MIKE, TERRA, ED

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Deuteronomy 10:17
For the LORD your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great God, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality and accepts no bribes.

Marlin, can you name one of the gods Jehovah is the God of?

Brother Mike,

We make gods and lords out of lots of difference things.

Your understanding in this is not quite right. Anything that you make a god out of means nothing to Him, for He is still the only True GOD. Anything that you make your Lord out of, also means nothing to Him, for He is still the only True LORD.

Scripture has to line up from A to Z. He can not say in one place that is is the only GOD and the only LORD and the only SAVIOUR, then in another place change that to something different. It is never HIM that is making the mistakes, it is in OUR UNDERSTANDING, we have to correct US.

God Bless
bro. Marlin

November 20, 2012 at 5:19 am#321087

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B. Why does it say Jesus shepherds the flock in the name of Jehovah, HIS God?

Brother Mike,

Scripture Please, I can not find it in my bible.

bro. Marlin

November 20, 2012 at 4:06 pm#321137

GeneBalthrop

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next is this,
Jesus is the only created Son of GOD. He did not become a son of God as we, He was created The SON of GOD. In the womb of Mary HE was the Son of GOD. He was born the Son of GOD. He is Emanuel (GOD with US). He is the Incarnate GOD. He was GOD in Flesh.

Marlin1……Let me say i believe you do see God (in) in the man Jesus. But maybe not exactly as i see it Brother. Frost lets deal with the Idea, of Jesus being the “ONLY” CREATED SON OF GOD , Scripture tell us that Adam was a Son of God and he certainly was created by God correct, So this idea of One and only, Created by God as a Son does not line up with all scriptures.

Jesus was “uniquely begotten of God that is true, So where does this idea of “ONLY” fit in context with “ALL” scripture? To me it only fits if we can see that this is speaking of being the First and only (from all of CREATION) to be BORN into the KINGDOM of GOD (at this time and also at the time that was written)

Next let me tell you how i see the part of His name shall be Called Emanuel (God with US) , First it does not say He “is” Emanuel but his “name” Shall be called that ( a future tense expression) Jesus so far has never been called by that name. But he could be, Why < because as i have previously posted God the FATHER was truly “in” Him He was co-habiting His very Body with Jesus, Did not Jesus say over and over the Father was in him ? So how was the Father “in him” was it not by the CHRISTOS he received at the Jordan River , God is a Spirit and can indwell any one but none of that would make the Person He was in a GOD. Nor did it make Jesus a God either.

Remember Jesus' word brother………The son of Man can do “nothing of himself”, the father “IN” me “HE” doth the works So God was with us IN the “man” Jesus and because of this his name Shall be Called “EMMANUEL”

And also what Thomas came to see and say was true , My Lord (Jesus) “AND” my GOD The anointing Jesus had was God's Spirit and so God was Present “IN” Him, Just as He said He was. IMO

AS far as the term Incarnate God goes God was indeed in his Flesh which he considered a Temple, and Indwelt him that in no way made him the God that was “in” him

Marlin1 remember the sum of total of the word of God is truth This moving Jesus to a God status is exactly what the Book of 2 This 2 is referring to , it is changing the image of Jesus to a God image It is the Great lie mentioned there, and that is Presenting Jesus as a GOD Brother, a Lie which he will abolish at his return. This Lie changes Jesus' image into a Man of Sin, why? because it is a sin to make another God. That is called Idolatry.

This whole concept of moving Jesus away from our “exact Identity” with Him as a Human Being is a False teaching Brother. I believe you have enough of the Spirit to come to see this brother. I will ask God to open you mind to see this truth brother.

peace and love to you and yours Marlin1…………………..gene

November 20, 2012 at 4:23 pm#321141

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B. Why does it say Jesus shepherds the flock in the name of Jehovah, HIS God?

