Muslims teach differently than bodhitharta

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ April 15 2012,16:49)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 15 2012,13:49) Quote (Ed J @ April 15 2012,10:02) Quote (Ed J @ April 15 2012,07:47) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 15 2012,07:22)    He has taken neither a wife nor a son.   How does one 'take a son'?    …please explain? Hi BD, Now that I answered your question, will you please answer mine?               How does one go about 'taking a son'? B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā) עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34) Yu didn't answer my question Now will you answer my question?

How do you take a wife?

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 16 2012,07:04)

Quote (Ed J @ April 15 2012,16:49) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 15 2012,13:49) Quote (Ed J @ April 15 2012,10:02) Quote (Ed J @ April 15 2012,07:47) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 15 2012,07:22)    He has taken neither a wife nor a son.   How does one 'take a son'?    …please explain? Hi BD, Now that I answered your question, will you please answer mine?               How does one go about 'taking a son'? B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā) עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34) Yu didn't answer my question Now will you answer my question? How do you take a wife?

Why do you keep trying to get me to answer the questions that I ask YOU?

You take a wife by getting married. Now answer the question…

How does one take a son?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ April 16 2012,07:19)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 16 2012,07:04) Quote (Ed J @ April 15 2012,16:49) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 15 2012,13:49) Quote (Ed J @ April 15 2012,10:02) Quote (Ed J @ April 15 2012,07:47) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 15 2012,07:22)    He has taken neither a wife nor a son.   How does one 'take a son'?    …please explain? Hi BD, Now that I answered your question, will you please answer mine?               How does one go about 'taking a son'? B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā) עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34) Yu didn't answer my question Now will you answer my question? How do you take a wife? Why do you keep trying to get me to answer the questions that I ask YOU? You take a wife by getting married. Now answer the question… How does one take a son?

By becoming married and begetting a son

[Wakeup]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 05 2012,22:58)

Quote (TimothyVI @ Jan. 05 2012,21:50)  “But the Lord hardened Pharaoh’s heart, and he would not let the Israelites go.” Exodus 10:20 Hi Tim, That is one of BD tactics: he disregards God's word, when it does not line up with the 'book of fraud'. Thanks for posting this! B'shem YHVH

Hi EDJ.

The muslems teaches that it is alright to lie if it is for their good purpose.
Is it possible that he is of one of their agents?

wakeup.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Wakeup @ April 20 2012,11:07)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 05 2012,22:58) Quote (TimothyVI @ Jan. 05 2012,21:50)  “But the Lord hardened Pharaoh’s heart, and he would not let the Israelites go.” Exodus 10:20 Hi Tim, That is one of BD tactics: he disregards God's word, when it does not line up with the 'book of fraud'. Thanks for posting this! B'shem YHVH Hi EDJ. The muslems teaches that it is alright to lie if it is for their good purpose. Is it possible that he is of one of their agents? wakeup.

Dude, Seriously?

First of all Muslimsare not taught to lie second of all everyone will lie if it is for their good purpose.

Your Bible has stories of this Abraham told someone that his wife was his sister.

There is the story of one of the tribes who's sister was seduced and they lied to the man who dishonoured her so that they could kill all of the men in that town

there is also the story of the harlot who lied so that the spies of Israel would not be discovered and God called what she did good.

So once again you not knowing what is good and what is bad reflects your lack of understanding the things of God and oh by the way my favorite:

Romans 3:7
For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?

This is why I keep telling you guys read the Bible before you Judge someone elses book or belief. You will not even find such a statement in the Quran.

So are you saying it's okay for Christians to Lie? Romans 3:7 seems to support the idea if it's for a good reason

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 23 2012,07:58)

Dude, Seriously? First of all Muslimsare not taught to lie second of all everyone will lie if it is for their good purpose.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ May 03 2012,05:44)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 23 2012,07:58) Dude, Seriously? First of all Muslimsare not taught to lie second of all everyone will lie if it is for their good purpose.

If you refuse to study the Quran before you make blank accusations then I am all but finish with you.

