GATHERING**.

    The **SECOND GATHERING** will be also in israel,but in the 1000yr reign. This *ALL* have failed to see.
    All jews from the past WILL BE **BROUGHT BACK**,BY CHOICE,
    IN THE KINGDOM,WHERE THE SAINTS WILL RULE.

    THE FIRST IS FULFILLED;THE SECOND IS COMING.

    wakeup.


    Quote
    1948, israel *TODAY* has been gatered by God,but only to be *hunted down by his enemies*.
    Because this is just the **FIRST GATHERING**.

    this is the greatest deceit that i know of ;how can a nation that reject God become now a principal key in events to come ???

    did the full destruction of the temple in Jerusalem in 70 ad ,mean nothing to you guys ???

    was not the true gathering started when Christ came ??? and is still going on until the end of this age,is this not what Christ said ??? yes

    are not the true Israelite the ones that are in Christ and worship God in spirit and truth ??? yes according to Christ ,


    Terra.

    Romans 11:17   And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a **wild olive** tree, wert **graffed in** among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

     Romans 11:24   For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is **wild by nature**, and wert **graffed** contrary to nature into a good olive tree:  ***HOW MUCH MORE SHALL THESE, WHICH BE THE** **NATURAL BRANCHES**, be graffed into their **own olive tree**?

    THE WILD OLIVE BRANCHES ARE *THE GENTILES*,GRAFTED INTO THE THE *NATURAL* TREE.

    THE *NATURAL* OLIVE BRANCHES,ARE THE *JEWS*,GRAFTED BACK INTO THE *NATURAL* OLIVE TREE.
    ***HOW MUCH MORE*** SHALL THESE BE ***WHEN GRAFTED INTO THE NATURAL TREE***?

    THE JEWS WILL BE GRAFTED BACK TO THE NATURAL OLIVE TREE,AND THEY WILL BE VERY GREAT.

    The destruction of the temple in 70 ad. is a punishment for
    crucifying their messiah. thats past; done; gone.

    There is no such as *true* gatherings to worship today;for all have gone their own way.

    But there is the *first* gathering of the jews only;wich already happened in 1948.Which is Israel today.

    So there must be a *second* gathering of *the jews*;which is to come.
    This would be when the *natural olive* branches will be grafted *back into* the natural olive tree.

    This would be in the 1000yr kingdom;when Christ and the saints will rule. There will be no tears, and no pain, and no more sorrow.  And all will know the truth.

    ***Christ did not come to gather;but to divide.
    Brother against sister,and mother gainst father,
    parents against children***.

    All these years; the gatherings to worship, are like *dirty rags* in Gods eyes. Only a small flock are worshipping in truth.
    True and clean worship, will only happen when Christ rules in his kingdom.

    **CHRIST AND SATAN** ARE NOT RULING SIDE BY SIDE NOW,OR EVER.

    wakeup.


    wakeup

    i will say it one last time ;an nation that does not want Jehovah God to rule over them CANNOT BE A CHOSEN NATION,Christ came to gather the what was lost for his kingdom the heavenly Israel and the city of God Jerusalem,

    the flesh is no longer the guideline to God but it is the spirit of truth towards God ,

    the world is going on with Satan cast into its surroundings,but Christ is the one that received all the powers on earth and in heaven ;this means that Satan as lost all his powers ,but he his loaded with anger  and will take as many as he can with him ,by all his wicked means ,


    Terra.

    So you dont believe that the natural olive branches will be grafted back on again?
    So God is finished with the jews;is that it?
    He is only dealing with the spiritual jews.

    Can you explain Ez.37 then?

    wakeup.

    #348042
    journey42
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ June 17 2013,20:27)

    Quote
    Hi Journey42,

    What was so spectacular was that God had brought the people of Israel back to their own land.
    “Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be
     made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once?” (Isaiah 66:8)


    Hi Ed

    Isaiah 66:7   Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child. (That man child was Jesus Christ.  BEFORE she travailed, Zion, the woman.  She must travail AFTER his departure, and the labour pains are most intent before the birth)

    Isaiah 66:8   Who hath heard such a thing? who, hath seen such things?  Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children. (The woman, spiritual Zion will give …BIRTH.. to her children, the resurrected saints, only after she has travailed.  Not during, not before but AFTER.  Israel is already a nation created by God, but have never known Zion.  They do not get “re-born” but will be revived in the flesh.  Only saints get reborn.  Israel will be joined together with the saints, living under Zion's rules.  Serving the same king, in the same kingdom, in the same land chosen from the beginning. Jerusalem will be the headquarters. Holy Jerusalem.)

    Isaiah 66:9   Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God. (When the saints are re-born at the 2nd coming, it does not stop there.  The womb is not closed, but producing more children.  This is Israel and the gentiles outside the kingdom whom acknowledge)

    Isaiah 66:10   Rejoice ye with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all ye that love her: rejoice for joy with her, all ye that mourn for her. (This is holy Jerusalem to come.  Not Jerusalem now.  The saints are all waiting for her to come.  The Jews know nothing about it according to the scriptures.)

    Isaiah 66:11   That ye may suck, and be saitsfied with the breasts of her consolations; that ye may milk out, and be delighted with the abundance of her glory. (Her glory is going to be spectacular Ed!.  In abundance.  All will see)

    Isaiah 66:12   For thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will extend peace to her like a river, and the glory of the gentiles like a flowing stream: then shall ye suck, ye shall be borne upon her sides, and be dandled upon her knees. (All shall FEED on her, and be protected by her)

    Isaiah 66:13   As one whom his mother comforteth, so will I comfort you; and ye shall be comforted in Jerusalem. (Israel will be comforted, because they have just come from war and total devastation)

    Isaiah 66:14   And when ye see this, your heart shall rejoice, and your bones shall flourish like an herb: and the hand of the LORD shall be known toward his servants, and his indignation toward his enemies.

