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Marlin1.
1 Corinthians 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
1 Corinthians 12:29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
1 Corinthians 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
1 Corinthians 12:31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
wakeup.
Quote 1 Corinthians 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. 1 Corinthians 12:29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
1 Corinthians 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
1 Corinthians 12:31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
wakeup.
Hi Brother Wakeup,
Which office did Peter or Paul not work in?
From my understanding of Apostle, (means one sent)
Prophet, (seer of events)
Teacher, (one that teaches)
Worker of Miracles, (one that does miracles)
All are done by the same Spirit in a person. All could be done by one person, for it is the same Spirit.
Jesus displayed all the gifts and so did Peter, Paul and others.Prophets came after John, Not old testament law Prophets, but new testament Prophets, Starting with the God Prophet, Jesus.
Rev 10:7 says that the mystery of God would be finished(revealed) when the 7th angel sounds and goes on to say that this angel is a PROPHET. (end time prophet)
Mal 4:5 God said that He would send Elijah(Spirit of) back right before the earth burnt and he would turn the hearts of the children (US) back to the fathers (1st church).
Elijah was born a Prophet, John was born a Prophet and this man will also be born a Prophet, (just like the evidence shows he was.)All scripture has to line up from A to Z.
God Bless
bro. MarlinMarlin1, It has nothing to do with vindication. I believe in him and John G Lake, Smith Wigglesworth etc.,but we are not suppose to raise up any man to think more highly of him than any other, or exalt one above another.
Those who are called, are by God, and should do those things he or she is called to do without the praise of men.
Seems more people are followers of men than God.
I do respect men or women who follow God and do what their called to do, I just don't look to them like I look to God.Men will let you down, God wont.
Like John said, (as even Jesus said no greater prophet was john) “I must decrease and He must increase”.
Quote (Marlin1 @ Dec. 29 2012,07:02) Quote 1 Corinthians 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. 1 Corinthians 12:29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
1 Corinthians 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
1 Corinthians 12:31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
wakeup.
Hi Brother Wakeup,
Which office did Peter or Paul not work in?
From my understanding of Apostle, (means one sent)
Prophet, (seer of events)
Teacher, (one that teaches)
Worker of Miracles, (one that does miracles)
All are done by the same Spirit in a person. All could be done by one person, for it is the same Spirit.
Jesus displayed all the gifts and so did Peter, Paul and others.Prophets came after John, Not old testament law Prophets, but new testament Prophets, Starting with the God Prophet, Jesus.
Rev 10:7 says that the mystery of God would be finished(revealed) when the 7th angel sounds and goes on to say that this angel is a PROPHET. (end time prophet)
Mal 4:5 God said that He would send Elijah(Spirit of) back right before the earth burnt and he would turn the hearts of the children (US) back to the fathers (1st church).
Elijah was born a Prophet, John was born a Prophet and this man will also be born a Prophet, (just like the evidence shows he was.)All scripture has to line up from A to Z.
God Bless
bro. Marlin
Marlin1.Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, AS HE HATH DECLARED TO HIS SERVANTS THE PROPHETS.
As he had declared to his servants the PROPHETS.
It was the prophets that did the prophesying;not the healers,or the speakers in tongue.It was declared to the prophets.ALL THAT HAS BEEN PROPHESIED,BY THE PROPHETS WILL BE FULFILLED AT THE 7TH TRUMPET.
ELIJAH AND MOSES ARE NOT NEW PROPHETS.
THEY ARE PROPHETS OF OLD,WILL BE BROUGHT BACK IN THE LAST DAY.The prophets are untill John; THESE ARE JESUS OWN WORDS; IT CAN NOT BE CHANGED TO MEAN DIFFERENT.
wakeup.
Quote Marlin1, It has nothing to do with vindication. I believe in him and John G Lake, Smith Wigglesworth etc.,but we are not suppose to raise up any man to think more highly of him than any other, or exalt one above another. Those who are called, are by God, and should do those things he or she is called to do without the praise of men.
Seems more people are followers of men than God.
I do respect men or women who follow God and do what their called to do, I just don't look to them like I look to God.Men will let you down, God wont.
