Muslims teach differently than bodhitharta

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 15 2012,18:56)

Hi BD, Is it not true that one of the 99 names of allah is: 'allah the deceiver'; yes or no? B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā) עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)

Hi BD,

Would that be a “YES” then?

B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)

[Ed J]

islam teaches that those who refuse to convert to islam must pay the jezea.
BD, do you agree with what islam teaches?

[Ed J]

islam teaches those who convert to Christianity must be killed.
BD, do you agree with what islam teaches?

[shimmer]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 16 2012,15:06)

Luke 10:29-37 King James Version (KJV) 29But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour? 30And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead. 31And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side. 32And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side. 33But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him, 34And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him. 35And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee. 36Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves? 37And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise. Now you Shimmer go and do likewise show the best you, show your light talk about the Glory of God and the Love of God, get to know God from the perspective of others unless you somehow believe that God only started existing 2000 years ago. God has had relationships with people since he created them they were not Christians or Jews or Muslims they were called MANKIND and the ONLY KNOWN religious concept was SUBMISSION to GOD. To God be the GLORY ~ Asana

I have to say that I agree with that Bod.

I remember once when Gaza was being invaded.  There was one Man (Among others) He was a Catholic Priest or Brother.  He was in there among the Gazans, angry at what was happening to them, He was looking after them.

[TimothyVI]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 16 2012,20:06)

Quote (TimothyVI @ Mar. 15 2012,22:25) HI Ed, You keep reinforcing Bod's point that Allah and YHWH are the same god. Both admit that they are deceiving gods. Tim Hi Tim, YHVH doesn't deceive. Perhaps you don't know this because you don't read the bible. B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā) עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)

1 Kings 22:23
23Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.

2 Chronicles 18:22
22Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil against thee.

Jeremiah 4:10
10Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people and Jerusalem, saying, Ye shall have peace; whereas the sword reacheth unto the soul.

Jeremiah 20:7
7O LORD, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived; thou art stronger than I, and hast prevailed: I am in derision daily, every one mocketh me.

Ezekiel 14:9
9And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.

2 Thessalonians 2:11-12
11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Tim

[Ed J]

Quote (TimothyVI @ Mar. 16 2012,22:19)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 16 2012,20:06) Quote (TimothyVI @ Mar. 15 2012,22:25) HI Ed, You keep reinforcing Bod's point that Allah and YHWH are the same god. Both admit that they are deceiving gods. Tim Hi Tim, YHVH doesn't deceive. Perhaps you don't know this because you don't read the bible. B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā) עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34) 1 Kings 22:23 23Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee. 2 Chronicles 18:22 22Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil against thee. Jeremiah 4:10 10Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people and Jerusalem, saying, Ye shall have peace; whereas the sword reacheth unto the soul. Jeremiah 20:7 7O LORD, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived; thou art stronger than I, and hast prevailed: I am in derision daily, every one mocketh me. Ezekiel 14:9 9And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel. 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: Tim

Hi Tim,

1) Kings and Chronicles were written by the scribes of the Kings,
    you cannot call this doctrine as it would be compared to the
    information released from the Presidents press Secretary.

2) Jeremiah was speaking out of frustration,
    once again nothing to build doctrine on.

3) Ezekiel 14:9 and 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 are both similar,
    and there is where we need to focus our study on.

False prophets speak what is false, they are self deceived as are those who believe lies.
YHVH allows free will, shall we say it was God's will when a murderer commits murder?     …no, of course not.

So it is only YOUR misunderstanding of the nature of YHVH,
that causes you to believe this lie; in fulfillment of 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12!