    Isaiah 66:15   For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. (All this will be happening at the birth of the resurrected saints, not in 1948)

    Isaiah 66:16   For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many. (again, this did not all happen in 1948)

    #348051
    abe
    Participant

    Hi J42,

    (QUOTE)
    Isaiah 66:15 For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. (All this will be happening at the birth of the resurrected saints, not in 1948)

    Rom.8:14 For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, “Abba! Father!” 16The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God, 17and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with [Him] so that we may also be glorified with [Him].

    18For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us. 19For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God. 20For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. 23And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for [our] adoption as sons, the redemption of our body.

    23And not only this, but also we ourselves, Having the First Fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for [our] adoption as sons, the redemption of our body.

    We have the First Fruits of the Spirit.

    Peace sister…

    #348059
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 18 2013,14:28)

    Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2013,13:23)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 18 2013,03:51)

    Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2013,02:15)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 16 2013,04:45)

    Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2013,05:05)

    Quote (Devolution @ June 16 2013,04:59)
    Please pay attention to the key words:

    Zechariah 2:12  “And the Lord shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land and shall choose Jerusalem again

    This coming kingdom EdJ.


    Hi Devolution,

    This occurred in on May 14, 1948.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EDJ.

    1948, israel *TODAY* has been gatered by God,but only to be *hunted down by his enemies*.
    Because this is just the **FIRST GATHERING**.

    The **SECOND GATHERING** will be also in israel,but in the 1000yr reign. This *ALL* have failed to see.
    All jews from the past WILL BE **BROUGHT BACK**,BY CHOICE,
    IN THE KINGDOM,WHERE THE SAINTS WILL RULE.

    THE FIRST IS FULFILLED;THE SECOND IS COMING.

    wakeup.


    Quote
    1948, israel *TODAY* has been gatered by God,but only to be *hunted down by his enemies*.
    Because this is just the **FIRST GATHERING**.

    this is the greatest deceit that i know of ;how can a nation that reject God become now a principal key in events to come ???

    did the full destruction of the temple in Jerusalem in 70 ad ,mean nothing to you guys ???

    was not the true gathering started when Christ came ??? and is still going on until the end of this age,is this not what Christ said ??? yes

    are not the true Israelite the ones that are in Christ and worship God in spirit and truth ??? yes according to Christ ,


    Terra.

    Romans 11:17   And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a **wild olive** tree, wert **graffed in** among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

     Romans 11:24   For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is **wild by nature**, and wert **graffed** contrary to nature into a good olive tree:  ***HOW MUCH MORE SHALL THESE, WHICH BE THE** **NATURAL BRANCHES**, be graffed into their **own olive tree**?

    THE WILD OLIVE BRANCHES ARE *THE GENTILES*,GRAFTED INTO THE THE *NATURAL* TREE.

    THE *NATURAL* OLIVE BRANCHES,ARE THE *JEWS*,GRAFTED BACK INTO THE *NATURAL* OLIVE TREE.
    ***HOW MUCH MORE*** SHALL THESE BE ***WHEN GRAFTED INTO THE NATURAL TREE***?

    THE JEWS WILL BE GRAFTED BACK TO THE NATURAL OLIVE TREE,AND THEY WILL BE VERY GREAT.

    The destruction of the temple in 70 ad. is a punishment for
    crucifying their messiah. thats past; done; gone.

    There is no such as *true* gatherings to worship today;for all have gone their own way.

    But there is the *first* gathering of the jews only;wich already happened in 1948.Which is Israel today.

    So there must be a *second* gathering of *the jews*;which is to come.
    This would be when the *natural olive* branches will be grafted *back into* the natural olive tree.

    This would be in the 1000yr kingdom;when Christ and the saints will rule. There will be no tears, and no pain, and no more sorrow.  And all will know the truth.

    ***Christ did not come to gather;but to divide.
    Brother against sister,and mother gainst father,
    parents against children***.

    All these years; the gatherings to worship, are like *dirty rags* in Gods eyes. Only a small flock are worshipping in truth.
    True and clean worship, will only happen when Christ rules in his kingdom.

    **CHRIST AND SATAN** ARE NOT RULING SIDE BY SIDE NOW,OR EVER.

    wakeup.


    wakeup

    i will say it one last time ;an nation that does not want Jehovah God to rule over them CANNOT BE A CHOSEN NATION,Christ came to gather the what was lost for his kingdom the heavenly Israel and the city of God Jerusalem,

    the flesh is no longer the guideline to God but it is the spirit of truth towards God ,

    the world is going on with Satan cast into its surroundings,but Christ is the one that received all the powers on earth and in heaven ;this means that Satan as lost all his powers ,but he his loaded with anger  and will take as many as he can with him ,by all his wicked means ,


    Terra.

    So you dont believe that the natural olive branches will be grafted back on again?
    So God is finished with the jews;is that it?
    He is only dealing with the spiritual jews.

    Can you explain Ez.37 then?

    wakeup.


    WAKEUP

    as soon that the wild graph is needed or is used to compensate for what the natural cannot supply ,it means that the natural as dried out and so do no longer produced what is his and so it is given to others,

    yes the Jews are welcome if they accept Christ and follow Jesus,and his disciples,and their teachings ,just like the gentiles,

     ONLY THE MISSING TO COMPLETE THE NUMBER OF 144K ARE GRAFTED ALL OTHER ARE OF THE GREAT CROWD AND OF ALL NATIONS INCLUDING Israel OF TODAY AND OF ALWAYS,
    TO ME THE 144K ARE THE PRIEST (JUSTICE AND TRUTH)THAT WILL BE JUDGES AND RULERS UNDER CHRIST FOR THE KINGDOM ,THOSE RE
    PRESENT Jerusalem,AND ALL THE OTHERS (GREAT CROWD ) ARE THE NEW ISRAEL  (A PEOPLE FOR GOD'S NAME)

    #348095
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ June 19 2013,06:57)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 18 2013,14:28)

    Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2013,13:23)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 18 2013,03:51)

    Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2013,02:15)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 16 2013,04:45)

    Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2013,05:05)

    Quote (Devolution @ June 16 2013,04:59)
    Please pay attention to the key words:

    Zechariah 2:12  “And the Lord shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land and shall choose Jerusalem again

    This coming kingdom EdJ.