My Wife was right when she said I spend way too much time on the nonbelievers.

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ May 03 2012,13:23)

My Wife was right when she said I spend way too much time on the nonbelievers.

Hi BD,

You mean like Stuart and Tim?

B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)

[Wakeup]

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 23 2012,07:58)

Quote (Wakeup @ April 20 2012,11:07) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 05 2012,22:58) Quote (TimothyVI @ Jan. 05 2012,21:50)  “But the Lord hardened Pharaoh’s heart, and he would not let the Israelites go.” Exodus 10:20 Hi Tim, That is one of BD tactics: he disregards God's word, when it does not line up with the 'book of fraud'. Thanks for posting this! B'shem YHVH Hi EDJ. The muslems teaches that it is alright to lie if it is for their good purpose. Is it possible that he is of one of their agents? wakeup. Dude, Seriously? First of all Muslimsare not taught to lie second of all everyone will lie if it is for their good purpose. Your Bible has stories of this Abraham told someone that his wife was his sister. There is the story of one of the tribes who's sister was seduced and they lied to the man who dishonoured her so that they could kill all of the men in that town there is also the story of the harlot who lied so that the spies of Israel would not be discovered and God called what she did good. So once again you not knowing what is good and what is bad reflects your lack of understanding the things of God and oh by the way my favorite: Romans 3:7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner? This is why I keep telling you guys read the Bible before you Judge someone elses book or belief. You will not even find such a statement in the Quran. So are you saying it's okay for Christians to Lie? Romans 3:7 seems to support the idea if it's for a good reason

B.tharta.

Abraham did lie about his wife,but that was Abraham.
It is not written in the scriptures to lie.
But it is in the qur'an,that you can lie as long as it is in the benefit of islam.

wakeup.

[Ed J]

Hi Wakeup,

Sarah was Abraham's “HALF SISTER” and his wife.
He did NOT lie to Pharaoh, he told a half truth.
In Hebrew a half brother is considered a “FULL BROTHER”.

So technically Abraham did not lie, and he certainly DID NOT bear false witness either!

“I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.”  –  Jesus

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 23 2012,02:58)

Quote (Wakeup @ April 20 2012,11:07) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 05 2012,22:58) Quote (TimothyVI @ Jan. 05 2012,21:50)  “But the Lord hardened Pharaoh’s heart, and he would not let the Israelites go.” Exodus 10:20 Hi Tim, That is one of BD tactics: he disregards God's word, when it does not line up with the 'book of fraud'. Thanks for posting this! B'shem YHVH Hi EDJ. The muslems teaches that it is alright to lie if it is for their good purpose. Is it possible that he is of one of their agents? wakeup. Dude, Seriously? First of all Muslimsare not taught to lie second of all everyone will lie if it is for their good purpose. Your Bible has stories of this Abraham told someone that his wife was his sister. There is the story of one of the tribes who's sister was seduced and they lied to the man who dishonoured her so that they could kill all of the men in that town there is also the story of the harlot who lied so that the spies of Israel would not be discovered and God called what she did good. So once again you not knowing what is good and what is bad reflects your lack of understanding the things of God and oh by the way my favorite: Romans 3:7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner? This is why I keep telling you guys read the Bible before you Judge someone elses book or belief. You will not even find such a statement in the Quran. So are you saying it's okay for Christians to Lie? Romans 3:7 seems to support the idea if it's for a good reason

bod

you are so far from the truth that your earth has turned black'

you have teach and twisted the truth of God in a way that make you a pagan ;

Ro 3:5 But if our unrighteousness brings out God’s righteousness more clearly, what shall we say? That God is unjust in bringing his wrath on us? (I am using a human argument.)
Ro 3:6 Certainly not! If that were so, how could God judge the world?
Ro 3:7 Someone might argue, “If my falsehood enhances God’s truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?”
Ro 3:8 Why not say—as we are being slanderously reported as saying and as some claim that we say—“Let us do evil that good may result”? Their condemnation is deserved.

