My fathers house

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 01 2009,16:32)

Hi BD,
All salvation is unearned and a free gift of God.
Best to grasp His promises rather than hope to be among those exceptions spared His wrath.

Didn't you just say

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All salvation is unearned and a free gift of God.

Your on the right path just keep going your almost there. Lest you boast of works

December 1, 2009 at 5:02 pm#161636

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 29 2009,08:24)

When Jesus says:

In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
John 14:1-3

How is it that most people believe that Jesus is saying that there is no way to God except through him?

Now in talking about Israel it is a “nation” but God speaks about Nations

Genesis 17 (King James Version)

4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.

bod

Abraham was the first to show faith in God, for this he is considered the father of the faithful, and without faith in Jesus Christ, no one will enter into the kingdom of God, Heb. 11:6, “without faith it is impossible to please God”.
God's covenant with Abraham was for him and his descendants, the Israelites, because of his faith, Heb. 11:17, a promise of physical blessings IF THEY OBEYED, which they did not.
Their disobedience however, did not cancel out the covenant God made with Abraham, Gen. 22:16-18.
Unless you except the sacrifice of Jesus as the atonement for your sins, God can not forgive you.

Georg

December 1, 2009 at 6:25 pm#161653

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Quote (banana @ Dec. 02 2009,04:02)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 29 2009,08:24)

When Jesus says:

In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
John 14:1-3

How is it that most people believe that Jesus is saying that there is no way to God except through him?

Now in talking about Israel it is a “nation” but God speaks about Nations

Genesis 17 (King James Version)

4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.

bod

Georg

You are wrong again according to the scriptures:

Romans 11:27-29 (King James Version)

27For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

God says clearly he will take away their sins although they do not believe in Jesus (enemies of the gospel)

God already loves those Jews who are righteous whether they accept Jesus or not because:

Romans 11 (King James Version)

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Therefore:

For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
Romans 11:31-33

December 1, 2009 at 7:47 pm#161672

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Hi BD,
Would you apply the promises given to Israel also to Islam?
By whose authority?

December 1, 2009 at 7:51 pm#161674

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Hi BD,
God has wonderful blessings in store for the faithful Jews.

December 1, 2009 at 7:56 pm#161675

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Hi BD,
The return of the gentile prodigal son did not remove the promised inheritance of the older son.[Lk15]

December 1, 2009 at 10:04 pm#161684

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 02 2009,06:47)

Hi BD,
Would you apply the promises given to Israel also to Islam?
By whose authority?

By the same authority that gave John the Baptist authority

December 1, 2009 at 10:06 pm#161685

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 02 2009,06:51)

Hi BD,
God has wonderful blessings in store for the faithful Jews.

Yes, even those who reject Jesus outright so half of your entire theology is wrong Nick because you told me that unless you come through Jesus you cannot get to God, yet the scriptures have shown you to be wrong and states that it is primarily because Jesus is rejected that you can now have salvation.

December 1, 2009 at 10:08 pm#161686

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 02 2009,06:56)

Hi BD,
The return of the gentile prodigal son did not remove the promised inheritance of the older son.[Lk15]

The gentile prodigal son?

No need to be creative here just accept what was written.

December 1, 2009 at 11:02 pm#161695

942767

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 02 2009,05:25)

Quote (banana @ Dec. 02 2009,04:02)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 29 2009,08:24)

When Jesus says:

In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
John 14:1-3

How is it that most people believe that Jesus is saying that there is no way to God except through him?

Now in talking about Israel it is a “nation” but God speaks about Nations

Genesis 17 (King James Version)

4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.

bod

Georg

You are wrong again according to the scriptures:

Romans 11:27-29 (King James Version)

27For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

God says clearly he will take away their sins although they do not believe in Jesus (enemies of the gospel)

God already loves those Jews who are righteous whether they accept Jesus or not because:

Romans 11 (King James Version)

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Therefore:

For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
Romans 11:31-33

Hi BD:

I believe that you are misunderstanding these scriptures. There are many Jews in this last day that have already believed. Those that believe will be saved. The deliverer will come from Zion and turn ungodliness away from Jacob.