    Hi Devolution,

    This occurred in on May 14, 1948.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EDJ.

    1948, israel *TODAY* has been gatered by God,but only to be *hunted down by his enemies*.
    Because this is just the **FIRST GATHERING**.

    The **SECOND GATHERING** will be also in israel,but in the 1000yr reign. This *ALL* have failed to see.
    All jews from the past WILL BE **BROUGHT BACK**,BY CHOICE,
    IN THE KINGDOM,WHERE THE SAINTS WILL RULE.

    THE FIRST IS FULFILLED;THE SECOND IS COMING.

    wakeup.


    Quote
    1948, israel *TODAY* has been gatered by God,but only to be *hunted down by his enemies*.
    Because this is just the **FIRST GATHERING**.

    this is the greatest deceit that i know of ;how can a nation that reject God become now a principal key in events to come ???

    did the full destruction of the temple in Jerusalem in 70 ad ,mean nothing to you guys ???

    was not the true gathering started when Christ came ??? and is still going on until the end of this age,is this not what Christ said ??? yes

    are not the true Israelite the ones that are in Christ and worship God in spirit and truth ??? yes according to Christ ,


    Terra.

    Romans 11:17   And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a **wild olive** tree, wert **graffed in** among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

     Romans 11:24   For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is **wild by nature**, and wert **graffed** contrary to nature into a good olive tree:  ***HOW MUCH MORE SHALL THESE, WHICH BE THE** **NATURAL BRANCHES**, be graffed into their **own olive tree**?

    THE WILD OLIVE BRANCHES ARE *THE GENTILES*,GRAFTED INTO THE THE *NATURAL* TREE.

    THE *NATURAL* OLIVE BRANCHES,ARE THE *JEWS*,GRAFTED BACK INTO THE *NATURAL* OLIVE TREE.
    ***HOW MUCH MORE*** SHALL THESE BE ***WHEN GRAFTED INTO THE NATURAL TREE***?

    THE JEWS WILL BE GRAFTED BACK TO THE NATURAL OLIVE TREE,AND THEY WILL BE VERY GREAT.

    The destruction of the temple in 70 ad. is a punishment for
    crucifying their messiah. thats past; done; gone.

    There is no such as *true* gatherings to worship today;for all have gone their own way.

    But there is the *first* gathering of the jews only;wich already happened in 1948.Which is Israel today.

    So there must be a *second* gathering of *the jews*;which is to come.
    This would be when the *natural olive* branches will be grafted *back into* the natural olive tree.

    This would be in the 1000yr kingdom;when Christ and the saints will rule. There will be no tears, and no pain, and no more sorrow.  And all will know the truth.

    ***Christ did not come to gather;but to divide.
    Brother against sister,and mother gainst father,
    parents against children***.

    All these years; the gatherings to worship, are like *dirty rags* in Gods eyes. Only a small flock are worshipping in truth.
    True and clean worship, will only happen when Christ rules in his kingdom.

    **CHRIST AND SATAN** ARE NOT RULING SIDE BY SIDE NOW,OR EVER.

    wakeup.


    wakeup

    i will say it one last time ;an nation that does not want Jehovah God to rule over them CANNOT BE A CHOSEN NATION,Christ came to gather the what was lost for his kingdom the heavenly Israel and the city of God Jerusalem,

    the flesh is no longer the guideline to God but it is the spirit of truth towards God ,

    the world is going on with Satan cast into its surroundings,but Christ is the one that received all the powers on earth and in heaven ;this means that Satan as lost all his powers ,but he his loaded with anger  and will take as many as he can with him ,by all his wicked means ,


    Terra.

    So you dont believe that the natural olive branches will be grafted back on again?
    So God is finished with the jews;is that it?
    He is only dealing with the spiritual jews.

    Can you explain Ez.37 then?

    wakeup.


    WAKEUP

    as soon that the wild graph is needed or is used to compensate for what the natural cannot supply ,it means that the natural as dried out and so do no longer produced what is his and so it is given to others,

    yes the Jews are welcome if they accept Christ and follow Jesus,and his disciples,and their teachings ,just like the gentiles,

     ONLY THE MISSING TO COMPLETE THE NUMBER OF 144K
    ARE GRAFTED ALL OTHER ARE OF THE GREAT CROWD AND OF ALL NATIONS INCLUDING Israel OF TODAY AND OF ALWAYS,
    TO ME THE 144K ARE THE PRIEST (JUSTICE AND TRUTH)THAT WILL BE JUDGES AND RULERS UNDER CHRIST FOR THE KINGDOM ,THOSE REPRESENT Jerusalem,AND ALL THE OTHERS (GREAT CROWD ) ARE THE NEW ISRAEL  (A PEOPLE FOR GOD'S NAME)


    Terra.

    So why would God bring back the jews in 1948.
    For what purpose?
    Since you say; God is finish with the jews.

    wakeup.

    #348097
    journey42
    Participant

    Hi Abe,

    Rom.8:14   For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, “Abba! Father!”

    23And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for [our] adoption as sons, the redemption of our body.

