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[olive]

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A “true” mother contributes during conception and pregnancy.

Hey 31,

1. What do you consider to be a 'true' mother ?

2. What do you feel Mary contributed to the conception ?

much love

[Not3in1]

94………….ah, chucks! Thanks, bro!

[Not3in1]

For Olive,
My answers:

1. A “true” mother in this thread is Mary, in my opinion, is Mary.
2. 23 chromosomes of her own genes/dna

[olive]

Hey 31,

Are you saying, the mother of Christ in the spiritual sense ?

Secular yes, her blood that nurished the child through the umbilical cord. He was born of a women, under the law.

I can see it in the secular, but having a hard time w/ the spiritual.

Get the milk out, I need it.

much love

[Not3in1]

Jesus is the unique Son of God.
Mary bore Jesus.
Mary contributed to her Son in the same way that any other Mother contributes to their sons.
Therefore, what was conceived in Mary is the combination of both God and Mary.
Jesus is a unique individual – neither an incarnation of God himself – nor two natures existing side by side.

I hope to have more on this in the conception thread later. More also in a John 1:1 thread. Thanks, Olive.

[Not3in1]

Also, if you would like to “catch up” on this topic and the conception topic – just read the threads through. Nick and I have been at this for a while.

[NickHassan]

Hi Not3,
You say
“Therefore, what was conceived in Mary is the combination of both God and Mary.”

Christ is the second Adam.
Christ is definitely a very ordinary man.

Is 53
“1Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?

2For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.

3He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. “

A very ordinary man transformed by the anointing of God's Spirit.

Adam was given life from God alone.
God's second Adam also had Mary's and thus Adam and David's genes

[olive]

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God's second Adam also had Mary's and thus Adam and David's genes.

There is the milk, fullfilled. I understand know.

Thanks Nick.

blessings and love.

[olive]

Thanks 31, for trying to explain this to me, and having patience.

much love.

[Not3in1]

Hi Olive – no thanks needed. I'm learning here, too. Sometimes someone can say something and I don't get it either, then along comes someone else who says the same thing only put differently and then I get it! That is what I love about this place…there are a lot of different teachers here (along with different lessons). Nick usually has a way of cutting right to the core of things; I don't know what HeavenNet would be without him.

[Not3in1]

OK, so I've decided that ORANGE is obnoxious to the eye – sorry. Ha! I'm trying to find a color I like.

[Not3in1]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 27 2007,20:09)

Hi Not3, You say “Therefore, what was conceived in Mary is the combination of both God and Mary.” Adam was given life from God alone. God's second Adam also had Mary's and thus Adam and David's genes

I agree. The reason Jesus was conceived was to receive these genes from the line of David – to fulfill God's promise. God loved David and promised him an heir (from his body, not adopted). The question remains though, what affect did Mary's genes being added to God's holy spirit (or previously existing spirit son) have?

[NickHassan]

Hi not3,
Does such a question relate if Adam was drawn from soil enlivened by the breath of God?
Genes relate only to the body and Mary gave only half what is needed but the Spirit provided from God the rest to prepare a body for the monogenes son.

[Not3in1]

Does such a question relate if Adam was drawn from soil enlivened by the breath of God?
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Hmmm? I guess it wouldn't. However Adam went on to produce after his own “kind.”

[NickHassan]

Hi not3,
Yes. And Christ is the second son, not Cain.

[Not3in1]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 28 2007,08:35)

Hi not3, Yes. And Christ is the second son, not Cain.

You'll have to elaborate on what you mean by the second son?

[NickHassan]

Hi not3,
He is the second man. Adam means man.
1Cor 15
” 45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven. “

ylt
” 47The first man [is] out of the earth, earthy; the second man [is] the Lord out of heaven;”
nasb
” 47The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven.”

niv
” 47The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. 48As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. 49And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven.”

So the two Adams are not the same in origin.

[Not3in1]

Cannot this also mean that God is the source of Jesus and therefore Jesus is “from heaven”? If not, why?

[NickHassan]

Hi not3,
The Mary part was not from heaven though.

[Not3in1]

No, but Mary is the “seed of David” part. Two parts make a whole – ha!

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