Mt 15

[NickHassan]

Hi,
Different servants have different tasks appointed by the Lord Jesus.
Servants can be commanded to do one thing one day and another the next to fulfill the will of God.

Acts 10
9On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:

10And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,

11And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:

12Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.

13And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.

14But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

15And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

16This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

17Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,

Within his body too there are different roles.

[chosenone]

NH.
The book of Acts describes the transition by God from the Jews (who rejected their prophesied “Messiah”, even after His ressurrection), to the “nations”, described in the scriptures you quote in Acts 10.
See Acts13:46 … Being bold, both Paul and Barnabas, say, “To you (Jews) first was it necessary that the word of God be spoken. Yet, since, in fact, you are thrusting it away, and are judging yourselves not worthy of eonian life, lo! we are turning to the nations.
Paul was called by God to teach the “Nations”. Ro.15:16 … because of the grace being given to me from God,
16 for me to be the minister of Christ Jesus for the nations, acting as a priest of the evangel of God, that the approach present of the nations may be becoming well received, having been hallowed by holy spirit. Now on him (Paul), saying “a minister of Christ Jesus”, does not mean the same teaching to the nations, as was to the “Jews”. He (Paul) was to “complete” the word of God (Col.1:25) and also to reveal the 'secret' that was withheld in previous times Ro.11:25 …For I am not willing for you to be ignorant of this secret, brethren, lest you may be passing for prudent among yourselves, that callousness, in part, on Israel has come, until the complement of the nations may be entering. Also in Ro.16:25 …25 Now to Him Who is able to establish you in accord with my evangel, and the heralding of Christ Jesus in accord with the revelation of a secret hushed in times eonian, (meaning not revealed before.)

To sum up, Jesus message was to Israel, and them only, (again see Eph2.11-12 ) He taught while under the “Law”, entrance into the “kingdom” was by WORKS, obedience to the 'Law'. It was the “Gospel of the Kingdom”.

Pauls message to the “Nations” (including Jew and Gentile believers) was the “Gospel of Grace”, we are saved by the 'Grace of God', not by 'works' .

Blessings.

[NickHassan]

CO,
It that how you rationalise your view?
On what basis?

[NickHassan]

CO,
Indeed the way of salvation in Jesus is not by our works but his.
However God does show mercy to those of merciful works towards the brothers of Jesus.

[chosenone]

NH.
How do you rationalise your view on eternal torment for those that are unsaved?

Blessings.

[NickHassan]

CO,
What view?
Is it written?

[NickHassan]

CO,
Acts 8:26
But an angel of the Lord spoke to Philip saying, “Get up and go south to the road that descends from Jerusalem to Gaza.”

Was this the permanent commission of Philip?

But then he was given another one
Acts 8:29
Then the Spirit said to Philip, “Go up and join this chariot.”

[charity]

Quote (chosenone @ Jan. 09 2009,07:46)

NH.     How do you rationalise your view on eternal torment for those that are unsaved? Blessings.

smile …hi

That “swine headed” way of thinking needs to be sunk, and yes if people would just understand the bible is not gods words… but tribes that just wanna believe, and carry on… that they are the apple of Gods eye, chosen, and with a little three year olds mentality they…naaa…na na  fathers loves me best,
Even from Issac to his half brother… cast out OUT INTO THE DESERT, CAIN AND ABLE….poor God can only handle loving one at a time? (Tectonically all human instinct projected as God nature by words)

quote Nick….from an early above post….
Different servants have different tasks appointed by the Lord Jesus.
Servants can be commanded to do one thing one day and another the next to fulfill the will of God.

What then why can God not be happy with two sons at once, from one day to the next…nay, I say Jacob would cry if he awaken to see the nonsense…of that primitive thinking, re empower in Christ day.   and surly today we can see throw it…..

Oh My God…Now its Peter and Paul…..

[NickHassan]

Why charity?

Who wants to judge God?
Not this fella

[942767]

Quote (charity @ Jan. 09 2009,09:31)

Quote (chosenone @ Jan. 09 2009,07:46) NH.     How do you rationalise your view on eternal torment for those that are unsaved? Blessings. smile …hi That “swine headed” way of thinking needs to be sunk, and yes if people would just understand the bible is not gods words… but tribes that just wanna believe, and carry on… that they are the apple of Gods eye, chosen, and with a little three year olds mentality they…naaa…na na  fathers loves me best, Even from Issac to his half brother… cast out OUT INTO THE DESERT, CAIN AND ABLE….poor God can only handle loving one at a time? (Tectonically all human instinct projected as God nature by words) quote Nick….from an early above post…. Different servants have different tasks appointed by the Lord Jesus. Servants can be commanded to do one thing one day and another the next to fulfill the will of God. What then why can God not be happy with two sons at once, from one day to the next…nay, I say Jacob would cry if he awaken to see the nonsense…of that primitive thinking, re empower in Christ day.   and surly today we can see throw it….. Oh My God…Now its Peter and Paul…..