    We are waiting for our adoption.  It will be finalised at the 2nd coming who is adopted and who is not.  We do not choose who Christ accepts, but walk in that same spirit as Christ that gives us hope to be chosen.

    19For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God.

    Yes we have the first fruits of the spirit.  That's what the scriptures say.  The gentiles who believe will be grafted into the family of Israel.  They become spiritual Israel, and the first ones to be reborn at the 2nd coming of Christ. (changed in a twinkling of an eye), whilst Israel who are the natural branches, have had their eyes covered all this time, so that the gentiles can come in.  God has orchestrated this.  He let them go on purpose, not using his spirit to draw them back now,  but will bring Israel in again when the kingdom is set up physically. He will not take all of them, only the reserved.  Abraham and Isaac will be there, and Job, and the prophets also etc, but in the flesh.

    #348098
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 19 2013,12:20)
    Terra.

    So why would God bring back the jews in 1948.
    For what purpose?
    Since you say; God is finish with the jews.

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    1948 ended the dispersia of the Israelis as prophesied in Revelation 12:6.

                                   1948 – 1260 = 688 A.D.

    The abomination the causes desolation (dome of the rock) was
    set up (where it aught not) on the temple Mt. in 688 A.D.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #348102
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 19 2013,07:20)

    Quote (terraricca @ June 19 2013,06:57)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 18 2013,14:28)

    Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2013,13:23)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 18 2013,03:51)

    Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2013,02:15)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 16 2013,04:45)

    Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2013,05:05)

    Quote (Devolution @ June 16 2013,04:59)
    Please pay attention to the key words:

    Zechariah 2:12  “And the Lord shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land and shall choose Jerusalem again

    This coming kingdom EdJ.


    Hi Devolution,

    This occurred in on May 14, 1948.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EDJ.

    1948, israel *TODAY* has been gatered by God,but only to be *hunted down by his enemies*.
    Because this is just the **FIRST GATHERING**.

    The **SECOND GATHERING** will be also in israel,but in the 1000yr reign. This *ALL* have failed to see.
    All jews from the past WILL BE **BROUGHT BACK**,BY CHOICE,
    IN THE KINGDOM,WHERE THE SAINTS WILL RULE.

    THE FIRST IS FULFILLED;THE SECOND IS COMING.

    wakeup.


    Quote
    1948, israel *TODAY* has been gatered by God,but only to be *hunted down by his enemies*.
    Because this is just the **FIRST GATHERING**.

    this is the greatest deceit that i know of ;how can a nation that reject God become now a principal key in events to come ???

    did the full destruction of the temple in Jerusalem in 70 ad ,mean nothing to you guys ???

    was not the true gathering started when Christ came ??? and is still going on until the end of this age,is this not what Christ said ??? yes

    are not the true Israelite the ones that are in Christ and worship God in spirit and truth ??? yes according to Christ ,


    Terra.

    Romans 11:17   And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a **wild olive** tree, wert **graffed in** among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

     Romans 11:24   For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is **wild by nature**, and wert **graffed** contrary to nature into a good olive tree:  ***HOW MUCH MORE SHALL THESE, WHICH BE THE** **NATURAL BRANCHES**, be graffed into their **own olive tree**?

    THE WILD OLIVE BRANCHES ARE *THE GENTILES*,GRAFTED INTO THE THE *NATURAL* TREE.

    THE *NATURAL* OLIVE BRANCHES,ARE THE *JEWS*,GRAFTED BACK INTO THE *NATURAL* OLIVE TREE.
    ***HOW MUCH MORE*** SHALL THESE BE ***WHEN GRAFTED INTO THE NATURAL TREE***?

    THE JEWS WILL BE GRAFTED BACK TO THE NATURAL OLIVE TREE,AND THEY WILL BE VERY GREAT.

    The destruction of the temple in 70 ad. is a punishment for
    crucifying their messiah. thats past; done; gone.

    There is no such as *true* gatherings to worship today;for all have gone their own way.

    But there is the *first* gathering of the jews only;wich already happened in 1948.Which is Israel today.

    So there must be a *second* gathering of *the jews*;which is to come.
    This would be when the *natural olive* branches will be grafted *back into* the natural olive tree.

    This would be in the 1000yr kingdom;when Christ and the saints will rule. There will be no tears, and no pain, and no more sorrow.  And all will know the truth.

    ***Christ did not come to gather;but to divide.
    Brother against sister,and mother gainst father,
    parents against children***.

    All these years; the gatherings to worship, are like *dirty rags* in Gods eyes. Only a small flock are worshipping in truth.
    True and clean worship, will only happen when Christ rules in his kingdom.

    **CHRIST AND SATAN** ARE NOT RULING SIDE BY SIDE NOW,OR EVER.

    wakeup.


    wakeup

    i will say it one last time ;an nation that does not want Jehovah God to rule over them CANNOT BE A CHOSEN NATION,Christ came to gather the what was lost for his kingdom the heavenly Israel and the city of God Jerusalem,

    the flesh is no longer the guideline to God but it is the spirit of truth towards God ,

    the world is going on with Satan cast into its surroundings,but Christ is the one that received all the powers on earth and in heaven ;this means that Satan as lost all his powers ,but he his loaded with anger  and will take as many as he can with him ,by all his wicked means ,


    Terra.

    So you dont believe that the natural olive branches will be grafted back on again?
    So God is finished with the jews;is that it?
    He is only dealing with the spiritual jews.

    Can you explain Ez.37 then?

    wakeup.


