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David,
God knows more than us and he chooses when even a sparrow will fall.
As a human being I may even attempt to defend Cain when he came up for judgement but then I am not all knowing nor am I unable to be tempted by evil, much less sin.
David…..YOU HAVE DONE WELL LEAVING THAT JW CULT, NOW YOU ARE TRULY SEEKING TRUE FAITH, I BELIEVE, MUCH OF WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS CORRECT, YOU SEEM TO BE SEEKING A TRUE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE FATHER, NO ONE HERE CAN GIVE YOU THAT REALITY YOU ARE SEEKING , ONLY GOD THE FATHER CAN, KNOWLEDGE OF SCRIPTURES “alone” WILL NEVER GIVE YOU “TRUE” FAITH. I studied for years but did not have my own proof or “evidence” until i put the LORD TO THE TEST. HE is either with you or not, IF YOU HAVE TRUE FAITH YOU MUST HAVE IT UNTO “YOURSELF”, no one here can give you the evidence you seek, only GOD CAN, it is written, “HAVE YOU FAITH “HAVE IT UNTO YOURSELF”, yes true faith is very personal, no one can give it to you,
Remember what FAITH IS, “faith “is” the substance of things hoped for,the “EVIDENCE” of things not seen”.
So you do well seeking that true reality, a true relationship with the FATHER, MANY have replaced faith with supositions and actually have no true faith or relationship with the FATHER AT ALL. Their susposed “faith does NOT MEET what scripture says TRUE FAITH IS. Remember what GOD THE FATHER SAID,”I am found by them that seek me”. So continue to seek, ask, and knock, you have that going for you it appears. May GOD THE FATHER GRANT YOU THE “REALITY” AND THE “TRUE FAITH” YOU SEEK BROTHER.
peace and love to you and yours. …………….gene
Gene
I don’t remember ever saying anything to that effect. I don’t actually Rememebr mentioning jehovahs witnesses too much as all in the past 10 years. It’s probably been 8 years since I mentioned them. It is Nick that has posted 1000 posts about this continually saying things that aren’t true.
Hi David,
Saw the movie “Noble” the other day about Christina Noble. In one scene she TELLS God “I’LL WALK – YOU LEAD”. God does indeed lead her – but of course she had to believe, and look for the signs (small miracles), or she would have missed them.
Jeremiah 17,
5 Thus says the Lord:
“Cursed is the man who trusts in man
and makes flesh his strength,
whose heart turns away from the Lord.
6 He is like a shrub in the desert,
and shall not see any good come.
He shall dwell in the parched places of the wilderness,
in an uninhabited salt land.7 “Blessed is the man who trusts in the Lord,
whose trust is the Lord.
8 He is like a tree planted by water,
that sends out its roots by the stream,
and does not fear when heat comes,
for its leaves remain green,
and is not anxious in the year of drought,
for it does not cease to bear fruit.”9 The heart is deceitful above all things,
and desperately sick;
who can understand it?And, why is it solely up to God to feed the hungry, help the suffering, or protect his own earth from mans destruction. It’s up to us. How many of us live in comfortable homes, filling our own needs every day while others starve and are homeless in third world or war torn countries. Why blame God when we all could do something.
You either “carry the flame” (The Road – Cormac Mcarthy) or you don’t.
Hi miia,
And ps 2.3
“And he will be like a tree firmly planted by streams of water, which yields its fruit in its season,
and its leaf does not wither; and in whatever he does he prospers.
The wicked are not so, but they are like the chaff which the wind blows away”
The heart is deceitful above all things,
and desperately sick;
who can understand it?The heart (mushy emotional somewhat irrational part of the brain) is deceitful above all things.
Who can understand it?
what I’ve been doing is examining all the way people deceive themselves, the way our personal desires cloud our thinking, the ways our bias mentally filters out, or disqualifies information we don’t want to know The way we maximize that which we want to be true and minimize that which we don’t. The way we do these thing are parallel to mental disorders.
The way we start with the conclusion we want to accept and then work a backwards and find the proof of that conclusion. The ways we can almost see things that aren’t there if we just want to enough. The way we find patterns where there are none. The ways we find to see meaning in randomness.
the heart truly is deceitful. Those that don’t want to deceive themselves should study these traps in thinking, rather than blindly hope that their desired thoughts happen to be logical or evidence based.
Hi david,
Yes there is the intellectual approach.
But the heart is more faithful to truth than the mind.
Hi miia,
And ps 2.3
“And he will be like a tree firmly planted by streams of water, which yields its fruit in its season,
and its leaf does not wither; and in whatever he does he prospers.
The wicked are not so, but they are like the chaff which the wind blows away”
Hi Nick.
It’s easy to go off course, but the way to go back is to feel inspired and do what GOD wants.The heart is deceitful above all things,
and desperately sick;
who can understand it?The heart (mushy emotional somewhat irrational part of the brain) is deceitful above all things.