B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 16 2012,22:37)

Quote (TimothyVI @ Mar. 16 2012,22:19) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 16 2012,20:06) Quote (TimothyVI @ Mar. 15 2012,22:25) HI Ed, You keep reinforcing Bod's point that Allah and YHWH are the same god. Both admit that they are deceiving gods. Tim Hi Tim, YHVH doesn't deceive. Perhaps you don't know this because you don't read the bible. B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā) עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34) 1 Kings 22:23 23Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee. 2 Chronicles 18:22 22Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil against thee. Jeremiah 4:10 10Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people and Jerusalem, saying, Ye shall have peace; whereas the sword reacheth unto the soul. Jeremiah 20:7 7O LORD, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived; thou art stronger than I, and hast prevailed: I am in derision daily, every one mocketh me. Ezekiel 14:9 9And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel. 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: Tim Hi Tim, 1) Kings and Chronicles were written by the scribes of the Kings,     you cannot call this doctrine as it would be compared to the     information released from the Presidents press Secretary. 2) Jeremiah was speaking out of frustration,     once again nothing to build doctrine on. 3) Ezekiel 14:9 and 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 are both similar,     and there is where we need to focus our study on. False prophets speak what is false, they are self deceived as are those who believe lies. YHVH allows free will, shall we say it was God's will when a murderer commits murder?     …no, of course not. So it is only YOUR misunderstanding of the nature of YHVH, that causes you to believe this lie; in fulfillment of 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12! B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā) עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)

So now ED you are calling God a liar?

Ezekiel 14:9
9And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.

Where does it say they deceived themselves in the verse? Aren't you deceiving yourself right now calling some of the bible not scripture and then saying the part that is scripture doesn't mean what it says?

You don't believe the Bible so talking to you about Islam makes no sense I will have to start debating bible issues with you because you are doing the most harm to yourself and others through biblical ignorance.

Samuel beheaded the King that Saul let live did God order the MURDER or not?

[bodhitharta]

1 Samuel 15:31-33

King James Version (KJV)

31So Samuel turned again after Saul; and Saul worshipped the LORD.

32Then said Samuel, Bring ye hither to me Agag the king of the Amalekites. And Agag came unto him delicately. And Agag said, Surely the bitterness of death is past.

33And Samuel said, As thy sword hath made women childless, so shall thy mother be childless among women. And Samuel hewed Agag in pieces before the LORD in Gilgal.

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 17 2012,03:01)

1 Samuel 15:31-33 King James Version (KJV) 31So Samuel turned again after Saul; and Saul worshipped the LORD. 32Then said Samuel, Bring ye hither to me Agag the king of the Amalekites. And Agag came unto him delicately. And Agag said, Surely the bitterness of death is past. 33And Samuel said, As thy sword hath made women childless, so shall thy mother be childless among women. And Samuel hewed Agag in pieces before the LORD in Gilgal.

What is this post suppose to be?    …a distraction?

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 17 2012,02:58)

So now ED you are calling God a liar?

Hi BD,

No, I'm calling muslims deceivers. (2Tm.3:13)

B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)

[Ed J]

Hi BD,

Your duty as a muislim is to protect the deceptions of islam.
My duty as a believer in YHVH is to expose the deceptions of islam.

“Khayrul-Makereen” which translated correctly
means “Allah is the greatest of all deceivers.” (Link)
“Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which YHVH God had made.” (Gen 3:1)

B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 17 2012,02:58)

Samuel beheaded the King that Saul let live did God order the MURDER or not?

       (Link)

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 17 2012,02:58)

I will have to start debating bible issues with you because you are doing the most harm to yourself and others through biblical ignorance.

Hi BD,

Right now I'm in the process of teaching biblical doctrine to people with receptive ears,
discussing things that YOU DO NOT BELIEVE will have to play second fiddle to them.
I will only be responding to your hardened heart as my time permits; like it or not!

B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 17 2012,07:07)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 17 2012,02:58) So now ED you are calling God a liar? Hi BD, No, I'm calling muslims deceivers. (2Tm.3:13) B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā) עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)

No Ed you are calling God a liar when God says Directly :

“I the LORD have deceived that prophet”

and you say the Lord didn't say it or mean it, you are calling God a Liar but the scripture says:

Romans 3:4
God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

[Ed J]

Hi BD,

It is you who is judging him to be a deceiver,
like YOUR god 'al-Lah', who is a deceiver!

