Moses attains atonement without blood

[bodhitharta]

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 06 2010,06:03) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 03 2010,19:10) The LIES end Here You are right the LIES should end here but who is lying? You said ALL glory to GOD but then you denied GOD's SAVING POWER attaching salvation only through Christ. Hi SF, It's God who attaches salvation to Christ, doesn't BD know that by now?                           “YÄ is salvation” [יה]+[ישע]=[יהשוע] Jesus’ authentic name [יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă has a direct connection to GOD’s name [יה] in that YÄ is the first part of Jesus’ Hebrew name. GOD’s name is not vocalized in the English translation of the name Jesus and therefore misses the precise exactness and direct authentic connection to God’s Hebrew name [יה] YÄ. Jesus’ Name in Hebrew עושהי means: (“YÄ is salvation” [יה]+[ישע]=[יהשוע]) or the salvation of “GOD the Father”. Therefore [עושהי] “Jesus” name authentically establishes [יהוה] “JEHOVAH” as the Highest Name. (Phil. 2:9,11: Wherefore [Holy Spirit] has highly exalted Jesus giving Him a name which is above every name, to the glory of GOD The Father=117.) Neither is there salvation in any other name: for there is no other name given among men (יהשוע), whereby we must be saved. (Acts 4:12) People speaking fluent Hebrew know that in essence, [יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă means: “YÄ is Savior”.                              “YHVH is GOD”=117 PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter], the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]! Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17) 117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

ED

I said through Christ only and do you not recall Jesus was not the first to have that namesake

Others have been called “God Saves” or “God of my salvation”

Josh·u·a1

ETYMOLOGY:
Late Latin Ioshua, from Hebrew yhôûa', Yahweh (is) salvation; see hwy in Semitic roots

Je·sus1

ETYMOLOGY:
Middle English, from Late Latin Isus, from Greek Isous, from Hebrew yû', from yhôûa', Joshua ; see Joshua1

E·li·sha

From the Hebrew name אֱלִישַׁע ('Elisha'), a contracted form of אֱלִישׁוּעַ ('Elishu'a) meaning “my God is salvation”.

But Joshua is Jesus or The Christ so get it right. It is God who Saves through whomever he pleases.

[SimplyForgiven]

Bod I will answer soon, when i got time.

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 13 2010,18:03)

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 13 2010,07:15) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 06 2010,06:03) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 03 2010,19:10) The LIES end Here You are right the LIES should end here but who is lying? You said ALL glory to GOD but then you denied GOD's SAVING POWER attaching salvation only through Christ. Hi SF, It's God who attaches salvation to Christ, doesn't BD know that by now?                           “YÄ is salvation” [יה]+[ישע]=[יהשוע] Jesus’ authentic name [יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă has a direct connection to GOD’s name [יה] in that YÄ is the first part of Jesus’ Hebrew name. GOD’s name is not vocalized in the English translation of the name Jesus and therefore misses the precise exactness and direct authentic connection to God’s Hebrew name [יה] YÄ. Jesus’ Name in Hebrew עושהי means: (“YÄ is salvation” [יה]+[ישע]=[יהשוע]) or the salvation of “GOD the Father”. Therefore [עושהי] “Jesus” name authentically establishes [יהוה] “JEHOVAH” as the Highest Name. (Phil. 2:9,11: Wherefore [Holy Spirit] has highly exalted Jesus giving Him a name which is above every name, to the glory of GOD The Father=117.) Neither is there salvation in any other name: for there is no other name given among men (יהשוע), whereby we must be saved. (Acts 4:12) People speaking fluent Hebrew know that in essence, [יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă means: “YÄ is Savior”.                              “YHVH is GOD”=117 PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter], the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]! Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17) 117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org ED I said through Christ only and do you not recall Jesus was not the first to have that namesake Others have been called “God Saves” or “God of my salvation” Josh·u·a1   ETYMOLOGY: Late Latin Ioshua, from Hebrew yhôûa', Yahweh (is) salvation; see hwy in Semitic roots Je·sus1   ETYMOLOGY: Middle English, from Late Latin Isus, from Greek Isous, from Hebrew yû', from yhôûa', Joshua ; see Joshua1 E·li·sha From the Hebrew name אֱלִישַׁע ('Elisha'), a contracted form of אֱלִישׁוּעַ ('Elishu'a) meaning “my God is salvation”. But Joshua is Jesus or The Christ so get it right. It is God who Saves through whomever he pleases.

Look Everyone,

Is BD actually accepting the “Gospel” of Jesus Christ now?