Islam are pagan that is why you do not care about lies,cheeting,corruption ,and what not ??, so you are a deceiver and a son of the great deceiver

[terraricca]

bod

Surah An-Nur (The Light)

1. (This is) a Surah (chapter of the Qur'an) which We have sent down and which We have enjoined, (ordained its legal laws) and in it We have revealed manifest Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations lawful and unlawful things, and set boundries of Islamic Religion), that you may remember.

2. The woman and the man guilty of illegal sexual intercourse, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not pity withhold you in their case, in a punishment prescribed by Allah, if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a party of the believers witness their punishment. (This punishment is for unmarried persons guilty of the above crime but if married persons commit it, the punishment is to stone them to death, according to Allah's Law).

3. The adulterer marries not but an adulteress or a Mushrikah and the adulteress none marries her except an adulterer or a Muskrik [and that means that the man who agrees to marry (have a sexual relation with) a Mushrikah (female polytheist, pagan or idolatress) or a prostitute, then surely he is either an adulterer, or a Mushrik (polytheist, pagan or idolater, etc.) And the woman who agrees to marry (have a sexual relation with) a Mushrik (polytheist, pagan or idolater) or an adulterer, then she is either a prostitute or a Mushrikah (female polytheist, pagan, or idolatress, etc.)]. Such a thing is forbidden to the believers (of Islamic Monotheism).

4. And those who accuse chaste women, and produce not four witnesses, flog them with eighty stripes, and reject their testimony forever, they indeed are the Fasiqun (liars, rebellious, disobedient to Allah).

5. Except those who repent thereafter and do righteous deeds, (for such) verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

6. And for those who accuse their wives, but have no witnesses except themselves, let the testimony of one of them be four testimonies (i.e. testifies four times) by Allah that he is one of those who speak the truth.

7. And the fifth (testimony) (should be) the invoking of the Curse of Allah on him if he be of those who tell a lie (against her).

8. But it shall avert the punishment (of stoning to death) from her, if she bears witness four times by Allah, that he (her husband) is telling a lie.

9. And the fifth (testimony) should be that the Wrath of Allah be upon her if he (her husband) speaks the truth.

10. And had it not been for the Grace of Allah and His Mercy on you (He would have hastened the punishment upon you)! And that Allah is the One Who accepts repentance, the All-Wise.

11. Verily! Those who brought forth the slander (against 'Aishah (may Allah be pleased with her) the wife of the Prophet ) are a group among you. Consider it not a bad thing for you. Nay, it is good for you. Unto every man among them will be paid that which he had earned of the sin, and as for him among them who had the greater share therein, his will be a great torment.

12. Why then, did not the believers, men and women, when you heard it (the slander) think good of their own people and say: “This (charge) is an obvious lie?”

13. Why did they not produce four witnesses? Since they (the slanderers) have not produced witnesses! Then with Allah they are the liars.

14. Had it not been for the Grace of Allah and His Mercy unto you in this world and in the Hereafter, a great torment would have touched you for that whereof you had spoken.

15. When you were propagating it with your tongues, and uttering with your mouths that whereof you had no knowledge, you counted it a little thing, while with Allah it was very great.

16. And why did you not, when you heard it, say? “It is not right for us to speak of this. Glory be to You (O Allah) this is a great lie.”

17. Allah forbids you from it and warns you not to repeat the like of it forever, if you are believers.

18. And Allah makes the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) plain to you, and Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.

19. Verily, those who like that (the crime of) illegal sexual intercourse should be propagated among those who believe, they will have a painful torment in this world and in the Hereafter. And Allah knows and you know not.

20. And had it not been for the Grace of Allah and His Mercy on you, (Allah would have hastened the punishment upon you). And that Allah is full of kindness, Most Merciful.

21. O you who believe! Follow not the footsteps of Shaitan (Satan). And whosoever follows the footsteps of Shaitan (Satan), then, verily he commands Al-Fahsha' , and Al-Munkar [disbelief and polytheism (i.e. to do evil and wicked deeds; to speak or to do what is forbidden in Islam, etc.)]. And had it not been for the Grace of Allah and His Mercy on you, not one of you would ever have been pure from sins. But Allah purifies (guides to Islam) whom He wills, and Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower.

