My view on the millenium

[Devolution]

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Quote (Devolution @ June 14 2013,17:54) EdJ, Can Satan shoo away Gods kingdom? NO Nor can he push it off endlessly into the future – when it's here – right in front of him. “The kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness,  and peace, and joy in the HolySpirit.” (Romans 14:17)

EdJ,

That is not what that scripture is talking about at all.

That verse is part of a statement concerning JUDGING according to meats and drinks and other judgments of the EYES.

How the more spiritually mature must refrain from certain things for their weaker and less mature brethren.

And the reply is,

For the kingdom of God is not meat and drinks…God is just telling us this is not what His kingdom is about…His kingdom isn't about the ordinances of the old law of “don't touch that, don't eat those, don't wear them etc etc etc”

THAT WAY is not how Gods kingdom is run.

So you can not use that scripture to back your argument because it has nothing to do with what you are trying to make it do.

[Ed J]

Quote (Devolution @ June 15 2013,16:05)

Quote (Ed J @ June 15 2013,08:11) Quote (Devolution @ June 14 2013,17:54) EdJ, Can Satan shoo away Gods kingdom? NO Nor can he push it off endlessly into the future – when it's here – right in front of him. “The kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness,  and peace, and joy in the HolySpirit.” (Romans 14:17) EdJ, That is not what that scripture is talking about at all. That verse is part of a statement concerning JUDGING according to meats and drinks and other judgments of the EYES. How the more spiritually mature must refrain from certain things for their weaker and less mature brethren. And the reply is, For the kingdom of God is not meat and drinks…God is just telling us this is not what His kingdom is about…His kingdom isn't about the ordinances of the old law of “don't touch that, don't eat those, don't wear them etc etc etc” THAT WAY is not how Gods kingdom is run. So you can not use that scripture to back your argument because it has nothing to do with what you are trying to make it do.

Will you attempt to do away with these too?

“speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God”…….. (Acts 1:3)
“ye shall be baptized with the HolySpirit not many days hence.” (Acts 1:5)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Wakeup]

Quote (Ed J @ June 15 2013,16:50)

Quote (Devolution @ June 15 2013,16:05) Quote (Ed J @ June 15 2013,08:11) Quote (Devolution @ June 14 2013,17:54) EdJ, Can Satan shoo away Gods kingdom? NO Nor can he push it off endlessly into the future – when it's here – right in front of him. “The kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness,  and peace, and joy in the HolySpirit.” (Romans 14:17) EdJ, That is not what that scripture is talking about at all. That verse is part of a statement concerning JUDGING according to meats and drinks and other judgments of the EYES. How the more spiritually mature must refrain from certain things for their weaker and less mature brethren. And the reply is, For the kingdom of God is not meat and drinks…God is just telling us this is not what His kingdom is about…His kingdom isn't about the ordinances of the old law of “don't touch that, don't eat those, don't wear them etc etc etc” THAT WAY is not how Gods kingdom is run. So you can not use that scripture to back your argument because it has nothing to do with what you are trying to make it do. Will you attempt to do away with these too? “speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God”…….. (Acts 1:3) “ye shall be baptized with the HolySpirit not many days hence.” (Acts 1:5) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

RdJ.

And indeed they were babtised with the Holy spirit at pantecost. Jesus did not *bring* the Holy spirit to them.
But he did *send* the holy spirit from heaven.

Jesus has never touch earth after his ascension,where more than 500 saw him lifted up to heaven.

wakeup.

[Devolution]

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Will you attempt to do away with these too? “speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God”…….. (Acts 1:3) “ye shall be baptized with the HolySpirit not many days hence.” (Acts 1:5)

EdJ,

Stop trying to force what is just not there.

Acts 1:3  “To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God.

Jesus is telling them things about the kingdom of God, no doubt the Holy Spirit was a subject He definitely spoke of…just like all of us do when we minister to others.

Acts 1:5  “For John truly baptized with water, but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.”

Speaking about being baptized with the Holy Ghost instead of John's water baptism.

One isn't baptised with the kingdom EdJ, but with the Holy Ghost.

That's what they were told to wait for EdJ…the Holy Spirit NOT the kingdom.

Now notice verse 6?

The Apostles wondered if on that SAME day…the DAY OF PENTECOST… whether or not Jesus was going to restore the KINGDOM back to ISRAEL

And what did Jesus say to them Ed?

He Said:

Acts 1:7  “It is not for you to know the times or seasons, which the Father has put in His own power”

That was concerning the DAY OF PENTECOST…

Jesus was telling them NO in other words EdJ!!!

NO KINGDOM COMING ON PENTECOST is what Jesus was basically saying…that they didn't need concern themselves with that.