                        Jesus is Lord

1Cor.12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man
speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that
no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the HolySpirit.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 15 2010,21:52)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 13 2010,18:03) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 13 2010,07:15) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 06 2010,06:03) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 03 2010,19:10) The LIES end Here You are right the LIES should end here but who is lying? You said ALL glory to GOD but then you denied GOD's SAVING POWER attaching salvation only through Christ. Hi SF, It's God who attaches salvation to Christ, doesn't BD know that by now?                           “YÄ is salvation” [יה]+[ישע]=[יהשוע] Jesus’ authentic name [יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă has a direct connection to GOD’s name [יה] in that YÄ is the first part of Jesus’ Hebrew name. GOD’s name is not vocalized in the English translation of the name Jesus and therefore misses the precise exactness and direct authentic connection to God’s Hebrew name [יה] YÄ. Jesus’ Name in Hebrew עושהי means: (“YÄ is salvation” [יה]+[ישע]=[יהשוע]) or the salvation of “GOD the Father”. Therefore [עושהי] “Jesus” name authentically establishes [יהוה] “JEHOVAH” as the Highest Name. (Phil. 2:9,11: Wherefore [Holy Spirit] has highly exalted Jesus giving Him a name which is above every name, to the glory of GOD The Father=117.) Neither is there salvation in any other name: for there is no other name given among men (יהשוע), whereby we must be saved. (Acts 4:12) People speaking fluent Hebrew know that in essence, [יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă means: “YÄ is Savior”.                              “YHVH is GOD”=117 PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter], the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]! Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17) 117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org ED I said through Christ only and do you not recall Jesus was not the first to have that namesake Others have been called “God Saves” or “God of my salvation” Josh·u·a1   ETYMOLOGY: Late Latin Ioshua, from Hebrew yhôûa', Yahweh (is) salvation; see hwy in Semitic roots Je·sus1   ETYMOLOGY: Middle English, from Late Latin Isus, from Greek Isous, from Hebrew yû', from yhôûa', Joshua ; see Joshua1 E·li·sha From the Hebrew name אֱלִישַׁע ('Elisha'), a contracted form of אֱלִישׁוּעַ ('Elishu'a) meaning “my God is salvation”. But Joshua is Jesus or The Christ so get it right. It is God who Saves through whomever he pleases. Look Everyone, Is BD actually accepting the “Gospel” of Jesus Christ now?                         Jesus is Lord 1Cor.12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the HolySpirit. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

The Gospel of Jesus Christ is The Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven

[Ed J]

Hi Everyone,

In muslim countries preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ is considered 'hate speech',
and according to sharia law are worthy of the death penalty; exactly what Rev.20:4 refers to!            
Revelation 20:4: And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them:
and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God,
and which had not worshipped the (allah) beast, neither his (muhammad) image, neither had received his
(islam) mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

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[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 16 2010,18:37)

Hi Everyone, In muslim countries preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ is considered 'hate speech', and according to sharia law are worthy of the death penalty; exactly what Rev.20:4 refers to!             Revelation 20:4: And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the (allah) beast, neither his (muhammad) image, neither had received his (islam) mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. .

What do you mean “in muslim countries”? You always seem to speak what is absolutely false. Indonesia has the largest Muslim population in the world and is the 4 largest country in the world it is not by any stretch of the imagination considered hate speech to talk about the Gospel of Jesus Christ or to be a Christian.

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The Indonesian Constitution states “every person shall be free to choose and to practice the religion of his/her choice” and “guarantees all persons the freedom of worship, each according to his/her own religion or belief”.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Indonesia

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Most Iranians are Muslims; 89%[1] to 90%[2] belong to the Shi'a branch of Islam, the official state religion, and about 8% belong to the Sunni branch of Islam. The remaining 2% are non-Muslim religious minorities, including Bahá'ís, Mandeans, Yarsanis, Zoroastrians, Jews, and Christians.[1] The latter three minority religions are officially recognized and protected, and have reserved seats in the Majlis (Iranian Parliament).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Iran
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You also didn't know that it was a “Islamic” country(Morocco)that was the first to recognize the United States of America and sign a treaty.

ED, I love it when you give me the oppotunity to inform people of the truth about Islam as I believe most people are as ill informed as you are.

Also, in Islam unlike Christianity no images of any prophet are allowed. No statues of Prophets or Pictures of prophets.

Also as I have repeatedly told you, you should stop Blaspheming the name of ALLAH as you are offending millions of Christians and Jews who know ALLAH as God because that is what the name means so you are showing great ignorance on this even after being taught about it already.

Do you really dislike all Arabs? Christian Arabs, Jewish Arabs?
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Christianity
Arabic-speakers of all Abrahamic faiths, including Christians and Jews, use the word “Allah” to mean “God”. The Christian Arabs of today have no other word for 'God' than 'Allah'.