    WAKEUP

    as soon that the wild graph is needed or is used to compensate for what the natural cannot supply ,it means that the natural as dried out and so do no longer produced what is his and so it is gi
    ven to others,

    yes the Jews are welcome if they accept Christ and follow Jesus,and his disciples,and their teachings ,just like the gentiles,

     ONLY THE MISSING TO COMPLETE THE NUMBER OF 144K ARE GRAFTED ALL OTHER ARE OF THE GREAT CROWD AND OF ALL NATIONS INCLUDING Israel OF TODAY AND OF ALWAYS,
    TO ME THE 144K ARE THE PRIEST (JUSTICE AND TRUTH)THAT WILL BE JUDGES AND RULERS UNDER CHRIST FOR THE KINGDOM ,THOSE REPRESENT Jerusalem,AND ALL THE OTHERS (GREAT CROWD ) ARE THE NEW ISRAEL  (A PEOPLE FOR GOD'S NAME)


    Terra.

    So why would God bring back the jews in 1948.
    For what purpose?
    Since you say; God is finish with the jews.

    wakeup.


    wakeup

    why is China now so rich,so big,so economical ,why do you have now a world organization ,why is their so much trouble in the world ,

    HOW COULD ISRAEL OR CHINA OR ANY OTHER BECOME WHAT THEY HAVE BECOME ;IT IS TRUE THAT THE WORLD AFFAIRS ARE UNDER THE CONTROL OF GOD BUT HE IS NOT THE INSTIGATOR OF WHAT IS HAPPEN ,BUT ONLY THE CONTROLLER TO ALLOW OR NOT TO ALLOW TO OCCUR ,SO IT IS ALL ,MOST OF MEN DOING UNDER SATAN POWERS OR WHAT LEFT OF HIS POWERS,DO NOT BE DECEIVED BY WHAT IS TO COME YET ,

    #348103
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ June 19 2013,07:54)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 19 2013,12:20)
    Terra.

    So why would God bring back the jews in 1948.
    For what purpose?
    Since you say; God is finish with the jews.

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    1948 ended the dispersia of the Israelis as prophesied in Revelation 12:6.

                                   1948 – 1260 = 688 A.D.

    The abomination the causes desolation (dome of the rock) was
    set up (where it aught not) on the temple Mt. in 688 A.D.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EDJ

    Quote
    The abomination the causes desolation (dome of the rock) was
    set up (where it aught not) on the temple Mt. in 688 A.D.

    this as nothing to do with the verse that Christ quoted to his apostles this was in reference to 70 AD,

    #348118
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ June 19 2013,13:10)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 19 2013,07:20)

    Quote (terraricca @ June 19 2013,06:57)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 18 2013,14:28)

    Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2013,13:23)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 18 2013,03:51)

    Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2013,02:15)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 16 2013,04:45)

    Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2013,05:05)

    Quote (Devolution @ June 16 2013,04:59)
    Please pay attention to the key words:

    Zechariah 2:12  “And the Lord shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land and shall choose Jerusalem again

    This coming kingdom EdJ.


    Hi Devolution,

    This occurred in on May 14, 1948.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EDJ.

    1948, israel *TODAY* has been gatered by God,but only to be *hunted down by his enemies*.
    Because this is just the **FIRST GATHERING**.

    The **SECOND GATHERING** will be also in israel,but in the 1000yr reign. This *ALL* have failed to see.
    All jews from the past WILL BE **BROUGHT BACK**,BY CHOICE,
    IN THE KINGDOM,WHERE THE SAINTS WILL RULE.

    THE FIRST IS FULFILLED;THE SECOND IS COMING.

    wakeup.


    Quote
    1948, israel *TODAY* has been gatered by God,but only to be *hunted down by his enemies*.
    Because this is just the **FIRST GATHERING**.

    this is the greatest deceit that i know of ;how can a nation that reject God become now a principal key in events to come ???

    did the full destruction of the temple in Jerusalem in 70 ad ,mean nothing to you guys ???

    was not the true gathering started when Christ came ??? and is still going on until the end of this age,is this not what Christ said ??? yes

    are not the true Israelite the ones that are in Christ and worship God in spirit and truth ??? yes according to Christ ,


    Terra.

    Romans 11:17   And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a **wild olive** tree, wert **graffed in** among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

     Romans 11:24   For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is **wild by nature**, and wert **graffed** contrary to nature into a good olive tree:  ***HOW MUCH MORE SHALL THESE, WHICH BE THE** **NATURAL BRANCHES**, be graffed into their **own olive tree**?

    THE WILD OLIVE BRANCHES ARE *THE GENTILES*,GRAFTED INTO THE THE *NATURAL* TREE.

    THE *NATURAL* OLIVE BRANCHES,ARE THE *JEWS*,GRAFTED BACK INTO THE *NATURAL* OLIVE TREE.
    ***HOW MUCH MORE*** SHALL THESE BE ***WHEN GRAFTED INTO THE NATURAL TREE***?

    THE JEWS WILL BE GRAFTED BACK TO THE NATURAL OLIVE TREE,AND THEY WILL BE VERY GREAT.

    The destruction of the temple in 70 ad. is a punishment for
    crucifying their messiah. thats past; done; gone.

    There is no such as *true* gatherings to worship today;for all have gone their own way.

    But there is the *first* gathering of the jews only;wich already happened in 1948.Which is Israel today.

    So there must be a *second* gathering of *the jews*;which is to come.
    This would be when the *natural olive* branches will be grafted *back into* the natural olive tree.

    This would be in the 1000yr kingdom;when Christ and the saints will rule. There will be no tears, and no pain, and no more sorrow.  And all will know the truth.

    ***Christ did not come to gather;but to divide.
    Brother against sister,and mother gainst father,
    parents against children***.

    All these years; the gatherings to worship, are like *dirty rags* in Gods eyes. Only a small flock are worshipping in truth.
    True and clean worship, will only happen when Christ rules in his kingdom.

