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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 20 2009,17:52) Hi BD,
Jesus was hated without cause.
But you feel sorry for your master who would deceive?
Actually I feel sorry for you because you judge without knowledge.Was Jesus the only one hated without cause?
Jesus is your God who was killed.
My God has never been killed, He is EVERLIVING and EVERLASTING. My God raised Jesus up to Himself.
Hi BD,
Why would you deliberately misrepresent Jesus?
Undermining the Lord of all would seem to be mischief.You know better surely?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 21 2009,16:46) Hi BD,
Jesus is the Son of our God.
Where does your God appear in our sacred scriptures?
There is no god but God.HiBD,
Would you come to Jesus to restore your relationship with his Father God?Or try to do it yourself?
Whoever wants to save his own life will lose it.
Let the dead bury the dead.Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 22 2009,14:02) HiBD,
Would you come to Jesus to restore your relationship with his Father God?Or try to do it yourself?
Whoever wants to save his own life will lose it.
Let the dead bury the dead.
I already have come to Jesus and he reconciled me to the Father in Islam.Hi BD,
Tell us more.
Have you been reborn of water and the Spirit?If so why do you follow another master?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 22 2009,14:19) Hi BD,
Tell us more.
Have you been reborn of water and the Spirit?If so why do you follow another master?
Yes, and God has led me to greater knowledge and peace through Islam.God is my Lord.
Quote (bodhitharta @ June 27 2009,17:25) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 22 2009,14:19) Hi BD,
Tell us more.
Have you been reborn of water and the Spirit?If so why do you follow another master?
Yes, and God has led me to greater knowledge and peace through Islam.God is my Lord.
bd,
Paul said that all men are to confess that Jesus is Lord (Philippians 2). This condemns the Islamic “religion.”thinker
Quote (thethinker @ June 27 2009,20:04) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 27 2009,17:25) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 22 2009,14:19) Hi BD,
Tell us more.
Have you been reborn of water and the Spirit?If so why do you follow another master?
Yes, and God has led me to greater knowledge and peace through Islam.God is my Lord.
bd,
Paul said that all men are to confess that Jesus is Lord (Philippians 2). This condemns the Islamic “religion.”thinker
Philippians 1 (King James Version)2 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
First understand that Paul is not calling Jesus “God” and lord is a title of rank like leader or it can also mean owner such as landlord and of course if you are the follower of Christ he owns you hence you call him master. However, he is delivering you “to” someone and that someone is God Almighty unto All praise is due.
14And many of the brethren in the Lord, waxing confident by my bonds, are much more bold to speak the word without fear.
15Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:
16The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:
17But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.
18What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
Now as you can see here in the words of Paul that whether in pretense or in truth Christ is preached. How after this admission can you possibly say any of his statements condemn Islam when he is willing to lie to spread the Gospel
However, He still says after he tells them to confess that Jesus Christ is lord:
12 So that, my beloved, as ye always obey, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, with fear and trembling your own salvation work out,
Why is he telling them to work out there own salvation with fear and trembling after they have confessed Jesus is lord?
bodhitharta
Quote Now as you can see here in the words of Paul that whether in pretense or in truth Christ is preached. How after this admission can you possibly say any of his statements condemn Islam when he is willing to lie to spread the Gospel
One will plant seed, one will water, but God gives growth. I believe Paul rejoiced in the exposure of the name which he hoped would allow for some growth, but fail to see how he was willing to “lie”Wm
Quote (seekingtruth @ June 28 2009,05:33) bodhitharta Quote Now as you can see here in the words of Paul that whether in pretense or in truth Christ is preached. How after this admission can you possibly say any of his statements condemn Islam when he is willing to lie to spread the Gospel
One will plant seed, one will water, but God gives growth. I believe Paul rejoiced in the exposure of the name which he hoped would allow for some growth, but fail to see how he was willing to “lie”Wm
1 Corinthians 9 (Young's Literal Translation)19 for being free from all men, to all men I made myself servant, that the more I might gain;
20 and I became to the Jews as a Jew, that Jews I might gain; to those under law as under law, that those under law I might gain;
21 to those without law, as without law — (not being without law to God, but within law to Christ) — that I might gain those without law;
22I became to the infirm as infirm, that the infirm I might gain; to all men I have become all things, that by all means I may save some.
Do you see now that he was willing to lie?
2 Corinthians 12 (Young's Literal Translation)
16 And be it [so], I — I did not burden you, but being crafty, with guile I did take you;
Do you see it now?
Romans 3
7 for if the truth of God in my falsehood did more abound to His glory, why yet am I also as a sinner judged?
I'm pretty certain you have seen it now
Hi BD,
You do not seem to grasp the subtleties of Paul's speech and fall into the trap of condemning him for his irony.
Judge not God's faithful servant's as you will not be found close to their measure.Quote
1 Corinthians 9 (Young's Literal Translation)19 for being free from all men, to all men I made myself servant, that the more I might gain;
20 and I became to the Jews as a Jew, that Jews I might gain; to those under law as under law, that those under law I might gain;
21 to those without law, as without law — (not being without law to God, but within law to Christ) — that I might gain those without law;
22I became to the infirm as infirm, that the infirm I might gain; to all men I have become all things, that by all means I may save some.
Do you see now that he was willing to lie?
No, I see someone who says he will use that which can be shared as a platform to present Christ, instead of coming in both barrels firing as so many do today.Quote 2 Corinthians 12 (Young's Literal Translation)
16 And be it [so], I — I did not burden you, but being crafty, with guile I did take you;
Do you see it now?
No, I see someone being facetious (Def. Not meant to be taken seriously or literally; amusing or humorous)Quote Romans 3
7 for if the truth of God in my falsehood did more abound to His glory, why yet am I also as a sinner judged?
I'm pretty certain you have seen it now
No, facetiousMy opinion Wm
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 28 2009,06:44) Hi BD,
You do not seem to grasp the subtleties of Paul's speech and fall into the trap of condemning him for his irony.
Judge not God's faithful servant's as you will not be found close to their measure.
Romans 37 for if the truth of God in my falsehood did more abound to His glory, why yet am I also as a sinner judged?
How is that subtle?
Hi BD,
Exactly.
So why do you dare judge him?
He is proven but you trample what is good to serve your master?Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 28 2009,07:15) Hi BD,
Exactly.
So why do you dare judge him?
He is proven but you trample what is good to serve your master?
He is proven to be a deceiver.This is Jesus:
Matthew 10:7-9 (King James Version)
7And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
8Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
9Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,
This is Paul:
2 Corinthians 12 (Young's Literal Translation)
16And be it [so], I — I did not burden you, but being crafty, with guile I did take you;
17any one of those whom I have sent unto you — by him did I take advantage of you?
18I entreated Titus, and did send with [him] the brother; did Titus take advantage of you? in the same spirit did we not walk? — did we not in the same steps?
19Again, think ye that to you we are making defence? before God in Christ do we speak; and the all things, beloved, [are] for your up-building,
20for I fear lest, having come, not such as I wish I may find you, and I — I may be found by you such as ye do not wish, lest there be strifes, envyings, wraths, revelries, evil-speakings, whisperings, puffings up, insurrections,
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 28 2009,08:10) Hi BD,
If you judge Paul you judge the Lord Jesus in him.
Are you righteous enough to do so?
What do you mean in him?Was Jesus in paul? Did paul even quote any of the sayings of Jesus?
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