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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 08 2011,20:56) Cowards.
MikeYou are the coward because you mis-quote someone out of context to support your doubt of the scriptures even though you have no proof.
You are the coward because you can't face up to the fact that there is not a single MSS that has a variant of Matt 28:19.
You are the coward because you reject Jesus words and place yourself above the scriptures.
You are the coward because you cannot face up to Biblical proof that “a Trinity” is found in the scriptures.
WJ
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 09 2011,14:04) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 09 2011,03:29) So Thanks Mike for admitting that the word “God” in referring to Jesus can mean that Jesus is The True God and that he is your “true god”!
John 17:3
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, The only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.Question to you WJ.
If Jesus Christ is identified as God in this verse, then who is Jesus Christ. Is he an impostor, because according to your doctrine, there are 2 Jesus Christs in this verse?Please explain.
Hi T8,A better question would be… Did Christ send himself?
What did they both say again about only one “ARTICLE”?Was it something like… Fisks law has never been refuted?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (t8 @ Mar. 08 2011,22:04) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 09 2011,03:29) So Thanks Mike for admitting that the word “God” in referring to Jesus can mean that Jesus is The True God and that he is your “true god”!
John 17:3
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.Question to you WJ.
If Jesus Christ is identified as God in this verse, then who is Jesus Christ. Is he an impostor, because according to your doctrine, there are 2 Jesus Christs in this verse?Please explain.
t8You should look at the verse in context of Johns prologue.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD. John 1:1
Notice John 1:1c “identifies” Jesus as God.
So does John 17:3 say the Word is not God?
Was John confused? It seems that you guys think so.
But notice the equality that God the Son has with God the Father, “Eternal life is contengent upon knowing both the Father and the Son”. Imagine that!
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 10 2011,02:52) Quote (t8 @ Mar. 08 2011,22:04) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 09 2011,03:29) So Thanks Mike for admitting that the word “God” in referring to Jesus can mean that Jesus is The True God and that he is your “true god”!
John 17:3
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.Question to you WJ.
If Jesus Christ is identified as God in this verse, then who is Jesus Christ. Is he an impostor, because according to your doctrine, there are 2 Jesus Christs in this verse?Please explain.
t8You should look at the verse in context of Johns prologue.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD. John 1:1
Notice John 1:1c “identifies” Jesus as God.
So does John 17:3 say the Word is not God?
Was John confused? It seems that you guys think so.
But notice the equality that God the Son has with God the Father, “Eternal life is contengent upon knowing both the Father and the Son”. Imagine that!
WJ
TO ALL,See new thread “Exposing Freak Greek” in Scripture and Biblical Doctrine.
KJ
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 08 2011,21:09) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 09 2011,03:37) I will not debate with someone who denys all scripture as being inspired. What is the point?
Does that also include 1 John 5:7-8 (The Johannine Comma), John 5:4, Acts 8:37, and Mark 16:9-20?
I know about 5:8. What's the story with the others, t8?mike
Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 09 2011,10:23) TO ALL, See new thread “Exposing Freak Greek” in Scripture and Biblical Doctrine.
Yes, please do.I just posed a very simple question to Jack and Keith in that thread. Let's see how many months it takes for them to DIRECTLY and HONESTLY answer it.
Hopefully not as long as it took Keith to learn that there ARE elohim in scripture who are neither God Almighty nor false gods.
Hopefully not as long as it took Jack to learn that just being called “god” doesn't mean you are GOD.
mike
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 09 2011,09:16) Mike You are the coward because you mis-quote someone out of context to support your doubt of the scriptures even though you have no proof.
You have GOT to be kidding me! I did NOT post YOU out of context. I posted the relevant part of what took me 2 years to get you to admit.YOU, on the other hand, have posted a misprint of mine, that I CLARIFIED to you the next day…………..WEEKS AGO…………..and have plastered it up all over this site.
I told you very clearly that I mistaken posted “THE” true god, when I MEANT, and should have posted, “A” true god.
I TOLD YOU THIS THE NEXT DAY WEEKS AGO.
Now, WHO'S the REAL coward here, Keith?
mike
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 10 2011,02:52) Quote (t8 @ Mar. 08 2011,22:04) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 09 2011,03:29) So Thanks Mike for admitting that the word “God” in referring to Jesus can mean that Jesus is The True God and that he is your “true god”!
John 17:3
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.Question to you WJ.