    **CHRIST AND SATAN** ARE NOT RULING SIDE BY SIDE NOW,OR EVER.

    wakeup.


    wakeup

    i will say it one last time ;an nation that does not want Jehovah God to rule over them CANNOT BE A CHOSEN NATION,Christ came to gather the what was lost for his kingdom the heavenly Israel and the city of God Jerusalem,

    the flesh is no longer the guideline to God but it is the spirit of truth towards God ,

    the world is going on with Satan cast into its surroundings,but Christ is the one that received all the powers on earth and in heaven ;this means that Satan as lost all his powers ,but he his loaded with anger  and will take as many as he can with him ,by all his wicked means ,


    Terra.

    So you dont believe that the natural olive branches will be grafted back on again?
    So God is finished with the jews;is that it?
    He is only dealing with the spiritual jews.

    Can you explain Ez.37 then?

    wakeup.

    WAKEUP

    as soon that the wild graph is needed or is used to compensate for what the natural cannot supply ,it means that the natural as dried out and so do no longer produced what is his and so it is given to others,

    yes the Jews are welcome if they accept Christ and follow Jesus,and his disciples,and their teachings ,just like the gentiles,

     ONLY THE MISSING TO COMPLETE THE NUMBER OF 144K ARE GRAFTED ALL OTHER ARE OF THE GREAT CROWD AND OF ALL NATIONS INCLUDING Israel OF TODAY AND OF ALWAYS,
    TO ME THE 144K ARE THE PRIEST (JUSTICE AND TRUTH)THAT WILL BE JUDGES AND RULERS UNDER CHRIST FOR THE KINGDOM ,THOSE REPRESENT Jerusalem,AND ALL THE OTHERS (GREAT CROWD ) ARE THE NEW ISRAEL  (A PEOPLE FOR GOD'S NAME)


    Terra.

    So why would God bring back the jews in 1948.
    For what purpose?
    Since you say; God is finish with the jews.

    wakeup.


    wakeup

    why is China now so rich,so big,so economical ,why do you have now a world organization ,why is their so much trouble in the world ,

    HOW COULD ISRAEL OR CHINA OR ANY OTHER BECOME WHAT THEY HAVE BECOME ;IT IS TRUE THAT THE WORLD AFFAIRS ARE UNDER THE CONTROL OF GOD BUT HE IS NOT THE INSTIGATOR OF WHAT IS HAPPEN ,BUT ONLY THE CONTROLLER TO ALLOW OR NOT TO ALLOW TO OCCUR ,SO IT IS ALL ,MOST OF MEN DOING UNDER SATAN POWERS OR WHAT LEFT OF HIS POWERS,DO NOT BE DECEIVED BY WHAT IS TO COME YET ,  


    Terra.

    MY QUESTION WAS;
    WHY WOULD GOD BRING BACK ISRAEL TO A NATION;
    WHEN HE HAS SCATTERED THEM IN ALL THE FOUR WINDS?

    AREN YOU SAYING THAT IT **WAS NOT** GODS DOING?
    PLEASE RESPOND.

    wakeup.

    #348120
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ June 19 2013,12:54)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 19 2013,12:20)
    Terra.

    So why would God bring back the jews in 1948.
    For what purpose?
    Since you say; God is finish with the jews.

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    1948 ended the dispersia of the Israelis as prophesied in Revelation 12:6.

                                   1948 – 1260 = 688 A.D.

    The abomination the causes desolation (dome of the rock) was
    set up (where it aught not) on the temple Mt. in 688 A.D.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EDJ.

    If the dome is the abomination of desplation.
    1. Why is it standing there for more than 3/half years.
    2. For no flesh shall be saved.Y/N?
    3.The setting up of the dome is the sign of the great destruction,on this earth.Y/N?

    THis earth is so far still standing;therefore the dome is *NOT* the abomination of desolation.

    wakeup.

    #348121
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 19 2013,09:26)

    Quote (terraricca @ June 19 2013,13:10)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 19 2013,07:20)

    Quote (terraricca @ June 19 2013,06:57)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 18 2013,14:28)

    Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2013,13:23)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 18 2013,03:51)

    Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2013,02:15)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 16 2013,04:45)

    Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2013,05:05)

    Quote (Devolution @ June 16 2013,04:59)
    Please pay attention to the key words:

    Zechariah 2:12  “And the Lord shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land and shall choose Jerusalem again

    This coming kingdom EdJ.


    Hi Devolution,

    This occurred in on May 14, 1948.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EDJ.

    1948, israel *TODAY* has been gatered by God,but only to be *hunted down by his enemies*.
    Because this is just the **FIRST GATHERING**.

    The **SECOND GATHERING** will be also in israel,but in the 1000yr reign. This *ALL* have failed to see.
    All jews from the past WILL BE **BROUGHT BACK**,BY CHOICE,
    IN THE KINGDOM,WHERE THE SAINTS WILL RULE.

    THE FIRST IS FULFILLED;THE SECOND IS COMING.

    wakeup.


    Quote
    1948, israel *TODAY* has been gatered by God,but only to be *hunted down by his enemies*.
    Because this is just the **FIRST GATHERING**.

    this is the greatest deceit that i know of ;how can a nation that reject God become now a principal key in events to come ???

    did the full destruction of the temple in Jerusalem in 70 ad ,mean nothing to you guys ???

    was not the true gathering started when Christ came ??? and is still going on until the end of this age,is this not what Christ said ??? yes

    are not the true Israelite the ones that are in Christ and worship God in spirit and truth ??? yes according to Christ ,


    Terra.

    Romans 11:17   And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a **wild olive** tree, wert **graffed in** among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

     Romans 11:24   For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is **wild by nature**, and wert **graffed** contrary to nature into a good olive tree:  ***HOW MUCH MORE SHALL THESE, WHICH BE THE** **NATURAL BRANCHES**, be graffed into their **own olive tree**?