Like John said, (as even Jesus said no greater prophet was john) “I must decrease and He must increase”.
Hello Brother Rich,
Thank you very much for your input.
My brother it has everything to do with vindication. For the true Gospel comes not in Word only, but in Power and demonstration of the Holy Ghost, which is vindication.It wasn't the preaching that drew people to Jesus. It was the vindication from God, when He started preaching a lot of people quit following. NO ONE understood the preaching that Jesus brought. But they knew that only God could know the thoughts and intents of the heart. So His message was contrary to everything they had ever known, yet by the vindication, they knew He came from God.
It is very true that God is no respecter of persons. He chooses who He wants to do what He wants done. And who are we to question His choices, do we know better then God.
You are correct in that we are not to exult man, yet Paul said to follow me asI follow Christ. It is not the man that we should see when someone is healed or we are touched by the message given. It was God that did the healing and God that touched us, even if the channel He used was through the man.
God has always use certain men that He chooses, so the common understanding of 'God is no respecter of persons' is wrong.
The truth is God will choose who He will choose without reguard, (respect of persons), of who that person is.Our unchanging God sent a prophet with the Spirit of Elijah to announce His first Coming.
And Just as He said He would, that same unchanging God sent a prophet with the Spirit of Elijah to announce His second coming. His mission was to bring back the TRUE WORD that had been so deluded by the churches.There is but one TRUTH and that truth is JESUS CHRIST.
God Bless
bro. MarlinQuote Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, AS HE HATH DECLARED TO HIS SERVANTS THE PROPHETS. As he had declared to his servants the PROPHETS.
It was the prophets that did the prophesying;not the healers,or the speakers in tongue.It was declared to the prophets.ALL THAT HAS BEEN PROPHESIED,BY THE PROPHETS WILL BE FULFILLED AT THE 7TH TRUMPET.
ELIJAH AND MOSES ARE NOT NEW PROPHETS.
THEY ARE PROPHETS OF OLD,WILL BE BROUGHT BACK IN THE LAST DAY.The prophets are untill John; THESE ARE JESUS OWN WORDS; IT CAN NOT BE CHANGED TO MEAN DIFFERENT.
wakeup.
Sorry my brother, I am in disagreement here with your understanding.
The Spirit of Elijah came on John and John was a Prophet.
That Spirit comes 5 times on a son of man(Prophet)
Five time is the number of GRACE.Look at verse 4
REV 10:4 † And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.These thunders were sealed up until the last days and then reveal by a prophet. v10.
Also in Daniel
DANIEL 12:4 † But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.The Word comes to the Prophet and from him to the people.
AMOS 3:7 † Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.MATTHEW 7:12, MATTHEW 22:40, JOHN 1:45, ACTS 13:15, ROMANS 3:21
These scriptures all talk about the Law and the Prophets. The 'Law and the Prophets' was a saying that you have twisted into something that it is not.ACTS 13:15 † And after the reading of the 'law and the prophets' …..
It is what they did every Sabbath day. And it was until John, after that it was Grace.That is the very reason that God had to send a Prophet in this last day. That all may know the truth, so that we would not lean on our own understanding and so that we might be made free. For only the Truth will set man Free.
God Bless
bro. MarlinMarlin1.
As far as I know,we have the old testament;the new testament consisting of the gospels and the book of revelation,and no more.
There will be no more added in the last days.
all is complete.The 7 thunders is not to be recorded ,because we must find what the thunders are. Seek and you will find.
As history unfolds,knowledge will increase.
wakeup.
Quote As far as I know,we have the old testament;the new testament consisting of the gospels and the book of revelation,and no more.
There will be no more added in the last days.
all is complete.The 7 thunders is not to be recorded ,because we must find what the thunders are. Seek and you will find.
As history unfolds,knowledge will increase.
wakeup.
Brother Wakeup,
We also have all the letters written to the churches.
You are correct, NOTHING can be ADDED to or TAKEN FROM. It is all there, just like it was when Jesus walked on the earth. It was just the peoples understanding of what was there that was wrong.
And it is the same this day.Jesus said he would come, Mal said he would come, Rev said he would come, Danial said he would come. So he had to come to fulfill the Word.
