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Nick said:
Quote Hi tt,
Do you know what ONLY BEGOTTEN means?
One word in greek.It has nothing to do with any thought of being THE only begotten son as you might have thought.
Hi Nick,
The word “only begotten” is a compound word in the Greek. The second part of the word is “genes” and it takes its root meaning from “genos” which means “kin” (Strong's# 1085). Paul said that he wished for the salvation of his kinsmen according to the flesh (Rom. 9:3). The root word is also “genos” which simply means “kin”.John 1:18 means that the Son is the only begotten, that is, the only kin of God. This is what is meant in John 1:1,
Quote In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God [in kind]“. The attempts of the anti-trinitarians to explain away the true sense is falsely based on a grammar of the Greek definite article which is a total fabrication.
thinker
Hi tt,
Hebrews 11:17
By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,Nick said:
Quote By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, Nick,
How does the verse you cited from Hebrews argue against me?thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 23 2009,08:52) Hi tt,
Was Isaac the ONLY son of Abraham?
Nick,
Thanks for helping me to prove my point. Isaac was not Abraham's “only” son. Therefore, the expression “only begotten” in reference to Isaac had nothing to do with his origin. It had to do with his relation to Abraham. So Christ's title as “only begotten” had nothing to do with His origin. It had to do with His relation to God the Father.Please try to remember that “thethinker” is always one step ahead!
thinker
Hi TT,
Do you have any evidence to back up these thoughts?
Did the other son of Abraham have no relationship with him?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 23 2009,09:33) Hi TT,
Do you have any evidence to back up these thoughts?
Did the other son of Abraham have no relationship with him?
Hey Nick,
Did the “other son” of Abraham have the special relationship that Isaac had? If so, then why was Isaac called the “only begotten”?If we're all on the same level with Jesus, then why was Jesus called the “only begotten”?
thinker
thethinker said:
Quote Hey Nick,
Did the “other son” of Abraham have the special relationship that Isaac had? If so, then why was Isaac called the “only begotten”?If we're all on the same level with Jesus, then why was Jesus called the “only begotten”?
Nick replied:
Quote Good question.
Can scripture help guide you?If it is a good question then please answer it.
thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 24 2009,05:12) Hi TT,
Must we read the implications into scripture you see?
Nick,
You're not dealing with the question.thinker
Hi TT,
You say
“Did the “other son” of Abraham have the special relationship that Isaac had? If so, then why was Isaac called the “only begotten”?If we're all on the same level with Jesus, then why was Jesus called the “only begotten”?”
Both questions demand we accept that to be called ONLY BEGOTTEN is because of a SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP.
Is that so?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 24 2009,05:25) Hi TT,
You say
“Did the “other son” of Abraham have the special relationship that Isaac had? If so, then why was Isaac called the “only begotten”?If we're all on the same level with Jesus, then why was Jesus called the “only begotten”?”
Both questions demand we accept that to be called ONLY BEGOTTEN is because of a SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP.
Is that so?
The expression “only begotten demands the idea of special relationship. Otherwise the “only” part of it cannot be true. Ishamel was also Abraham's son and yet he was cast out of the covenant. It is after Ishmael was cast out of the covenant that Isaac became the “ONLY begotten”. It was AFTER Ishmael was cast out as an heir of the promise that God said to Abraham, “Offer up your ONLY son” (Gen. 21-22).Therefore, in covenantal terms Isaac had a special relationship to Abraham that Ishmael did not. Therefore, the expression “only begotten” in reference to Christ means that He had a special relationship the Father that all other Jews did not.
Again, no degree is needed to figure these thing out.
thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 31 2009,05:38) Hi tt,
Abraham had a MONOGENES son[Heb11]
Uniquely begotten.
Jesus is the Son of the Promise so perhaps MONOGENES means he is the Anointed One.That is a conjecture that I have not tested.
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