    THE WILD OLIVE BRANCHES ARE *THE GENTILES*,GRAFTED INTO THE THE *NATURAL* TREE.

    THE *NATURAL* OLIVE BRANCHES,ARE THE *JEWS*,GRAFTED BACK INTO THE *NATURAL* OLIVE TREE.
    ***HOW MUCH MORE*** SHALL THESE BE ***WHEN GRAFTED INTO THE NATURAL TREE***?

    THE JEWS WILL BE GRAFTED BACK TO THE NATURAL OLIVE TREE,AND THEY WILL BE VERY GREAT.

    The destruction of the temple in 70 ad. is a punishment for
    crucifying their messiah. thats past; done; gone.

    There is no such as *true* gatherings to worship today;for all have gone their own way.

    But there is the *first* gathering of the jews only;wich already happened in 1948.Which is Israel today.

    So there must be a *second* gathering of *the jews*;which is to come.
    This would be when the *natural olive* branches will be grafted *back into* the natural olive tree.

    This would be in the 1000yr kingdom;when Christ and the saints will rule. There will be no tears, and no pain, and no more sorrow.  And all will know the truth.

    ***Christ did not come to gather;but to divide.
    Brother against sister,and mother gainst father,
    parents against children***.

    All these years; the gatherings to worship, are like *dirty rags* in Gods eyes. Only a small flock are worshipping in truth.
    True and clean worship, will only happen when Christ rules in his kingdom.

    **CHRIST AND SATAN** ARE NOT RULING SIDE BY SIDE NOW,OR EVER.

    wakeup.


    wakeup

    i will say it one last time ;an nation that does not want Jehovah God to rule over them CANNOT BE A CHOSEN NATION,Christ came to gather the what was lost for his kingdom the heavenly Israel and the city of God Jerusalem,

    the flesh is no longer the guideline to God but it is the spirit of truth towards God ,

    the world is going on with Satan cast into its surroundings,but Christ is the one that received all the powers on earth and in heaven ;this means that Satan as lost all his powers ,but he his loaded with anger  and will take as many as he can with him ,by all his wicked means ,


    Terra.

    So you dont believe that the natural olive b
    ranches will be grafted back on again?
    So God is finished with the jews;is that it?
    He is only dealing with the spiritual jews.

    Can you explain Ez.37 then?

    wakeup.


    WAKEUP

    as soon that the wild graph is needed or is used to compensate for what the natural cannot supply ,it means that the natural as dried out and so do no longer produced what is his and so it is given to others,

    yes the Jews are welcome if they accept Christ and follow Jesus,and his disciples,and their teachings ,just like the gentiles,

     ONLY THE MISSING TO COMPLETE THE NUMBER OF 144K ARE GRAFTED ALL OTHER ARE OF THE GREAT CROWD AND OF ALL NATIONS INCLUDING Israel OF TODAY AND OF ALWAYS,
    TO ME THE 144K ARE THE PRIEST (JUSTICE AND TRUTH)THAT WILL BE JUDGES AND RULERS UNDER CHRIST FOR THE KINGDOM ,THOSE REPRESENT Jerusalem,AND ALL THE OTHERS (GREAT CROWD ) ARE THE NEW ISRAEL  (A PEOPLE FOR GOD'S NAME)


    Terra.

    So why would God bring back the jews in 1948.
    For what purpose?
    Since you say; God is finish with the jews.

    wakeup.


    wakeup

    why is China now so rich,so big,so economical ,why do you have now a world organization ,why is their so much trouble in the world ,

    HOW COULD ISRAEL OR CHINA OR ANY OTHER BECOME WHAT THEY HAVE BECOME ;IT IS TRUE THAT THE WORLD AFFAIRS ARE UNDER THE CONTROL OF GOD BUT HE IS NOT THE INSTIGATOR OF WHAT IS HAPPEN ,BUT ONLY THE CONTROLLER TO ALLOW OR NOT TO ALLOW TO OCCUR ,SO IT IS ALL ,MOST OF MEN DOING UNDER SATAN POWERS OR WHAT LEFT OF HIS POWERS,DO NOT BE DECEIVED BY WHAT IS TO COME YET ,  


    Terra.

    MY QUESTION WAS;
    WHY WOULD GOD BRING BACK ISRAEL TO A NATION;
    WHEN HE HAS SCATTERED THEM IN ALL THE FOUR WINDS?

    AREN YOU SAYING THAT IT **WAS NOT** GODS DOING?
    PLEASE RESPOND.

    wakeup.


    Wakeup

    Yes that is what I say and understand from the scriptures

    #348126
    Devolution
    Participant

    terraricca,June wrote:

    [/quote]
    Hi Terra,

    Quote
    i will say it one last time ;an nation that does not want Jehovah God to rule over them CANNOT BE A CHOSEN NATION, Christ came to gather the what was lost for his kingdom the heavenly Israel and the city of God Jerusalem

    Yes Terra but Israel is an exception.

    Romans 11:28 >As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

    Notice these scriptural enemies of Christ and his people are still called beloved?
    They are against Christ (scriptural enemies) YET they are somehow still beloved
    So they CAN NOT be Christians because they are ENEMIES of the GOSPELS…which means they REJECT the gospels!!

    So How on earth can PRACTISING ENEMIES OF THE GOSPELS find GRACE?

    It is because of the election…the election of grace which in this case,  does not mean Jews coming to Christ, but those selected out of those under Moses law.
    This election of grace has been in effect for every single generation of Jews under the old covenant and is still in effect even today…that's right, even selected from amongst our scriptural enemies.