So we accept what Christ said, Pentecost was for the giving of the Holy Spirit…NOT the 2nd coming, NOT the restored kingdom, it is very basic doctrine Ed.

[Ed J]

Hi Devolution,

The “Kingdom of God” is NOT the kingdom of Israel, did you somehow think that it was?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Devolution @ June 15 2013,23:32)

Quote Will you attempt to do away with these too? “speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God”…….. (Acts 1:3) “ye shall be baptized with the HolySpirit not many days hence.” (Acts 1:5) EdJ, Stop trying to force what is just not there.

Will you attempt to do away with this Scripture too?

“But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.” (Matt 12:28)

[Wakeup]

Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2013,02:27)

Quote (Devolution @ June 15 2013,23:32) Quote Will you attempt to do away with these too? “speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God”…….. (Acts 1:3) “ye shall be baptized with the HolySpirit not many days hence.” (Acts 1:5) EdJ, Stop trying to force what is just not there. Will you attempt to do away with this Scripture too? “But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.” (Matt 12:28)

EDJ.

Never forget; the kingdom is within you,if you
obey his commandments.
When the physical kingdom has arrived;you will inherit.

sample:
Democracy is in every American; and they also live in a democratic country.

True believers have the kingdom in them; but must wait untill that kingdom is set up.

wakeup.

[Ed J]

Hi Wakeup,

You have the kingdom, but you don't?  

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Devolution]

Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2013,02:22)

Hi Devolution, The “Kingdom of God” is NOT the kingdom of Israel, did you somehow think that it was? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed,

You have been saying that the kingdom is already here in the world.

But you have confused the “Spirit of the kingdom” within us with the actual coming physical kingdom which you believe is already here in the world.
I am speaking of that kingdom you are so confused about.

And that kingdom IS going to be the restored Kingdom of Israel the Apostles asked Jesus about in Acts 1:6.

There is a spiritual kingdom where God in heaven dwells.
The resurrected saints inherit that kingdom but will work Gods work in the physical kingdom for a 1000 years, just like the angels who have been working Gods work IN the world all this time.

Please pay attention to the key words:

Zechariah 2:12  “And the Lord shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land and shall choose Jerusalem again

This coming kingdom EdJ.
Judah is on earth btw.

Not the kingdom the resurrected saints inherit, that is heavenly, but the one for the Jews and those nations who join with them in that day…and that one is going to be a physical one.

And this kingdom will be the only authority in the world when it is set up.
This is that kingdom which Daniel spoke of in ch2:44.

[Ed J]

Quote (Devolution @ June 16 2013,04:59)

Please pay attention to the key words: Zechariah 2:12  “And the Lord shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land and shall choose Jerusalem again This coming kingdom EdJ.

Hi Devolution,

This occurred in on May 14, 1948.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Wakeup]

Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2013,05:05)

Quote (Devolution @ June 16 2013,04:59) Please pay attention to the key words: Zechariah 2:12  “And the Lord shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land and shall choose Jerusalem again This coming kingdom EdJ. Hi Devolution, This occurred in on May 14, 1948. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EDJ.

1948, israel *TODAY* has been gatered by God,but only to be *hunted down by his enemies*.
Because this is just the **FIRST GATHERING**.

The **SECOND GATHERING** will be also in israel,but in the 1000yr reign. This *ALL* have failed to see.
All jews from the past WILL BE **BROUGHT BACK**,BY CHOICE,
IN THE KINGDOM,WHERE THE SAINTS WILL RULE.

THE FIRST IS FULFILLED;THE SECOND IS COMING.

wakeup.

[Devolution]

Quote (Wakeup @ June 16 2013,09:45)

Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2013,05:05) Quote (Devolution @ June 16 2013,04:59) Please pay attention to the key words: Zechariah 2:12  “And the Lord shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land and shall choose Jerusalem again This coming kingdom EdJ. Hi Devolution, This occurred in on May 14, 1948. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org EDJ. 1948, israel *TODAY* has been gatered by God,but only to be *hunted down by his enemies*. Because this is just the **FIRST GATHERING**. The **SECOND GATHERING** will be also in israel,but in the 1000yr reign. This *ALL* have failed to see. All jews from the past WILL BE **BROUGHT BACK**,BY CHOICE, IN THE KINGDOM,WHERE THE SAINTS WILL RULE. THE FIRST IS FULFILLED;THE SECOND IS COMING. wakeup.

EdJ,

Wakeup explained it well.

The reason God has brought back Israel is for this reason:

Zephaniah 3:8 “Therefore wait ye upon me, saith the LORD, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for my determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them mine indignation, even all my fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy.”