[SimplyForgiven]

Hi All,
Paul suggest that i should post our private emails to eachother in reference to this page,
so This is me doing that.
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Paul Cohan Said:

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Hi Dennison! Thanks for the heads up about Bod. As for his challenge, he hasn’t answered a stitch of what I have already posted. https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….75;st=0 (My post is on page 5.) What makes Bod think I will start debating him on a new topic when he ignores the valid points I've already made against the false doctrine he espouses on our current topic, Who is that Prophet? No, we will not be letting him off the hook. I will be posting a reply to him on the forum soon, Lord willing.   I actually did read your latter posts in the atonement thread, which don't change the essence or truth of my message to you. I wasn’t judging hastily or by appearance. I described what is there, which Victor also saw independently of me, giving you another witness.   We are glad to hear, however, that you are willing to share these things with the others by posting my letter in the atonement thread. That is good. Let me know when it's posted. I will try to keep up with reading the posts that follow. Paul

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From: Dennison

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To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 7:16 PM Subject: Bod debate https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….t=3591; Bod Said: Hi Paul The best way to go at this is to post enough to ask or answer a question and not over burden the other with massive posts, I hope you agree but if you do not post as much as you feel you need to. My First Question: Does God accept Human Sacrifice? Yes or No? Hi Paul, Bod has challenged you to a debate, I sent the link I just thought i should inform you.

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From: Dennison

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To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 7:06 PM Subject: RE: who is that prophet   Quote You repeat this saying in various ways in more than one posting, crediting Bod with being a lover of God. There couldn’t be a bigger lie, Dennison. Bod has no use or love for God whatsoever. He denies God, which is the opposite of love, because he doesn’t believe the truth, Jesus Christ: 1 John 5:10-12 MKJV (10)  He who believes on the Son of God has the witness in himself. He who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he does not believe the record that God gave of His Son. (11)  And this is the record, that God has given to us everlasting life, and this life is in His Son. (12)  He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. Very True, I also believe that you are correct but im not as direct.  later in the threads i get very direct with him and asks him why he lies so much. Quote That is the very crux of the matter. And regarding this matter, Bod made a very good point that you didn’t answer: “Actually it is not off topic since you direct and assign glory to Christ in such a way that if you do not see him as God then you are not putting God first and if you see him as God you are not putting God first.” Taking those words at face value (and not necessarily as Bod meant them), they are right on. You are not worshipping Christ as God! This is not just a doctrinal matter, which you can argue against, but is a spiritual state and reality that argument doesn’t change. If you were in the right place, you would know that Jesus being God is the topic, and you would be able to answer him. Are you offended by my saying these things, Dennison? You shouldn’t be. I say them because they are true and can alert you to your need. Also True, and not to make excuses, but for the sake of clarity, i will explain myself. The whole forum is based on whether Jesus is God or not in the believers section, it is the most heated debate that reoccures and it is the most important one. The Reason why I made it clear that “Jesus is God ” is off subject because than it would take away from the focus of the debate. If I start making my case and cliams to prove that Jesus is God than i will be “jumped” not only by bod but by the “anti-trini” as well and every point and eveything i said previously will be null and void in other words forgotten. So i left that out of it for the moment, where I focused my attention more is the reason why we Need Jesus, or the need of Atonement which is the current subject. You have to understand that this was another one of BOD's Tactics to have others take away the heat from himself, and put the ball on my court. Instead of answering the questions and points in hand, he changes the focus.   Under these intentions, from what I know of Bod, who uses alot of trickery and alot of diversions to deviate from the debate, which i had to learn through many ruff expereinces with him. My Focus was to show him the need of a saviour, and to show him that we ALL fall short. To follow along with his intentions was just another trick up his sleeve. I understand, I wish you could have read most of the thread espeacialy the last posts.   I might like to write directly to Bod (can you send me his email address?), though I may try to post some of these comments in the atonement thread. But better than that, would you be willing to post them there, along with the rest of my letter to you? Wouldn’t it be good to acknowledge your failure before others, encouraging them to do the same in the things in which they err? How good would that be if everyone on the forum and in the larger world were willing to admit to being wrong? Wouldn’t you like that to see that happen where you are arguing against the error you see in others? Meanwhile, while I await your answer, I have replied to Bod’s comments in the “Who is that prophet” thread, now posted as follows: I dont have his Email, You can PM (private message) him on the forum or ask him for it.  He makes many videos on YouTube, and makes many preachings and sermons on there. Just look him up. I have no problem with posting this letter, As soon as you respond back to this one. I have admitted MANY many many times that i was wrong within the forum and for my misunderstandings.