    But why?
    It is perfectly logical when thought about…
    “for the father's sake”…
    so for the patriarchs of Israel…
    and when thought about over and over, this should come as the answer…
    “For MY NAMES SAKE”…
    Because God made PROMISES to the good Israelites of every generation BEFORE Christ.
    But they were ALL already DEAD by the time Christ came, so what happens to these?
    Has the grave cancelled out Gods promises to them?

    Quote
    the flesh is no longer the guideline to God but it is the spirit of truth towards God


    Correct.
    And that applies to those Jews who will be brought back to life in the flesh also.
    This is WHY they must come back as flesh Terra, so they can finally receive that which was promised to them too…the HOLY SPIRIT.

    NO MAN IS CHANGED TO SPIRIT WITHOUT FIRST HAVING THAT HOLY SPIRIT GAFFE TO THEIR MORTAL SOULS.

    Because it is that Spirit which God uses to make them Spirit. (Romans 8:11)
    So what of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob etc?
    How can they become Spirit when they never had that Holy Spirit of Christ's?
    Do all those Jews just get favoured over the billions of Christians who laboured and toiled in the flesh?
    These Jews just get a free pass do they?
    NO.
    God is NOT a respecter of persons remember?

    These Jews MUST go through the SAME process we did…and even though they will be learning in a more favoured and beneficial environment than we did, in the end they still have to ACCEPT in their hearts Christ's WAYS.
    And we all know that the heart must be overcome by the Spirit, so they will still have inner battles to fight just like we did/do.

    Quote
    the world is going on with Satan cast into its surroundings,but Christ is the one that received all the powers on earth and in heaven ;this means that Satan as lost all his powers ,but he his loaded with anger  and will take as many as he can with him ,by all his wicked means

    Satan has ALWAYS been here.
    Satan was only cast out from his heavenly home, his heavenly access all gone from that day forward.
    Scripture tells us Satan is VERY POWERFUL,  he has NOT lost his powers at all.
    Only his power over Christ's people, though he still tries to meddle in our lives, if we keep making the right decisions he will flee from us…but if we begin to follow our own desires, not only will he will return and cause trouble, but God will LET HIM, and we will stand in jeopardy of losing all God has given us.

    For when a righteous man willingly commits sin and greaves/blasphemes the Holy Spirit, all his righteous deeds will be considered unrighteous, and his fall will be great.

    #348127
    terraricca
    Participant

    Devo

    Romans 11:28! What I understand what Paul says is, that according to the gospel they are enemy,for your (Gentiles )sakes, but as for the election this is for the father,s sake ,meaning that the Jews will have priority for the election that will be of the 144k redeemed from the earth, Abraham could be part of those ,because it says in scriptures that if you truly believe in the father you will believe in the one he as send,and people like Abraham and Moses who add total faith in God ,will and can not reject the true messenger of God ,in which they so deeply believe in,

    So it is not the modern Israel that stands for anything but the righteous men that have loved their God and trusted him in the same way we should do it,

    #348128
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 19 2013,14:57)

    Quote (Ed J @ June 19 2013,12:54)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 19 2013,12:20)
    Terra.

    So why would God bring back the jews in 1948.
    For what purpose?
    Since you say; God is finish with the jews.

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    1948 ended the dispersia of the Israelis as prophesied in Revelation 12:6.

         1948 – 1260 = 688 A.D.

    The abomination the causes desolation (dome of the rock) was
    set up (where it aught not) on the temple Mt. in 688 A.D.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EDJ.

    If the dome is the abomination of desplation.
    1. Why is it standing there for more than 3/half years.
    2. For no flesh shall be saved.Y/N?
    3.The setting up of the dome is the sign of the great destruction,on this earth.Y/N?

    THis earth is so far still standing;therefore the dome is *NOT* the abomination of desolation.

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    How many times do I got to keep telling you the same thing over and over – until it registers?

                   1,260 days are REALLY prophetic years:

    “I have appointed thee each day for a year” (Ezek 4:6)
    “each day for a year” (Num 14:34)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #348129
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 19 2013,14:57)
    EDJ.

    If the dome is the abomination of desplation.
    1. Why is it standing there for more than 3/half years.
    2. For no flesh shall be saved.Y/N?
    3.The setting up of the dome is the sign of the great destruction,on this earth.Y/N?

    THis earth is so far still standing;therefore the dome is *NOT* the abomination of desolation.

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    I suggest you ask questions that are NOT based on your current misconceptions; OK?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #348130
    terraricca
    Participant

    Devo

    No men can be graphed without first receiving the holy spirit, this is true,but. To what extent do they receive it ??? Understand that the scriptures where written under the guidance of the holy spirit ,so those men add to receive it but not all stained faithful to it and their God,

    I do believe that accepting the truth of God is the beginning of receiving the holy spirit ,and as you deeply progress into it the holy spirit of truth his with us to guide us in more and more truth,because he is the spirit of truth,and the comforter to live through all the difficult time we live in,and endure

    #348131
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 19 2013,14:57)

    Quote (Ed J @ June 19 2013,12:54)

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 19 2013,12:20)
    Terra.

    So why would God bring back the jews in 1948.
    For what purpose?
    Since you say; God is finish with the jews.

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    1948 ended the dispersia of the Israelis as prophesied in Revelation 12:6.

                                   1948 – 1260 = 688 A.D.

    The abomination the causes desolation (dome of the rock) was
    set up (where it aught not) on the temple Mt. in 688 A.D.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EDJ.

    If the dome is the abomination of desplation.
    1. Why is it standing there for more than 3/half years.
    2. For no flesh shall be saved.Y/N?
    3.The setting up of the dome is the sign of the great destruction,on this earth.Y/N?

    THis earth is so far still standing;therefore the dome is *NOT* the abomination of desolation.

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

                            688 + 1335 = 2023

    As I told you before, i believe it will be torn down in the year 2023.

    “Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.” (Dan 12:12)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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