If Jesus Christ is identified as God in this verse, then who is Jesus Christ. Is he an impostor, because according to your doctrine, there are 2 Jesus Christs in this verse?Please explain.
t8You should look at the verse in context of Johns prologue.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD. John 1:1
Notice John 1:1c “identifies” Jesus as God.
So does John 17:3 say the Word is not God?
Was John confused? It seems that you guys think so.
But notice the equality that God the Son has with God the Father, “Eternal life is contengent upon knowing both the Father and the Son”. Imagine that!
WJ
Quote Notice John 1:1c “identifies” Jesus as God.
Hi WJ,No, I didn't notice? …And (by the way) how exactly it does that?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2011,20:37) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 09 2011,09:16) Mike You are the coward because you mis-quote someone out of context to support your doubt of the scriptures even though you have no proof.
You have GOT to be kidding me! I did NOT post YOU out of context. I posted the relevant part of what took me 2 years to get you to admit.YOU, on the other hand, have posted a misprint of mine, that I CLARIFIED to you the next day…………..WEEKS AGO…………..and have plastered it up all over this site.
I told you very clearly that I mistaken posted “THE” true god, when I MEANT, and should have posted, “A” true god.
I TOLD YOU THIS THE NEXT DAY WEEKS AGO.
Now, WHO'S the REAL coward here, Keith?
mike
MikeYou are the coward for denying the scriptures instead of admitting Matt 28:19 is scripture you would rather hold onto your false doctrine because you are not brave enough to accept the truth.
What you said is what you said Mike. You accuse me of stating something that is not my intent of my quote in its context yet you think you should be excluded from us quoting you?
BTW when I said you misquoted I was speaking of the Trinitarian commentary about Matt 28:19
WJ
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 08 2011,22:09) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 09 2011,03:37) I will not debate with someone who denys all scripture as being inspired. What is the point?
Does that also include 1 John 5:7-8 (The Johannine Comma), John 5:4, Acts 8:37, and Mark 16:9-20?
t8There may be some variances in the manuscripts but they are few and any scripture that you find in the translations we have today have the scriptures in some of the manuscripts.
Matt 28:19 is unambiguous because it is found in its tri-part form in every extant MSS.
When you or any other believer starts casting doubt on the inspired word of God, the Bible, then that is going down a slippery slope and IMO if you doubt any scripture then you don't have a right to say that you believe in all scripture as being inspired and authentic. It is one thing to debate variances and differences in translations but it is another thing to say a scripture is corrupt and shouldn't be in the Bible.
Even 1 John 5:7 is in some MSS and I believe it is inspired for it doesn't contradict the scripture as a whole.
t8 do you believe Matthew 28:19 is a corrupted text?
If so can you prove it?
WJ
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2011,20:37)
I told you very clearly that I mistaken posted “THE” true god, when I MEANT, and should have posted, “A” true god.
Oh I see, so you believe Jesus is “a god” which means he is another god and that is the definition of a Polytheist.John nor any of the Hebrews believed in other gods and especially didn't call them “their God” and bow down to them and serve them.
God is “a God” among many false gods isn't he? So what is the difference?
So now Mike says Jesus is “a god” (though there are no caps in the Hebrew or Greek) and even better he is now claiming this “god” or demi-god or half-breed is his god.
WJ
WJ, a person who says that 3 persons are the Most High God is a polytheist because he believes that more than one person is God.
Whereas, those who believe that the Father is the Most High God, believe that there is one God.
The very word Trinity is descriptive of believing that more than one is God.And whether we like it or not, we have to face the reality that scripture calls men and angels by that title.
The contradiction is of course not a contradiction when you understand how these words are used in scripture.
“Ye are gods, you are all sons of the Most High” is a perfect example.Just as there is one who is 'Adam' (actually there is a second one too), there are many who are called 'adam'.
We face reality and cater for scripture the way it is written and applied. You do not.
You are trying to change it due to your limited understanding or stubborn nature if indeed you do understand it.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 11 2011,09:02)
Even 1 John 5:7 is in some MSS and I believe it is inspired for it doesn't contradict the scripture as a whole.
Hi WJ,1John 5:7 was clearly added! and this verse PROVES it!
Psalm 119:89 For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven.
1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the
Father, the Word, and the HolySpirit: and these three are one.First: If God's word is settled in Heaven, what further testimony is needed?