This is why God has put Israel in the midst of and surrounded by her enemies…to bring about the conditions for Gods plan to unfold.

[Ed J]

Quote (Devolution @ June 16 2013,19:24)

Quote (Wakeup @ June 16 2013,09:45) Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2013,05:05) Quote (Devolution @ June 16 2013,04:59) Please pay attention to the key words: Zechariah 2:12  “And the Lord shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land and shall choose Jerusalem again This coming kingdom EdJ. Hi Devolution, This occurred in on May 14, 1948. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org EDJ. 1948, israel *TODAY* has been gatered by God,but only to be *hunted down by his enemies*. Because this is just the **FIRST GATHERING**. The **SECOND GATHERING** will be also in israel,but in the 1000yr reign. This *ALL* have failed to see. All jews from the past WILL BE **BROUGHT BACK**,BY CHOICE, IN THE KINGDOM,WHERE THE SAINTS WILL RULE. THE FIRST IS FULFILLED;THE SECOND IS COMING. wakeup. EdJ, Wakeup explained it well. The reason God has brought back Israel is for this reason: Zephaniah 3:8  “Therefore wait ye upon me, saith the LORD, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for my determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them mine indignation, even all my fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy.” This is why God has put Israel in the midst of and surrounded by her enemies…to bring about the conditions for Gods plan to unfold.

Hi Devolution,

It's not a matter of how well Wakeup expresses his views, but how well they line up with Scripture.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Wakeup]

Quote (Ed J @ June 17 2013,14:27)

Quote (Devolution @ June 16 2013,19:24) Quote (Wakeup @ June 16 2013,09:45) Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2013,05:05) Quote (Devolution @ June 16 2013,04:59) Please pay attention to the key words: Zechariah 2:12  “And the Lord shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land and shall choose Jerusalem again This coming kingdom EdJ. Hi Devolution, This occurred in on May 14, 1948. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org EDJ. 1948, israel *TODAY* has been gatered by God,but only to be *hunted down by his enemies*. Because this is just the **FIRST GATHERING**. The **SECOND GATHERING** will be also in israel,but in the 1000yr reign. This *ALL* have failed to see. All jews from the past WILL BE **BROUGHT BACK**,BY CHOICE, IN THE KINGDOM,WHERE THE SAINTS WILL RULE. THE FIRST IS FULFILLED;THE SECOND IS COMING. wakeup. EdJ, Wakeup explained it well. The reason God has brought back Israel is for this reason: Zephaniah 3:8  “Therefore wait ye upon me, saith the LORD, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for my determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them mine indignation, even all my fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy.” This is why God has put Israel in the midst of and surrounded by her enemies…to bring about the conditions for Gods plan to unfold. Hi Devolution, It's not a matter of how well Wakeup expresses his views, but how well they line up with Scripture. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EdJ.

Israel has been brought back today;
Israel will be brought back *again*tomorrow;
that will be in the 1000yr reign.
By Jesus; after his coming,after the destruction of babylon the great.

wakeup.

[journey42]

Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2013,05:05)

Quote (Devolution @ June 16 2013,04:59) Please pay attention to the key words: Zechariah 2:12  “And the Lord shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land and shall choose Jerusalem again This coming kingdom EdJ. Hi Devolution, This occurred in on May 14, 1948. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Edj

If you say God chose Jerusalem “again” in 1948, then please tell us what has happened there that is so spectacular? Is Jerusalem now the city of peace?

[Ed J]

Quote (journey42 @ June 17 2013,18:59)

Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2013,05:05) Quote (Devolution @ June 16 2013,04:59) Please pay attention to the key words: Zechariah 2:12  “And the Lord shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land and shall choose Jerusalem again This coming kingdom EdJ. Hi Devolution, This occurred in on May 14, 1948. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Edj If you say God chose Jerusalem “again” in 1948, then please tell us what has happened there that is so spectacular?  Is Jerusalem now the city of peace?

Hi Journey42,

What was so spectacular was that God had brought the people of Israel back to their own land.
“Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be
 made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once?” (Isaiah 66:8)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[journey42]

Ed wrote:

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Hi Journey42, What was so spectacular was that God had brought the people of Israel back to their own land. “Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be  made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once?” (Isaiah 66:8)

Edj

Isaiah 8:14   And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

I know for a fact that the inhabitants of Jerusalem did not accept Jesus Christ in 1948, nor till this day.  This is not “spectacular” Ed.  Christ is their stumbling stone and rock of offence.

The prophesies say otherwise when speaking of Jerusalem.  A spectacular type of event.  Something that has never happened before.