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From: Paul Cohen

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To: Dennison Cc: Victor Hafichuk ; Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 6:43 PM Subject: RE: who is that prophet Hi Dennison, In the first thread you sent me, at the very beginning of the thread, Bod says that Moses made atonement for the people, trying to prove they were pardoned without the shedding of blood. But God said this: “And now go, lead the people to the place of which I have spoken to you. Behold, My Angel shall go before you. And in the day of My visitation I will visit their sin upon them” (Exodus 32:34 MKJV). So, there was no permanent removal of their sin, according to the Word of God, which Bod tries to use to prove otherwise. Even though God didn’t destroy them right then and there, the people didn’t change; judgment was reserved till a later date. There was no putting away of the sin forever, but that is exactly what God’s atonement achieves. And His atonement, foreshadowed by the blood sacrifices of goats, lambs, and bulls, was completed in ChristAs it is written: . “And almost all things are by the Law purged with blood, and without shedding of blood is no remission. Therefore it was necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these, but the heavenly things themselves were purified with better sacrifices than these” (Hebrews 9:22-23 MKJV). You say you “pinned” Bod in this thread, but we don’t see it. You said some true things, but we see him walking away after having gotten the better of you. Like Job’s comforters, you condemned him without pinning him. I didn’t read all of the posts (17 pages), but here at the beginning is where you fundamentally slipped up: SF Said: Quote “You said you love God naturally, Thats untrue, Its not becuase you loved God, that you love, Its because God loved you FIRST and than you love him back.” You repeat this saying in various ways in more than one posting, crediting Bod with being a lover of God. There couldn’t be a bigger lie, Dennison. Bod has no use or love for God whatsoever. He denies God, which is the opposite of love, because he doesn’t believe the truth, Jesus Christ: 1 John 5:10-12 MKJV (10)  He who believes on the Son of God has the witness in himself. He who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he does not believe the record that God gave of His Son. (11)  And this is the record, that God has given to us everlasting life, and this life is in His Son. (12)  He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. I also saw you saying this, which isn’t true: Quote “Whether Jesus is God or not is off topic!” That is the very crux of the matter. And regarding this matter, Bod made a very good point that you didn’t answer: Bod Said: Quote “Actually it is not off topic since you direct and assign glory to Christ in such a way that if you do not see him as God then you are not putting God first and if you see him as God you are not putting God first.” Taking those words at face value (and not necessarily as Bod meant them), they are right on. You are not worshipping Christ as God! This is not just a doctrinal matter, which you can argue against, but is a spiritual state and reality that argument doesn’t change. If you were in the right place, you would know that Jesus being God is the topic, and you would be able to answer him. Are you offended by my saying these things, Dennison? You shouldn’t be. I say them because they are true and can alert you to your need. Bod is a spiritual do-it-yourselfer WITHOUT Christ. He argues: Quote “God said that YOU must do it yourself and Jesus said that he overcame the world and that YOU must overcome which means he is not doing it for you and that's why he says: 'And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations' – Revelation 2:25-27″ He is right, we are exhorted to overcome, but BY the Lord Jesus Christ, and not in our own power, which is impossible because we are corrupt and have no power with God: “And I wept very much, because no one was found worthy to open and to read the book, nor to look at it. And one of the elders said to me, Do not weep. Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has prevailed to open the book and to loose the seven seals of it” (Revelation 5:4-5 MKJV). I might like to write directly to Bod (can you send me his email address?), though I may try to post some of these comments in the atonement thread. But better than that, would you be willing to post them there, along with the rest of my letter to you? Wouldn’t it be good to acknowledge your failure before others, encouraging them to do the same in the things in which they err? How good would that be if everyone on the forum and in the larger world were willing to admit to being wrong? Wouldn’t you like that to see that happen where you are arguing against the error you see in others? Meanwhile, while I await your answer, I have replied to Bod’s comments in the “Who is that prophet” thread, now posted as follows: Hi Bod, Paul here, the one who wrote the paper Dennison quoted from to start off this thread. I have replied to your comments, below:

[bodhitharta]

[email protected] that is my email address

And no Paul you are incorrect no one has gotten rid of sin permanently if it were true then it would be impossible to
sin today. Nothing has changed all sin must be repented from the scriptures actually say that not only can you still sin but to do so now would be worse than when you sinned in the past:

Hebrews 6:4-6 (King James Version)
4For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

So this verse is saying not only can you fall back into error it says that if you do it impossible to repent, so now I paraphrase your own statement “So, there was no permanent removal of their sin, according to the Word of God, which Paul(my insertion) tries to use to prove otherwise.”

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