22. And let not those among you who are blessed with graces and wealth swear not to give (any sort of help) to their kinsmen, Al-Masakin (the poor), and those who left their homes for Allah's Cause. Let them pardon and forgive. Do you not love that Allah should forgive you? And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

23. Verily, those who accuse chaste women, who never even think of anything touching their chastity and are good believers, are cursed in this life and in the Hereafter, and for them will be a great torment,

24. On the Day when their tongues, their hands, and their legs or feet will bear witness against them as to what they used to do.

25. On that Day Allah will pay them the recompense of their deeds in full, and they will know that Allah, He is the Manifest Truth.

26. Bad statements are for bad people (or bad women for bad men) and bad people for bad statements (or bad men for bad women). Good statements are for good people (or good women for good men) and good people for good statements (or good men for good women), such (good people) are innocent of (each and every) bad statement which they say, for them is Forgiveness, and Rizqun Karim (generous provision i.e.Paradise).

27. O you who believe! Enter not houses other than your own, until you have asked permission and greeted those in them, that is better for you, in order that you may remember.

28. And if you find no one therein, still, enter not until permission has been given. And if you are asked to go back, go back, for it is purer for you, and Allah is All-Knower of what you do.

29. There is no sin on you that you enter (without taking permission) houses uninhabited (i.e. not possessed by anybody), (when) you have any interest in them. And Allah has knowledge of what you reveal and what you conceal.

30. Tell the believing men to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc.). That is purer for them. Verily, Allah is All-Aware of what they do.

31. And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc.) and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent (like palms of hands or one eye or both eyes for necessity to see the way, or outer dress like veil, gloves, head-cover, apron, etc.), and to draw their veils all over Juyubihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms, etc.) and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husband's sons, their brothers or their brother's sons, or their sister's sons, or their (Muslim) women (i.e. their sisters in Islam), or the (female) slaves whom their right hands possess, or old male servants who lack vigour, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex. And let them not stamp their feet
so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And all of you beg Allah to forgive you all, O believers, that you may be successful.

32. And marry those among you who are single (i.e. a man who has no wife and the woman who has no husband) and (also marry) the Salihun (pious, fit and capable ones) of your (male) slaves and maid-servants (female slaves). If they be poor, Allah will enrich them out of His Bounty. And Allah is All-Sufficent for His creatures' needs, All-Knowing (about the state of the people).

33. And let those who find not the financial means for marriage keep themselves chaste, until Allah enriches them of His Bounty. And such of your slaves as seek a writing (of emancipation), give them such writing, if you know that they are good and trustworthy. And give them something yourselves out of the wealth of Allah which He has bestowed upon you. And force not your maids to prostitution, if they desire chastity, in order that you may make a gain in the (perishable) goods of this worldly life. But if anyone compels them (to prostitution), then after such compulsion, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to those women, i.e. He will forgive them because they have been forced to do this evil action unwillingly).

34. And indeed We have sent down for you Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) that make things plain, and the example of those who passed away before you, and an admonition for those who are Al-Muttaqun (the pious – see V.2:2).

35. Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The parable of His Light is as (if there were) a niche and within it a lamp, the lamp is in glass, the glass as it were a brilliant star, lit from a blessed tree, an olive, neither of the east (i.e. neither it gets sun-rays only in the morning) nor of the west (i.e. nor it gets sun-rays only in the afternoon, but it is exposed to the sun all day long), whose oil would almost glow forth (of itself), though no fire touched it. Light upon Light! Allah guides to His Light whom He wills. And Allah sets forth parables for mankind, and Allah is All-Knower of everything.

36. In houses (mosques), which Allah has ordered to be raised (to be cleaned, and to be honoured), in them His Name is glorified in the mornings and in the afternoons or the evenings,

WHO ARE THE ONES THAT APPLY THOSE LAWS MEN OF YOUR GOD

[Wakeup]

Quote (bodhitharta @ May 03 2012,13:23)

Quote (Ed J @ May 03 2012,05:44) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 23 2012,07:58) Dude, Seriously? First of all Muslimsare not taught to lie second of all everyone will lie if it is for their good purpose. If you refuse to study the Quran before you make blank accusations then I am all but finish with you. My Wife was right when she said I spend way too much time on the nonbelievers.