The seven thunders must be revealed in the last day for God never changes His ways and God is true and He said He would reveal it by a Prophet and He did exactly as He said He would.
And holding true to form, just like in the past, the people missed it or denied it.
The knowledge that is increasing for MOST PEOPLE is from the TREE of KNOWLEDGE. For in this Age God is kicked outside the Church and the people are poor, blind, naked and DON'T EVEN KNOW IT.
Rev 3:17-20God Bless
bro. MarlinMarlin1.
There is no scripture saying that a prophet will reveal the 7 thunders?
Can you show me?wakeup.
Quote There is no scripture saying that a prophet will reveal the 7 thunders?
Can you show me?wakeup.
Brother Wakeup,
I believe that we both would agree that the seven thunders are a sealed up mystery, right?
Just three verses down, it says when the seventh angel begins to sound the MYSTERY of God should be FINISHED, as He tells it to His Prophet.
Most people think He will just show it to each of us, and that is why we are in such a messed up state today.
Remember Amos 3:7, He reveals His secrets,(Mysteries) to HIS PROPHETS.
So yes, I can see where scripture says the mystery of the seven thunders would be and have been revealed.
HEB 4:12 † For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
The woman at the well recognized this in Jesus. John 4
Nathanael recognized this in Jesus. John 1:48Only God can reveal the thoughts and intents of the heart, without fail.
To prove that I sent you, you will be given two signs. (1) A sign in the hand and (2) the thoughts and intents of the heart. Thousands upon thousands of times and it was always 'Thus saith the LORD', without fail.
He was born a Prophet, and he cried and cried, COME OUT of HER and be not partakers of HER SINS, Come back to the WORD.
God Bless
bro. MarlinMarlin1.
QUOTE:
Jesus said he would come, Mal said he would come, Rev said he would come, Danial said he would come. So he had to come to fulfill the Word.The seven thunders must be revealed in the last day for God never changes His ways and God is true and He said He would reveal it by a Prophet and He did exactly as He said He would.UNQUOTE:
1. WHO IS HE THAT WOULD COME.(Elijah?).
2. THE 7THUNDERS HAS BEEN REVEALED,ITS ONLY THAT MOST CAN NOT SEE,AND UNDERSTAND.
wakeup.
Quote Jesus said he would come, Mal said he would come, Rev said he would come, Danial said he would come. So he had to come to fulfill the Word. The seven thunders must be revealed in the last day for God never changes His ways and God is true and He said He would reveal it by a Prophet and He did exactly as He said He would.UNQUOTE:
1. WHO IS HE THAT WOULD COME.(Elijah?).
2. THE 7THUNDERS HAS BEEN REVEALED,ITS ONLY THAT MOST CAN NOT SEE,AND UNDERSTAND.
wakeup.
Hi Brother Wakeup,
MAT 17:12 † But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not,…….
13 † Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.It was NOT the man, Elijah, It was the spirit of Elijah on a man named John.
Do you Agree?Now look at this, Jesus spoke of another Elijah that would come and Restore All Things.
MAT 17:11 † And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.We know that John didn't restore all things, in fact he only introduced water baptism and he introduced Jesus.
He couldn't have restored the Gospel, Jesus hadn't even given it yet.Jesus was speaking of the same spirit on John, to come again in the end times.
Also Jesus said in Luke,
LUKE 17:25 † But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.
26 † And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
27 † They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
28 † Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 † But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 † Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.In the day of Noah, most of the people just did their own thing, just too busy to receive the Truth from God, Just like now
In the day of Lot, sexual perversion was the in thing, Just like todayThis Son of man,(a Prophet) will come with the spirit of Elijah.
You said, 2. THE 7THUNDERS HAS BEEN REVEALED,ITS ONLY THAT MOST CAN NOT SEE,AND UNDERSTAND.
I have three observations of your statement.
1) They were sealed by God, how is it you were able to unseal them, Amos 3:7, are you a prophet?
2) I did a search on line, and there were many different answers, one believes this, one believes that, a Babylon of Confusion.3) Did God lie in verse 10? I don't believe He did, He said a Prophet would reveal all.
God Bless
bro. MarlinMarlin.
Again;read carefully.