Who can understand it?
what I’ve been doing is examining all the way people deceive themselves, the way our personal desires cloud our thinking, the ways our bias mentally filters out, or disqualifies information we don’t want to know The way we maximize that which we want to be true and minimize that which we don’t. The way we do these thing are parallel to mental disorders.
The way we start with the conclusion we want to accept and then work a backwards and find the proof of that conclusion. The ways we can almost see things that aren’t there if we just want to enough. The way we find patterns where there are none. The ways we find to see meaning in randomness.
the heart truly is deceitful. Those that don’t want to deceive themselves should study these traps in thinking, rather than blindly hope that their desired thoughts happen to be logical or evidence based.
Hi David.
I think maybe you have been around too many people that doubt God’s leading and miracles. Have some faith. It will change your life (:Praying now for you David. Time is a healer.
the heart truly is deceitful.
The heart is not always deceitful. The heart is from God. Feelings can lead us IF GOD is also leading us. If God is leading us then the heart is held by God.
David…..Sorry for the misunderstanding of you being a JW brother. The rest of what I said though does apply imo. You are right about the heart, scripture does say “the heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?”
“The LORD searches the heart, he tries the reins, to giveeveryman according to “his” ways, and accordingto “his” doings.”
peace and love to you and yours. …………..gene
milia,
Going by feeling is playing Russian roulette and sometimes you shoot yourself. God gave us reason for a reason. The heart is more than mere feeling since self denial is a protective measure used by sin in the flesh and I do not believe it is solely based on emotions. The heart is the source of desires according to Jesus for he told us that out of the heart come the fruit of desire be it evil or righteousness.
David,
I know I believe things in Scripture that are uncomfortable for me to believe but they are in tune with who God is.
I do assume that God is righteous and cannot be tempted by evil and that is one of the premiss I base my understanding on.
From reading Scripture it seems God has a limited interference policy with the things of this earth. Mostly we do not even see his interference such as when he prevented Satan from killing Job or Job’s wife but allowed him to wreck havoc in Job’s life by killing his child, servants, animals, and even striking Job with illness. This happened to Job who is credited with righteousness in Scripture.
We talked about a woman and her children who was raped by her father for 25 years but he did not take her life and at the she was freed. A woman that keep her faith though tested. Such a woman I hope is credited with righteousness; though if she herself lacked love her trials and tribulations were in vain. To those that live for ever 25 years of suffering or even a whole mortal life is as nothing and for those that are perishing it cares not as they will no longer exist after a time and time of torment.
Would I strive to prevent Abel’s death at the hands of Cain? Yes, as that is what God commands. God did not because he is the one true God and the fates of each man are in his hands. He determines where and when each of us is conceived, born, lives, moves, and dies and not even angels or other heavenly creatures have that power and responsibility. Abel perished and his soul descended to the Paradise of Sheol but only until Judgement day when he will be found among the sheep. If Cain did not listen to God’s rebuke and repent he will be found among the goats.
Going by feeling is playing Russian roulette and sometimes you shoot yourself. God gave us reason for a reason. The heart is more than mere feeling since self denial is a protective measure used by sin in the flesh and I do not believe it is solely based on emotions. The heart is the source of desires according to Jesus for he told us that out of the heart come the fruit of desire be it evil or righteousness.
Hi Kerwin,
“But the things that proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and those defile the man. For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders.”
But, evidence of the Holy Spirit is a new heart of compassion and obedience.
“Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. “Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. “I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances.”
Miia…. Well put, you have put it correctly, GOD MUST CHANGE OUR HEARTS BEFORE WE CAN “TRULY” WALK IN HIS WAYS AND DO THE THINGS THAT PLEASE HIM. “For he (GOD), works in us “both” to “will” and “do” of his good pleasure”.
peace and love to you and yours. ………….gene
I feel like I should create a separate thread on prayer and illness.
There are are many many scriptures that say we should pray to God for healing and he will answer your prayer. It talks of moving mountain like obstacles and says nothing is impossible. Whatever you ask I will do it. Nothing will be impossible.
And there is one scripture that seems to have a qualifier saying: whatever you ask in faith, believing, he hears you.
Imagine how how many amputees there are. Imagine how many have prayed for a miraculous cure. Now how many do we think we’re cured? It seems to be that God only persoms the sort of miracles today that might happen even if he didn’t intervene. Lame example: you have a cold. You pray to get better. A few days you do. A miracle? Unlikely. The things that people say are miracles are all things that may have happened anyway.
Pots true that some of these things seem highly improbable and to the individual they must seem that way. But when you step back, a 1/1,000,000 chance of something happening, might happen 7000 times a day on earth. And to those people it’s miraculous because the odds were 1/1,000,000. But given 7 billion people, these rare occurrences are happening all the time.
What at doesn’t happen is amputees being miraculously healed, no matter how much they pray. Why is that. Why is it that God today only perfo,s miracles that might have happene anyway.
Hi david,
Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and everything else will be added to you.
The powers of God are not easily accessible by all worldly men.
Judging God will not improve your own situation.
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