B.tharta.

So you are a muslem,but at the same time denying that you are,or sort of.
Studying the qur'an and the bible, and so getting confused,not knowing what to believe.(but you are searching,this is the point.).

You are not searching just to find fault in the scriptures and to defend the qur'an are you?

Your wife is obviously a muslem.
That video is about the qur'an explained,and you can not take the truth,because of your deep feelings for that religion.
It should not be that way.

You must only go for one thing: THE TRUTH, for this kind is what God is seeking for. Not for religion.Defend the truth with what you have got.

Let me advise that you keep on seeking,and you will find, especially in these last days. We argue,or discus,the latter is better,because we are seeking and teaching,and let the scriptures be our JUDGE.

Our weapon is the scriptures,it is sharper than a two edged sword. Let not seeeach other as enemies, because we ar all after the same thing,KNOWLEDGE.(not religion).

Many here has been filled with the teachings that has been going on for 2000years,and that is very hard to get rid of.
Its not easy to receive new wine,even if it is better,and purer.

They prefer the wine that they have been accustomed to.
The URGE to find the TRUTH is not strong enough.So keep up the fight for the truth.

Your brother in Jesus.

wakeup.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 26 2012,10:30)

Quote (bodhitharta @ May 03 2012,13:23) Quote (Ed J @ May 03 2012,05:44) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 23 2012,07:58) Dude, Seriously? First of all Muslimsare not taught to lie second of all everyone will lie if it is for their good purpose. If you refuse to study the Quran before you make blank accusations then I am all but finish with you. My Wife was right when she said I spend way too much time on the nonbelievers. B.tharta. So you are a muslem,but at the same time denying that you are,or sort of. Studying the qur'an and the bible, and so getting confused,not knowing what to believe.(but you are searching,this is the point.). You are not searching just to find fault in the scriptures and to defend the qur'an are you? Your wife is obviously a muslem. That video is about the qur'an explained,and you can not take the truth,because of your deep feelings for that religion. It should not be that way. You must only go for one thing: THE TRUTH, for this kind is what God is seeking for. Not for religion.Defend the truth with what you have got. Let me advise that you keep on seeking,and you will find, especially in these last days. We argue,or discus,the latter is  better,because we are seeking and teaching,and let the scriptures be our JUDGE. Our weapon is the scriptures,it is sharper than a two edged sword. Let not seeeach other as enemies, because we ar all after the same thing,KNOWLEDGE.(not religion). Many here has been filled with the teachings that has been going on for 2000years,and that is very hard to get rid of. Its not easy to receive new wine,even if it is better,and purer. They prefer the wine that they have been accustomed to. The URGE to find the TRUTH is not strong enough.So keep up the fight for the truth. Your brother in Jesus. wakeup.

I am not denying that I am a Muslim/Submitter. I study all scripture as I am supposed to

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 26 2012,08:57)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 23 2012,07:58) Quote (Wakeup @ April 20 2012,11:07) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 05 2012,22:58) Quote (TimothyVI @ Jan. 05 2012,21:50)  “But the Lord hardened Pharaoh’s heart, and he would not let the Israelites go.” Exodus 10:20 Hi Tim, That is one of BD tactics: he disregards God's word, when it does not line up with the 'book of fraud'. Thanks for posting this! B'shem YHVH Hi EDJ. The muslems teaches that it is alright to lie if it is for their good purpose. Is it possible that he is of one of their agents? wakeup. Dude, Seriously? First of all Muslimsare not taught to lie second of all everyone will lie if it is for their good purpose. Your Bible has stories of this Abraham told someone that his wife was his sister. There is the story of one of the tribes who's sister was seduced and they lied to the man who dishonoured her so that they could kill all of the men in that town there is also the story of the harlot who lied so that the spies of Israel would not be discovered and God called what she did good. So once again you not knowing what is good and what is bad reflects your lack of understanding the things of God and oh by the way my favorite: Romans 3:7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner? This is why I keep telling you guys read the Bible before you Judge someone elses book or belief. You will not even find such a statement in the Quran. So are you saying it's okay for Christians to Lie? Romans 3:7 seems to support the idea if it's for a good reason B.tharta. Abraham did lie about his wife,but that was Abraham. It is not written in the scriptures to lie. But it is in the qur'an,that you can lie as long as it is in the benefit of islam. wakeup.

