Mt 15

[NickHassan]

Hi CO,
What does Mt15 say in your cherished version?
Does it say that the words of Jesus are only for the jews as you claim?

If not then why do you tell us lies?

[chosenone]

NH.
READ IT YOURSELF!

[NickHassan]

Hi CO,
I have read it many times and the WORDS of Jesus are not mentioned there.

How could you get so confused and even teach from this false foundation?

[chosenone]

NH.
If the words of Jesus were not recorded, then we wouldn't have the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. I guess your bible is without these N.T. books?

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
So you think that HIS RECORDED WORDS were also only for the Jews?
It is not written so remains your idea.

[chosenone]

NH.
No, His RECORDED message was not only “FOR” the Jews, but for all to know about His message “TO” the Jews …It's recorded history. It's for all to know about His (Jesus) message to the “house of Israel”, and to them only.

History is for all, that's why it's recorded. Many goings on in history is recorded for all to know about, but it is not ABOUT all. Surely even you must understand that.

[NickHassan]

Hi CO,
So Mt 15 has never said what you claim but only what you have inferred from it?
Odd that you would defend such inferred views so strongly.

[chosenone]

NH.
I believe Jesus words, obiously you do not. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

[NickHassan]

Hi CO,
Which words?
There is no mention of those words being just for the Jews in Mt 15.

Are you a jew if you have decided the words are in fact for you?

[chosenone]

NH.
The words are included in the second last page of certain books that are really not known to most in the world. I'm sure you will find it if you look up the second of these books and refer to the third last page, it is clearly written and found by turning this page upside down, and counting four lines down. Do this and let me know if you can't understand what is written.

Blessings.

[NickHassan]

Hi CO,
So nothing in Mt 15 that agrees with you. What else can you offer ?

[theodorej]

Greetings Chosenone……In response to your barage of scripture….and I must confess it was overwhelming…..I find my self somewhat confused with two issues….one being the time line and the other being the fact that Judah is one of the twelve numbered tribes and is considered part of the house of Israel….If Iam not mistaken….and Iam sure you will correct me if Iam wrong….When Isa:53 was written the northern tribes(eg.Israel not be confused with sum total of the tribes…eg.House of Israel)were in captivity….

[NickHassan]

Hi CO,
Why would you insist that the words of Jesus were only for the Jews even after being shown that the verses you offered in support in Mt 15 do not say what you say they do?

[chosenone]

Hi theo. (hope you don't mind this shortened version)
I agree with you, Judah is concidered as part of the 'house of Israel'. But during the time of Jesus and His message to them, they were under Roman rule, not in captivity.
Thanks for your input, much appreciated.

Blessins.

[chosenone]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 19 2009,00:08)

Hi CO, Why would you insist that the words of Jesus were only for the Jews even after being shown that the verses you offered in support in Mt 15 do not say what you say they do?

NH.
Please expain your version of what you say that I say these verses say.

[NickHassan]

Hi CO,
It is not a matter of adding explanations but reading what is written.
What is written does not include what you say – that the words of Jesus were only for the Jews.
That is what you have inferred from the verse and bitterly taught and defended as if it was pure truth from the mouth of God.

But it is not written

[chosenone]

NH.
I agree with His statement to where He was commissioned to when He said “I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

Yes, I agree that what “He” stated was true.

[NickHassan]

Hi CO,
So do I.
But his words continue to draw all.

[theodorej]

Quote (chosenone @ July 19 2009,08:55)

Hi theo. (hope you don't mind this shortened version)   I agree with you, Judah is concidered as part of the 'house of Israel'.  But during the time of Jesus and His message to them, they were under Roman rule, not in captivity.   Thanks for your input, much appreciated. Blessins.

Greetings Chosenone…..The folks who were under Roman Rule was the remnants of Judah who returned to the land to rebuild the temple…(Ezra,Daniel,etc..)after 70 years under nebuchanezzer ( the Babylonians )…The remaining tribes of the house of Israel were dispursed while in captivity with the assyrians…..Iam reasonably sure we are going to discover their indentities soon and do not be surprised if we find them among the english speaking Euro,Brit and American people…After all one only has to look at names like the Saxsons ( sons of Isaac ) Denmark ( mark of Dan ) and there are numerous references to the tribe of Dan in Irish history( Donegal,Dunsmore etc.) we might even roots to the tribe of Rueben in France…..

[theodorej]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 19 2009,21:39)

Hi CO, So do I. But his words continue to draw all.

Greetings Nick…. I agree the words Jesus spoke and the Gospel he taught was for the entire house of Israel all tribes inclusive….It was the tribe of Judah whose prayer was for a messiah…and Jesus' geneology clearly places him as a decendent of the tribe of Judah….He did address the religous hierarchy on several occasions,some times in a teaching posture and some times in a judgeing posture…This does not prove he came first for Judah and then for the lost tribes of Israel….but…I would think it was the Jews (remnant of Judah)who his ministry was addressing first…based purely on the fact that they represented the here and now….

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