1. the 7thunders was not sealed to all,because John heard it, but the angel said ; DONT WRITE IT DOWN.Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin TO SOUND, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
Here is the clue.
Revelation 6:1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of THUNDER, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.
wakeup.
Marlin.
No;God did not lie.
John ate the book and it became part of him.
And he did prophecy; to many nations, and tongues.
We are reading his book arent we? We are learning of his book are we not?wakeup.
Quote Again;read carefully.
1. the 7thunders was not sealed to all,because John heard it, but the angel said ; DONT WRITE IT DOWN.Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin TO SOUND, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
Here is the clue.
Revelation 6:1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of THUNDER, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.
wakeup.
Hi Brother Wakeup,
1) Where are you able to read that these seven thunders are not sealed to all, except John?
John was told not to write what the thunders said?
Verse 7, says the 7th angel will reveal them.2) Yes, when the 7th angel begins to sound, the mystery should be finished. It doesn't say John will reveal, in fact he is told not to write what is said.
3) I agree, John wrote what He saw, not what was spoken. And these have been poked at and prodded at, but not until the 7th angel were they known for sure, Then it was “Thus Saith the Lord”
Quote No;God did not lie.
John ate the book and it became part of him.
And he did prophecy; to many nations, and tongues.
We are reading his book arent we? We are learning of his book are we not?wakeup.
Brother, are you trying to say that John was this 7th angel of 10:7?
He that reads or even hears is blessed, but does that change anything with the 7th angel (a prophet)?
We have tried and tried to understand, yet have we? I think not, until the 7th angel came.
God Bless
bro. MarlinMarlin.
We can work out the 7thunders by making sense.
They obviously are the 7 seals.
When the 7seales are opened the MYSTERY IS FINISHED.In the 6th seal contains the 6 trumpets,and the 7th trumpet is the coming.
Only with the opening of the first seal was the thunder recorded. It was purposely not recorded with the next 6 seals,this is for us to find out.
You obviously have not discovered that.
wakeup.
Quote
1) We can work out the 7thunders by making sense.2) They obviously are the 7 seals.
3) When the 7seales are opened the MYSTERY IS FINISHED.
4) In the 6th seal contains the 6 trumpets,and the 7th trumpet is the coming.
5) Only with the opening of the first seal was the thunder recorded.
6) It was purposely not recorded with the next 6 seals,this is for us to find out.
7) You obviously have not discovered that.
wakeup.
Brother Wakeup,
HAPPY NEW YEAR !!!!!!!!!!
I have numbered your statements 1-7
1) I disagree, we don't ever get the whole true of God's Word, by what makes sense to us. We get a mixed tree, some correct and some false.
2) I agree they are the seven seal, I don't believe that everybody see that, so I am not sure how obvious that is.
3) Correct and they have been opened by the one that God sent to open them. Rev 10:7
4) Agreed
5) True
6) This is for God to reveal to His prophet of Rev 10:7 and he will give it to the people. And God will confirm to us that it is truth. Remember after this Prophet shall the earth be burnt (Mal 4:5) and I will do nothing until I have revealed my secrets to my servants the Prophets. Amos3:7
7) Precept upon precept, line upon line.
The message to the true church (bride of Christ) ends with the 4th seal.
This has been a good discussion brother
God Bless
bro. MarlinMarlin1.
I disagree about the earth will be burned after the prophet.
Because the kingdom will be setup in israel, soon after the coming. It will be a 100yr kingdom,to teach the gospels to the jews.Without satan roaming around,because he will be lockedup.
The teaching will be done by the resurrected saints,and the jews will spread it to the gentiles outside the kingdom.
And amongst the gentiles will also be the so called christians,that did not make it in the first resurrection,but survived armageddon.For they are shut out from the kingdom.There will be gnashing of teeth.
wakeup.
Quote
1) I disagree about the earth will be burned after the prophet.2) Because the kingdom will be setup in israel, soon after the coming.
3) It will be a 100yr kingdom,to teach the gospels to the jews.
Without satan roaming around,because he will be lockedup.The teaching will be done by the resurrected saints,and the jews will spread it to the gentiles outside the kingdom.