No one will be saved unless they believe. This is what the Apostle Paul says in the following verse:

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Rom 11:23 And they also(that is Israel), if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

God has called them to repentance, and he has not changed His mind. They did not believe when Jesus preached to them, but the gospel is being preached to them as a nation again. That is one of the reasons that they exist as a nation again so that the gospel can be preached to them as a nation.

Love in Christ,
Marty

December 2, 2009 at 2:49 am#161717

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Quote (942767 @ Dec. 02 2009,10:02)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 02 2009,05:25)

Quote (banana @ Dec. 02 2009,04:02)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 29 2009,08:24)

When Jesus says:

In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
John 14:1-3

How is it that most people believe that Jesus is saying that there is no way to God except through him?

Now in talking about Israel it is a “nation” but God speaks about Nations

Genesis 17 (King James Version)

4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.

bod

Georg

You are wrong again according to the scriptures:

Romans 11:27-29 (King James Version)

27For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

God says clearly he will take away their sins although they do not believe in Jesus (enemies of the gospel)

God already loves those Jews who are righteous whether they accept Jesus or not because:

Romans 11 (King James Version)

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Therefore:

For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
Romans 11:31-33

Hi BD:

No one will be saved unless they believe. This is what the Apostle Paul says in the following verse:

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Rom 11:23 And they also(that is Israel), if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

Love in Christ,
Marty

Why do you read UNBELIEF as belief?

When will you see that growth comes from accepting what is actually being said and then dealing with it from there, if they were believing in Jesus they would not be ENEMIES of the GOSPEL would they?

Romans 11: (King James Version)

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

Please, really be honest take a deep breath and tell me that you see this for what it is. Then we can go further.

December 3, 2009 at 12:09 am#161829

942767

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 02 2009,13:49)

Quote (942767 @ Dec. 02 2009,10:02)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 02 2009,05:25)

Quote (banana @ Dec. 02 2009,04:02)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 29 2009,08:24)

When Jesus says:

In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
John 14:1-3

How is it that most people believe that Jesus is saying that there is no way to God except through him?

Now in talking about Israel it is a “nation” but God speaks about Nations

Genesis 17 (King James Version)

4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.

bod

Georg

You are wrong again according to the scriptures:

Romans 11:27-29 (King James Version)

27For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

God says clearly he will take away their sins although they do not believe in Jesus (enemies of the gospel)

God already loves those Jews who are righteous whether they accept Jesus or not because:

Romans 11 (King James Version)

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Therefore:

For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
Romans 11:31-33

Hi BD:

No one will be saved unless they believe. This is what the Apostle Paul says in the following verse:

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Rom 11:23 And they also(that is Israel), if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

Love in Christ,
Marty

Why do you read UNBELIEF as belief?

When will you see that growth comes from accepting what is actually being said and then dealing with it from there, if they were believing in Jesus they would not be ENEMIES of the GOSPEL would they?

Romans 11: (King James Version)

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

Please, really be honest take a deep breath and tell me that you see this for what it is. Then we can go further.

Hi BD:

Please read all of Chapter 11 in both the KJV and the NIV, and then we can discuss this.

You are trying to take this scripture out of context and you are misunderstanding what has been said.

I can assure you no one will be saved unless they believe. God's Word is consistent. He does not say the following:

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Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

And,

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2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth [will let], until he be taken out of the way.

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

2Th 2:9 [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

And,

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1Jo 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of hi
s Son.

1Jo 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

And,

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Jhn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

And having said all of the above, do you now think that he is going to make an exception for anyone?