Isaiah 24:23   Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously. (BEFORE HIS ANCIENTS ED. GLORIOUSLY.  THEY WILL SEE HIM)

Jeremiah 3:17   At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart. (THE LORDS OWN THRONE WILL BE THERE IN JERUSALEM.  ALL THE NATIONS SHALL GATHER BEFORE THAT THRONE.  THIS HAS NEVER HAPPENED)

Psalms 68:29   Because of thy temple at Jerusalem shall kings bring presents unto thee. (THE NATIONS THAT WILL GATHER UNTO THE LORD IN JERUSALEM WILL STILL HAVE THEIR KINGS (LEADERS) BUT THEIR DOMINION IS TAKEN AWAY.  JESUS WILL BE KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS AND ALL WILL KNOW IT.  THIS HAS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE)

So your interpretation of Isaiah 66:8 is off track Ed.

[journey42]

Here are some more “spectacular” events concerning Jerusalem to come.

Isaiah 30:19   For the people shall dwell in Zion at Jerusalem: thou shalt weep no more: he will be very gracious unto thee at the voice of thy cry; when he shall hear it, he will answer thee.

Isaiah 33:20   Look upon Zion, the city of our solemnities: thine eyes shall see Jerusalem a quiet habitation, a tabernacle that shall not be taken down; not one of the stakes thereof shall ever be removed, neither shall any of the cords thereof be broken.

Isaiah 62:7   And give him no rest, till he establish, and till he make Jerusalem a praise in the earth.

Isaiah 65:18   But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

Isaiah 65:19   And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.

Isaiah 66:13   As one whom his mother comforteth, so will I comfort you; and ye shall be comforted in Jerusalem.

Isaiah 66:20   And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the LORD out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the LORD, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the LORD.

[terraricca]

Quote (journey42 @ June 17 2013,19:39)

Ed wrote: [/quote] Quote Hi Journey42, What was so spectacular was that God had brought the people of Israel back to their own land. “Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be  made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once?” (Isaiah 66:8) Edj Isaiah 8:14   And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem. I know for a fact that the inhabitants of Jerusalem did not accept Jesus Christ in 1948, nor till this day.  This is not “spectacular” Ed.  Christ is their stumbling stone and rock of offence. The prophesies say otherwise when speaking of Jerusalem.  A spectacular type of event.  Something that has never happened before. Isaiah 24:23   Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously. (BEFORE HIS ANCIENTS ED. GLORIOUSLY.  THEY WILL SEE HIM) Jeremiah 3:17   At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart. (THE LORDS OWN THRONE WILL BE THERE IN JERUSALEM.  ALL THE NATIONS SHALL GATHER BEFORE THAT THRONE.  THIS HAS NEVER HAPPENED) Psalms 68:29   Because of thy temple at Jerusalem shall kings bring presents unto thee. (THE NATIONS THAT WILL GATHER UNTO THE LORD IN JERUSALEM WILL STILL HAVE THEIR KINGS (LEADERS) BUT THEIR DOMINION IS TAKEN AWAY.  JESUS WILL BE KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS AND ALL WILL KNOW IT.  THIS HAS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE) So your interpretation of Isaiah 66:8 is off track Ed.

all this is about Christ ;not an worldly nation that as rejected their own God as ruler,

Christ is the new king of Israel and his faithful ones will reign in Jerusalem the city of God when time comes,and no wickedness will enter into it ;not like today ;open your eyes and see,

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ June 16 2013,04:45)

Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2013,05:05) Quote (Devolution @ June 16 2013,04:59) Please pay attention to the key words: Zechariah 2:12  “And the Lord shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land and shall choose Jerusalem again This coming kingdom EdJ. Hi Devolution, This occurred in on May 14, 1948. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org EDJ. 1948, israel *TODAY* has been gatered by God,but only to be *hunted down by his enemies*. Because this is just the **FIRST GATHERING**. The **SECOND GATHERING** will be also in israel,but in the 1000yr reign. This *ALL* have failed to see. All jews from the past WILL BE **BROUGHT BACK**,BY CHOICE, IN THE KINGDOM,WHERE THE SAINTS WILL RULE. THE FIRST IS FULFILLED;THE SECOND IS COMING. wakeup.

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1948, israel *TODAY* has been gatered by God,but only to be *hunted down by his enemies*. Because this is just the **FIRST GATHERING**.

this is the greatest deceit that i know of ;how can a nation that reject God become now a principal key in events to come

did the full destruction of the temple in Jerusalem in 70 ad ,mean nothing to you guys

was not the true gathering started when Christ came and is still going on until the end of this age,is this not what Christ said yes

are not the true Israelite the ones that are in Christ and worship God in spirit and truth yes according to Christ ,

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