And amongst the gentiles will also be the so called christians,that did not make it in the first resurrection,but survived armageddon.For they are shut out from the kingdom.There will be gnashing of teeth.
wakeup.
1) I think we are talking about two different burnings. The burning of Mal 4:5 will not bring in a new heaven and earth, it will not kill all people. It will be more like world war III. This will come after this prophet comes, and he has come.
2) I agree, His kingdom will be setup on the earth for 1000 years.
3) Did you mean 100 or 1000 here?
I am not sure where you get that people will be saved during the 1000 year reign. satan will be bound, so the deceiving spirits will be gone. So all will follow Jesus, it is not until after the 1000 years that satan is loosed to deceive again. And then people turn from God, because the deceiver is back.
The 1000 years will be a time of peace and great joy. I don't believe there will even be very many people on the earth at the beginning of this period, but people will multiply during this time. But they will not be tested until after the 1000 years is over.
I am not sure where or what or how sinful flesh plays in this, Do you know?
God Bless
bro. MarlinQuote (Marlin1 @ Jan. 02 2013,09:03) Quote
1) I disagree about the earth will be burned after the prophet.2) Because the kingdom will be setup in israel, soon after the coming.
3) It will be a 100yr kingdom,to teach the gospels to the jews.
Without satan roaming around,because he will be lockedup.The teaching will be done by the resurrected saints,and the jews will spread it to the gentiles outside the kingdom.
And amongst the gentiles will also be the so called christians,that did not make it in the first resurrection,but survived armageddon.For they are shut out from the kingdom.There will be gnashing of teeth.
wakeup.
1) I think we are talking about two different burnings. The burning of Mal 4:5 will not bring in a new heaven and earth, it will not kill all people. It will be more like world war III. This will come after this prophet comes, and he has come.
2) I agree, His kingdom will be setup on the earth for 1000 years.
3) Did you mean 100 or 1000 here?
I am not sure where you get that people will be saved during the 1000 year reign. satan will be bound, so the deceiving spirits will be gone. So all will follow Jesus, it is not until after the 1000 years that satan is loosed to deceive again. And then people turn from God, because the deceiver is back.
The 1000 years will be a time of peace and great joy. I don't believe there will even be very many people on the earth at the beginning of this period, but people will multiply during this time. But they will not be tested until after the 1000 years is over.
I am not sure where or what or how sinful flesh plays in this, Do you know?
God Bless
bro. Marlin
Marlin.First of all: I found the one zero missing; in my pocket.
It should have been 1000yrs, not 100yrs reign.
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Daniel 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the HORN spake: I beheld even till the BEAST was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
(THE FALSE PROPHET(little horn)(son of perdition)AND HIS EMPIRE(beast) CAST IN THE FIRE)at the coming.(REV.19:20).Daniel 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their DOMINION TAKEN AWAY: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.(THEIR RULE TAKEN AWAY,BUT LIVES PROLONGED).
WHAT REST OF THE BEAST?? THE EMPIRES ARE NO MORE,BUT THE REST OF THE SMALLER NATIONS ARE NOT PURPOSELY DESTROYED. THEIR LIVES WILL BE PROLONGED. THEY ALSO WILL LEARN AND ACCEPT JESUS.
But some wont.Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man(JESUS) came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days(GOD), and they brought him(JESUS) near before him.
Daniel 7:14 And there was GIVEN HIM DOMINION, and glory, and A KINGDOM, that all people, *NATIONS*, and LANGUAGE, should SERVE HIM: his DOMINION is an everlasting DOMINION, which shall not pass away, and his KINGDOM that which shall not be destroyed.
(NOTICE THERE ARE NATIONS).(THIS WILL BE HIS FIRST DOMINION FOR A 1000YRS).
(Micah 4:8).Satan will be locked up at the coming,not before the coming.(NOTICE ONLY THE BEAST AND THE FALSE PROPHET WILL BE CAST IN THE FIRE;AND NOT SATAN AND HIS ANGELS).BECAUSE SATAN WILL BE LOCKED UP,AND HIS ANGELS STILL FREE.
Satans ANGELS are still roaming free for another 1000yrs.
God needs them to provide resistance in the days of the preaching.wakeup.
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