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 17 2012,13:00)

Hi BD, It is you who is judging him to be a deceiver, like YOUR god 'al-Lah', who is a deceiver!

ED

What does THE SCRIPTURE SAY?

“I the LORD have deceived that prophet”

Are those words in the SCRIPTURE or did I make them up?

[Ed J]

Shalom BD,

Here is what the Hebrew says: (I will re-translate it, so you can understand what is being said)…

וְהַנָּבִיא כִי־יְפֻתֶּה וְדִבֶּר דָּבָר אֲנִי יְהוָה פִּתֵּיתִי אֵת הַנָּבִיא הַהוְּא וְנָטִיתִי אֶת־יָדִי עָלָיו וְהִשְׁמַדְתִּיו מִתֹּוךְ עַמִּי יִשְׂרָאֵל Ezekiel 14:9

And the prophet that will entice something which I YHVH have enticed that prophet
to I stretch out my hand on him for the destruction of him before my people Israel.

(Next is a bit more modern way of saying, the essence of, what YHVH is telling us)

The gullibleness of a false prophet toward grandeur will be the means of his destruction.

Witness (Ed) עד (Joshua 22:34)

[TimothyVI]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 17 2012,16:57)

(Next is a bit more modern way of saying, the essence of, what YHVH is telling us)[/color] The gullibleness of a false prophet toward grandeur will be the means of his destruction. Witness (Ed) עד (Joshua 22:34)

WOW!

I can hardly wait to see the new revised King Ed Version of the bible.

Tim

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 17 2012,16:57)

Shalom BD, Here is what the Hebrew says: (I will re-translate it, so you can understand what is being said)… וְהַנָּבִיא כִי־יְפֻתֶּה וְדִבֶּר דָּבָר אֲנִי יְהוָה פִּתֵּיתִי אֵת הַנָּבִיא הַהוְּא וְנָטִיתִי אֶת־יָדִי עָלָיו וְהִשְׁמַדְתִּיו מִתֹּוךְ עַמִּי יִשְׂרָאֵל Ezekiel 14:9 And the prophet that will entice something which I YHVH have enticed that prophet to I stretch out my hand on him for the destruction of him before my people Israel. (Next is a bit more modern way of saying, the essence of, what YHVH is telling us) The gullibleness of a false prophet toward grandeur will be the means of his destruction. Witness (Ed) עד (Joshua 22:34)

ED

Google translates what you wrote to this:

And the prophet that – something pretty and something I am the Lord flakes that prophet, and I tended to – by him and of the peoples of Israel and destruction

You see ED you are very ignorant and that combined with your venom makes you a dangerous person to those who maybe uninformed which is at this point the only reason I communicate with you, because not only do you not speak Hebrew you also didn't use Biblical Hebrew anyway so once again you are using a nonbiblical language “Modern Hebrew” just how you decided to take “Waw” out of the tetragrammaton replacing it with the modern “Vav”

Plus you declared here for all to see that the Authorized King James Version of the Bible was chosen by God

Ezekiel 14:9

Authorized King James Version (AKJV)

9And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.

So now you decide the AKJV is useless now?

[Ed J]

Quote (TimothyVI @ Mar. 17 2012,20:51)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 17 2012,16:57) (Next is a bit more modern way of saying, the essence of, what YHVH is telling us)[/color] The gullibleness of a false prophet toward grandeur will be the means of his destruction. Witness (Ed) עד (Joshua 22:34) WOW! I can hardly wait to see the new revised King Ed Version of the bible. Tim

Hi Tim,

Be sure and let me know if you have any more questions then, OK?

Witness (Ed) עד (Joshua 22:34)

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