Aually that is not in the Quran but do you recall Rahab who lied to save the spies of Israel and God honored her for lying to protect those spies.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 26 2012,09:18)

Hi Wakeup, Sarah was Abraham's “HALF SISTER” and his wife. He did NOT lie to Pharaoh, he told a half truth. In Hebrew a half brother is considered a “FULL BROTHER”. So technically Abraham did not lie, and he certainly DID NOT bear false witness either! “I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.”  –  Jesus God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ahalf truth is not a whole truth which is a form of deception better known as a lie, otherwise if you were fighting someone and after punching them they fell to their death because they were impaled by something on the ground you would say the person saying “I didn't kill him” wouldn't be a liebecause technically it was what impaled him that killed him, correct?

[terraricca]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 26 2012,08:01)

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 26 2012,09:18) Hi Wakeup, Sarah was Abraham's “HALF SISTER” and his wife. He did NOT lie to Pharaoh, he told a half truth. In Hebrew a half brother is considered a “FULL BROTHER”. So technically Abraham did not lie, and he certainly DID NOT bear false witness either! “I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.”  –  Jesus God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Ahalf truth is not a whole truth which is a form of deception better known as a lie, otherwise if you were fighting someone and after punching them they fell to their death because they were impaled by something on the ground you would say the person saying “I didn't kill him” wouldn't be a liebecause technically it was what impaled him that killed him, correct?

bod

if you read the reason for his saying this was a live and dead situation because of the culture of the people that live in that land ,

just the same if a Christian goes to a 100 % Muslim country and declares himself as one would he not be dead 30 seconds later and all would congratulate the killer for his defence of the true faith and the killing of the Christian infidel ? yes

[Wakeup]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 26 2012,12:57)

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 26 2012,08:57) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 23 2012,07:58) Quote (Wakeup @ April 20 2012,11:07) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 05 2012,22:58) Quote (TimothyVI @ Jan. 05 2012,21:50)  “But the Lord hardened Pharaoh’s heart, and he would not let the Israelites go.” Exodus 10:20 Hi Tim, That is one of BD tactics: he disregards God's word, when it does not line up with the 'book of fraud'. Thanks for posting this! B'shem YHVH Hi EDJ. The muslems teaches that it is alright to lie if it is for their good purpose. Is it possible that he is of one of their agents? wakeup. Dude, Seriously? First of all Muslimsare not taught to lie second of all everyone will lie if it is for their good purpose. Your Bible has stories of this Abraham told someone that his wife was his sister. There is the story of one of the tribes who's sister was seduced and they lied to the man who dishonoured her so that they could kill all of the men in that town there is also the story of the harlot who lied so that the spies of Israel would not be discovered and God called what she did good. So once again you not knowing what is good and what is bad reflects your lack of understanding the things of God and oh by the way my favorite: Romans 3:7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner? This is why I keep telling you guys read the Bible before you Judge someone elses book or belief. You will not even find such a statement in the Quran. So are you saying it's okay for Christians to Lie? Romans 3:7 seems to support the idea if it's for a good reason B.tharta. Abraham did lie about his wife,but that was Abraham. It is not written in the scriptures to lie. But it is in the qur'an,that you can lie as long as it is in the benefit of islam. wakeup. Aually that is not in the Quran but do you recall Rahab who lied to save the spies of Israel and God honored her for lying to protect those spies.

B,tharta.

Yes,and she is blessed for being on thair side.
But it is not written that lying is ok.