Furthermore: For it to be “Genuine”, it should read…
The HolySpirit is the “The Word” ! (Click here)
1 John 5:7 (CORRECTED) For there are three that
bear “the record” in heaven, the Father, Jesus,
and “THE WORD”, and these three are one.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 10 2011,16:16) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2011,20:37)
I told you very clearly that I mistaken posted “THE” true god, when I MEANT, and should have posted, “A” true god.
Oh I see, so you believe Jesus is “a god” which means he is another god and that is the definition of a Polytheist.
Hi Keith,Here are our very own words:
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 20 2011 @ 19:31)
Are there elohim mentioned in scripture who are neither “God Almighty” nor “false gods”?Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 22 2011 @ 05:31)
MikeYes
After acknowledging what you did above, how can you even make the statement you did today?
These are the games you play Keith, for you too have acknowledged that there are other “gods”. Are YOU a polytheist?
mike
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 10 2011,21:01) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 10 2011,16:16) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2011,20:37)
I told you very clearly that I mistaken posted “THE” true god, when I MEANT, and should have posted, “A” true god.
Oh I see, so you believe Jesus is “a god” which means he is another god and that is the definition of a Polytheist.
Hi Keith,Here are our very own words:
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 20 2011 @ 19:31)
Are there elohim mentioned in scripture who are neither “God Almighty” nor “false gods”?Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 22 2011 @ 05:31)
MikeYes
After acknowledging what you did above, how can you even make the statement you did today?
These are the games you play Keith, for you too have acknowledged that there are other “gods”. Are YOU a polytheist?
mike
No MikeFor I believe the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit are “One” in essence, substance and being, the Godkind!
You don't!
You believe Jesus is less than “the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being”, Heb 1:3
You believe Jesus is less than God when the scritpures tell us he is equal to God in nature, power, role, and postition.
You cannot prove he isn't!
WJ
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 14 2011,17:09) You know what!
Mike is OLD
Yeap! The same ole arguments over and over and over again ad infinitum.KJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 14 2011,10:22) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 10 2011,21:01) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 10 2011,16:16) Hi Keith, Here are our very own words:
mikeboll64 wrote:Are there elohim mentioned in scripture who are neither “God Almighty” nor “false gods”?
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 22 2011 @ 05:31)
MikeYes
After acknowledging what you did above, how can you even make the statement you did today?
These are the games you play Keith, for you too have acknowledged that there are other “gods”. Are YOU a polytheist?
mike
No MikeFor I believe the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit are “One” in essence, substance and being, the Godkind!
You don't!
You believe Jesus is less than “the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being”, Heb 1:3
You believe Jesus is less than God when the scritpures tell us he is equal to God in nature, power, role, and postition.
You cannot prove he isn't!
WJ
Diversion!Answer my question Keith. The Hebrews used ONE word for “god” – in varying forms, of course. But if elohim is their ONE WORD for “god”, and you say there ARE other elohim who are not God Almighty and are NOT false gods, then are YOU a polytheist?
Here's the deal Keith. Polytheists WORSHIP more than one God. I worship only our ONE God, Jehovah – the Father. It is YOU who worships His Son as God along with Him. Scripture tells you that the only true God is THE FATHER. Scripture tells you that for us, there is but ONE God, THE FATHER. Scripture tells you to worship Jehovah your God, and serve Him ONLY. Jesus tells you the same exact thing.
Which one of us is obeying the commands of both God AND His Son Jesus Christ? And which one of us is worshipping someone OTHER THAN THE FATHER against the command of God Himself AND His Son?
The latter one is the POLYTHEIST. And the latter one is YOU!
mike
Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 14 2011,14:56) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 14 2011,17:09) You know what!
Mike is OLD
Yeap! The same ole arguments over and over and over again ad infinitum.KJ
Does anyone else see these comments? Does anyone else suspect that these three get together via pm and decide which thread to cause a diversion in?(Hint: It will always happen when one of them is stuck on an answer to a valid point.)
Jack and D,
Why not add your comments? Keith believes there ARE gods in scripture who are neither God Almighty nor false gods. Yet he calls ME a polytheist when HE is the one who actually WORSHIPS one of these vice regents OF God Almighty against the commands of God and His Son.
Which one sounds more like a polytheist? The one who acknowledges the scriptural truth that there are many elohim in scripture who aren't God Almighty? Or the one who worships one of them?
mike
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