Hi Charity:

The bible is Not God's words?

[chosenone]

Hi 942767.
If I may, I would have to say that the Bible, is not always Gods word. It has been translated by so many different person/s. Gods original scriptures do not exist anymore, only copies of the original, and many versions differ from one another. So Gods word in many cases are not 'translations', but “interpetations”, and not neccessarily correct. In comparing the various versions to some ancient scripture, the dead sea scrolls, and others, there are some obvious errors, and often misrepresents the meaning. I have found, after studying the method of translations, that (in my opinion) the 'Concordant version”, published by the “Concordant Publishing Concern” to be the most accurate, but not neccessarily pefect, translation. Again, this is only my opinion.

Blessings.

[NickHassan]

CO,
Nonetheless you quote it as if it can prove your ideas?

[942767]

Quote (chosenone @ Jan. 09 2009,11:12)

Hi 942767.   If I may, I would have to say that the Bible, is not always Gods word.  It has been translated by so many different person/s.  Gods original scriptures do not exist anymore, only copies of the original, and many versions differ from one another.  So Gods word in many cases are not 'translations', but “interpetations”, and not neccessarily correct.  In comparing the various versions to some ancient scripture, the dead sea scrolls, and others, there are some obvious errors, and often misrepresents the meaning.  I have found, after studying the method of translations, that (in my opinion) the 'Concordant version”, published by the “Concordant Publishing Concern” to be the most accurate, but not neccessarily pefect, translation.  Again, this is only my opinion. Blessings.

Hi CO:

I will agree that there are many scribal errors and some mistranslations and also, a few insertions by those who wanted to justify their teaching of the “trinity”.

However, because of my personal relationship with God, my Father and my Lord Jesus, I can say that the bible is God's Word.

I believe that the KJV of the bible is the most accurate, but there are some errors, and by referring to other translations when there is a question, one can arrive at the truth.

Also, there are many things in the bible that are difficult to understand, and we just need to pray and ask God for understanding when we run accross these situations.

However, I cannot agree with someone that says that “the bible is not God's Word without them qualifying this statement as I have just done.

I know that God is a reality and that the bible is His Word because I have asked Him for understanding in many situations in His Word and He has given it to me through His Word.

My desire is God's very best for you and your family.

[Tiffany]

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Jesus command, not to go to the gentiles, has to do with the fulfillment of the 70 week prophecy.
Daniel was told that his people, 9:24, were given 70 weeks; that is 70 weeks of years or 490 years; starting with the command to restore Jerusalem an her walls, BC 457.
The house of Israel includes all the tribes, not just the Jews. They were given first chance to except the invitation to be “in” the kingdom of God.
That inviting started with the last of the seventieth week, Dan 9:27. Jesus confirmed, preached, the covenant, new covenant, with many for one week all over Judea; only he was cut off in the middle of the week, after three and a half years, and his disciples finished the week. Then, when the 70 weeks were up, God poured out his Holy Spirit on the Gentiles also, Acts 10:45.
No contradiction, just another prophecy fulfilled.

Georg

Just in case you missed it on the other side.

[martian]

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 09 2009,11:30)

Quote (chosenone @ Jan. 09 2009,11:12) Hi 942767.   If I may, I would have to say that the Bible, is not always Gods word.  It has been translated by so many different person/s.  Gods original scriptures do not exist anymore, only copies of the original, and many versions differ from one another.  So Gods word in many cases are not 'translations', but “interpetations”, and not neccessarily correct.  In comparing the various versions to some ancient scripture, the dead sea scrolls, and others, there are some obvious errors, and often misrepresents the meaning.  I have found, after studying the method of translations, that (in my opinion) the 'Concordant version”, published by the “Concordant Publishing Concern” to be the most accurate, but not neccessarily pefect, translation.  Again, this is only my opinion. Blessings. Hi CO: I will agree that there are many scribal errors and some mistranslations and also, a few insertions by those who wanted to justify their teaching of the “trinity”.   However, because of my personal relationship with God, my Father and my Lord Jesus, I can say that the bible is God's Word. I believe that the KJV of the bible is the most accurate, but there are some errors, and by referring to other translations when there is a question, one can arrive at the truth. Also, there are many things in the bible that are difficult to understand, and we just need to pray and ask God for understanding when we run accross these situations. However, I cannot agree with someone that says that “the bible is not God's Word without them qualifying this statement as I have just done. I know that God is a reality and that the bible is His Word because I have asked Him for understanding in many situations in His Word and He has given it to me through His Word. My desire is God's very best for you and your family.

It is true that no translation can claim to be accurate in every detail. This is the reason why one must understand the scriptures via their orriginal languages, cultures and historical timeframe.