Love in Christ,
Marty

December 4, 2009 at 3:12 pm#162071

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My fathers house:

Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you. . . Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Yeshua HaMoshiach answered him, Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now; but thou shalt follow me afterwards. John 13:33

For we know that if our earthly house of tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of 'elohim, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2Corinthians 5:1

For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker 'elohim. Hebrews 11:10

For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. And truly, if they had been mindful of that from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. But now they desire a better, that is, an heavenly: wherefore 'elohim is not ashamed to be called their 'elohim: for he hath prepared for them a city. Hebrews 11:14-16

For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come. Hebrews 13:14

Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my 'elohim, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my 'elohim, and the name of the city of my 'elohim, new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my 'elohim: and my new name. Revelation 3:12

To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. Revelation 3:21

And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from 'elohim out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. Revelation 21:2

And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from 'elohim, Having the glory of 'elohim: and her light like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; And had a wall great and high, had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates. And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof. And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred forty four cubits, the measure of a man, that is, of the angel. And the building of the wall of it was jasper: and the city [was] pure gold, like unto clear glass. And the foundations of the wall of the city garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald; The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst. And the twelve gates twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city pure gold, as it were transparent glass. And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord 'elohim Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither worketh abomination, or a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life. Revelation 21:10-27

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December 4, 2009 at 5:17 pm#162090

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Hi CON,
Indeed we can now be seated with the Lord Jesus in the heavenly places, even at the right hand of God in Christ.
But the millenial kingdom is on earth where King Jesus will rule.
The meek shall inherit the earth.

December 5, 2009 at 2:58 am#162228

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 29 2009,08:24)

When Jesus says:

In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
John 14:1-3

How is it that most people believe that Jesus is saying that there is no way to God except through him?

Now in talking about Israel it is a “nation” but God speaks about Nations

Genesis 17 (King James Version)

4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.

bod

This mansion is for the saints of the first resurrection only, they are spirit beings, and so will be the mansion they will occupy.

Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

God's kingdom is a spiritual kingdom, which we humans won't be able to see.

Rev 21:16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.

In my foot notes it says, this city is 1500 miles square and high, you have to admit, no human would be able to live 1500 miles up; I also think that this would be big enough to give every saint a nice office. Not to mention the fact that this city would not fit into the land of Israel.

As for Jesus the only way, if you don't except his sacrifice, there is no forgiveness for your sins, no forgiveness, no eternal life.
Abraham is considered the father of the faithful, we all have to become faithful followers.

Georg

December 5, 2009 at 2:59 am#162230

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 04 2009,09:17)

Yes, the New Earth.

December 5, 2009 at 3:27 am#162243

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Quote (banana @ Dec. 05 2009,13:58)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 29 2009,08:24)

When Jesus says:

In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
John 14:1-3

How is it that most people believe that Jesus is saying that there is no way to God except through him?

Now in talking about Israel it is a “nation” but God speaks about Nations

Genesis 17 (King James Version)

4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.

bod

This mansion is for the saints of the first resurrection only, they are spirit beings, and so will be the mansion they will occupy.

Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

God's kingdom is a spiritual kingdom, which we humans won't be able to see.

Georg

That's not what it says in romans at all.

As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
Romans 11:27-29

It clearly says that those who don't believe in the Gospel but believe in God according to the Faith of the Jews will still be saved.

For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
Romans 11:31-33

Every time I post this scripture everyone wants to suddenly ignore the thread knowing what it says is clear.

December 5, 2009 at 3:56 am#162251

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 02 2009,05:25)

Quote (banana @ Dec. 02 2009,04:02)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 29 2009,08:24)

When Jesus says:

In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
John 14:1-3

How is it that most people believe that Jesus is saying that there is no way to God except through him?

Now in talking about Israel it is a “nation” but God speaks about Nations

Genesis 17 (King James Version)

4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.

bod

Georg

You are wrong again according to the scriptures:

Romans 11:27-29 (King James Version)

27For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

God says clearly he will take away their sins although they do not believe in Jesus (enemies of the gospel)

God already loves those Jews who are righteous whether they accept Jesus or not because:

Romans 11 (King James Version)

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Therefore:

For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
Romans 11:31-33

bod

So what is wrong with what I said?
The scriptures you gave only show God's unchanging covenant with his people, the Israelites, that has nothing to do with the covenant that he “WILL” make with them.
That covenant won't be made before the millennium, it will be made when Christ begins to rule.

Georg

December 5, 2009 at 4:01 am#162252