Lying to porposely deceive and to cuase harm,is a no,no.
Lying to cause harm is evil.
Sometimes we lie so not to cause any trouble, but to keep the peace.

all wil be judged accordingly.

wakeup.

[Wakeup]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 26 2012,13:01)

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 26 2012,09:18) Hi Wakeup, Sarah was Abraham's “HALF SISTER” and his wife. He did NOT lie to Pharaoh, he told a half truth. In Hebrew a half brother is considered a “FULL BROTHER”. So technically Abraham did not lie, and he certainly DID NOT bear false witness either! “I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.”  –  Jesus God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Ahalf truth is not a whole truth which is a form of deception better known as a lie, otherwise if you were fighting someone and after punching them they fell to their death because they were impaled by something on the ground you would say the person saying “I didn't kill him” wouldn't be a liebecause technically it was what impaled him that killed him, correct?

B,tharta.

He caused the death of that person,he is guilty in Gods eyes.

If a person purposely gave someone poison to drink,it is that poison that killled him,not the giver? same thing.
But he is guilty of causing the death of a brother.

David never personally killed Uriah,but he cause Uriahs death,so David is guilty.

Are soldiers in a war guilty of murder?
No, because he was following orders,it is them that started the war; the blood is on them.God will judge accordingly.

God lead israel to war,many were killed,women and children,and babies. Is God guilty of murder.
Not so; For God is fighting his war, for his good purpose;to establish for himself a nation that live by his laws.Who is the judge,to pronounce him guilty?

As the heaven is higher than the earth;so is Gods thoughts higher than our thoughts.

To make himself known to the world,and he has his ways of doing it. After all we are just the clay in his hands; the clay has to be squeezed,and beaten before shaped.

He can do as he pleases,there is no one higher than him to scold him. We know its all for his good purpose,creating the inner man.

And his purpose is to create a world of God fearing children,living in peace with one another in the one spirit.
And then make them as he is; SPIRIT;just as jesus now is.
he is only ahead of us,but we will follow.

God judges righteously, only God is qualified to judge.
man itself is full of mistakes and imperfect to judge anything.
So we judge by what the book says,not by what we say.

If you see your friend steal; you can judge him by saying;you are a thief; for the scriptures says you shall not steal.

Regarding seeking the TRUTH:
We know that God is TRUTH,AND WE ARE SEEKING GOD,BASED ON the HUNGER for THE TRUTH.
Let the TRUTH be your motif;not some doctrine,or some book.

You started by searching the qur'an,and also the bible,thats fine,have to start somewhere.
The fact is you are seeking,but dont take sides,stay on the truth side,not on the bible or the qu'r'an side,untill you have found what you are looking for,then you can take sides.

If you can do this,you will find the TRUTH.
There is one God,one truth,one word,one way to find God,and once you have found him in your heart,you will know him in truth, and nothing can shake your faith anymore.

Your faith will be build on solid rock. The enemy is all over the place attacking daily, trying to put you off track,or to make you sin;but because of your foundation,you will not be swayed.

You must learn to put God first in everything,even above yourself.

wakeup.

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 26 2012,13:01)

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 26 2012,09:18) Hi Wakeup, Sarah was Abraham's “HALF SISTER” and his wife. He did NOT lie to Pharaoh, he told a half truth. In Hebrew a half brother is considered a “FULL BROTHER”. So technically Abraham did not lie, and he certainly DID NOT bear false witness either! “I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.”  –  Jesus God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) Ahalf truth is not a whole truth which is a form of deception better known as a lie, otherwise if you were fighting someone and after punching them they fell to their death because they were impaled by something on the ground you would say the person saying “I didn't kill him” wouldn't be a liebecause technically it was what impaled him that killed him, correct?

Hi BD,

No, your example does not “prove” your point;
it only illustrates what YOU believe. But what you ARE
doing is – demonstrating for us – an example of a 'logic fallacy'.

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Three big logic fallacies that I see presented here:

1. Opinions: opinions are presented as evidence.
2. Scenarios: scenarios are presented as proof.
3. Consensus: consensus is seen as conformation.

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יהוה חאלהים (JEHOVAH GOD)
עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)

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