[942767]

Quote (martian @ Jan. 10 2009,08:30)

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 09 2009,11:30) Quote (chosenone @ Jan. 09 2009,11:12) Hi 942767.   If I may, I would have to say that the Bible, is not always Gods word.  It has been translated by so many different person/s.  Gods original scriptures do not exist anymore, only copies of the original, and many versions differ from one another.  So Gods word in many cases are not 'translations', but “interpetations”, and not neccessarily correct.  In comparing the various versions to some ancient scripture, the dead sea scrolls, and others, there are some obvious errors, and often misrepresents the meaning.  I have found, after studying the method of translations, that (in my opinion) the 'Concordant version”, published by the “Concordant Publishing Concern” to be the most accurate, but not neccessarily pefect, translation.  Again, this is only my opinion. Blessings. Hi CO: I will agree that there are many scribal errors and some mistranslations and also, a few insertions by those who wanted to justify their teaching of the “trinity”.   However, because of my personal relationship with God, my Father and my Lord Jesus, I can say that the bible is God's Word. I believe that the KJV of the bible is the most accurate, but there are some errors, and by referring to other translations when there is a question, one can arrive at the truth. Also, there are many things in the bible that are difficult to understand, and we just need to pray and ask God for understanding when we run accross these situations. However, I cannot agree with someone that says that “the bible is not God's Word without them qualifying this statement as I have just done. I know that God is a reality and that the bible is His Word because I have asked Him for understanding in many situations in His Word and He has given it to me through His Word. My desire is God's very best for you and your family. It is true that no translation can claim to be accurate in every detail. This is the reason why one must understand the scriptures via their orriginal languages, cultures and historical timeframe.

Hi Martian:

Good to hear from you. How are you doing?

When I have a question, I go to God in prayer. Isn't He the person we should go to when it concerns something He may or may not have said?

God Bless

[martian]

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 10 2009,08:45)

Quote (martian @ Jan. 10 2009,08:30) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 09 2009,11:30) Quote (chosenone @ Jan. 09 2009,11:12) Hi 942767.   If I may, I would have to say that the Bible, is not always Gods word.  It has been translated by so many different person/s.  Gods original scriptures do not exist anymore, only copies of the original, and many versions differ from one another.  So Gods word in many cases are not 'translations', but “interpetations”, and not neccessarily correct.  In comparing the various versions to some ancient scripture, the dead sea scrolls, and others, there are some obvious errors, and often misrepresents the meaning.  I have found, after studying the method of translations, that (in my opinion) the 'Concordant version”, published by the “Concordant Publishing Concern” to be the most accurate, but not neccessarily pefect, translation.  Again, this is only my opinion. Blessings. Hi CO: I will agree that there are many scribal errors and some mistranslations and also, a few insertions by those who wanted to justify their teaching of the “trinity”.   However, because of my personal relationship with God, my Father and my Lord Jesus, I can say that the bible is God's Word. I believe that the KJV of the bible is the most accurate, but there are some errors, and by referring to other translations when there is a question, one can arrive at the truth. Also, there are many things in the bible that are difficult to understand, and we just need to pray and ask God for understanding when we run accross these situations. However, I cannot agree with someone that says that “the bible is not God's Word without them qualifying this statement as I have just done. I know that God is a reality and that the bible is His Word because I have asked Him for understanding in many situations in His Word and He has given it to me through His Word. My desire is God's very best for you and your family. It is true that no translation can claim to be accurate in every detail. This is the reason why one must understand the scriptures via their orriginal languages, cultures and historical timeframe. Hi Martian: Good to hear from you.  How are you doing? When I have a question, I go to God in prayer.  Isn't He the person we should go to when it concerns something He may or may not have said? God Bless

Of course that is correct as long as the person seeking God's answer can hear clear enough. That is why we have a more sure word of prophecy. ie; the scriptures.

[NickHassan]

Hi Martian,
It is interesting that those who believe the mission of Jesus and his disciples was forever and exclusively only to the Jews are not continuing that focussed work.

[NickHassan]

Hi,
Jesus went to Tyre in Phoenicia or now Lebanon

Mark 7:24
Jesus got up and went away from there to the region of Tyre . And when He had entered a house, He wanted no one to know of it; yet He could not escape notice.

Mark 7:31
Again He went out from the region of Tyre, and came through Sidon to the Sea of Galilee, within the region of Decapolis.

It seems that commission was not according to place.
The words still burn with life so time does not restrain them either.

[chosenone]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 11 2009,17:45)

Hi Martian, It is interesting that those who believe the mission of Jesus and his disciples was forever and exclusively only to the Jews are not continuing that focussed work.

NH
Yes, we believe scripture, not as one who says “one eternal gospel for all”, a false teaching!!!

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