Brother Mike,

Scripture Please, I can not find it in my bible.

bro. Marlin

MT 2:6 ‘AND YOU, BETHLEHEM, LAND OF JUDAH,
ARE BY NO MEANS LEAST AMONG THE LEADERS OF JUDAH;
FOR OUT OF YOU SHALL COME FORTH A RULER
WHO WILL SHEPHERD MY PEOPLE ISRAEL.’ ”
MT 9:36 Seeing the people, He felt compassion for them, because they were distressed and dispirited like sheep without a shepherd.
MT 25:32 “All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats;
MT 26:31 Then Jesus *said to them, “You will all fall away because of Me this night, for it is written, ‘I WILL STRIKE DOWN THE SHEPHERD, AND THE SHEEP OF THE FLOCK SHALL BE SCATTERED.’
MK 6:34 When Jesus went ashore, He saw a large crowd, and He felt compassion for them because they were like sheep without a shepherd; and He began to teach them many things.
MK 14:27 And Jesus *said to them, “You will all fall away, because it is written, ‘I WILL STRIKE DOWN THE SHEPHERD, AND THE SHEEP SHALL BE SCATTERED.’
JN 10:2 “But he who enters by the door is a shepherd of the sheep.
JN 10:11 “ I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep.
JN 10:12 “He who is a hired hand, and not a shepherd, who is not the owner of the sheep, sees the wolf coming, and leaves the sheep and flees, and the wolf snatches them and scatters them.
JN 10:14 “ I am the good shepherd, and I know My own and My own know Me,
JN 10:16 “I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.
JN 21:16 He *said to him again a second time, “Simon, son of John, do you love Me?” He *said to Him, “Yes, Lord; You know that I love You.” He *said to him, “ Shepherd My sheep.”

November 21, 2012 at 1:24 am#321186

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He can not say in one place that is is the only GOD and the only LORD and the only SAVIOUR, then in another place change that to something different. It is never HIM that is making the mistakes, it is in OUR UNDERSTANDING, we have to correct US.

Marlin,

Please answer the question I asked:

Can you name one of the gods that YHWH is the God of?

As for your points above, you must realize that Jehovah said He was the ONLY savior, but then sent OTHER saviors.

He said He was the ONLY god, but then called Satan “the god of Ekron”, and rendered judgement upon “the gods of Egypt”.

Surely you know what an EMPHATICAL statement is, right? Let me give you a good, scriptural example:

1 Corinthians 8:6
……there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

How many lords are there for us, Marlin? Just ONE, right?

Ephesians 6:5
Slaves, obey your earthly lords with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

What? Our earthly lords? How can Paul speak of OTHER lords we have, when he told us that Jesus was our ONLY lord?

Perhaps these earthly lords are really Jesus in the flesh?

Are you starting to understand emphatical statements yet? Or shall I list some more examples?

November 21, 2012 at 1:34 am#321189

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B. Why does it say Jesus shepherds the flock in the name of Jehovah, HIS God?

Brother Mike,

Scripture Please, I can not find it in my bible.

bro. Marlin

Micah 5:4.

Also compare Ezekiel 34:24. Notice in that scripture who will be “their God”. Take special notice of the fact that Jesus is NOT the one who will be “their God”, but instead is “my servant David” and “prince among them”.

November 21, 2012 at 3:23 pm#321218

GeneBalthrop

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Mike………Anything you worship is “YOUR GOD” it will stand in placve of God, but is that a “REAL GOD” Apsolutely Not. There is “ONLY ONE TRUE GOD According to Jesus and God himself, People set up all Kinds of God (in the sense they worship and serve whatever)

But OUR GOD clearly said he looked for another God and found NONE” . But you Mike on the other hand reject his words and say, despite what God himself said, you still have other Gods You seem to be unable to understand, all SO”Called God are Not Gods at all . If you believed Jesus who said clearly thou art the “ONLY” True GOD, that alone should tell you all other so called are not “TRUE GODS” . Our God is not Just another GOD he is the “ONLY TRUE GOD, according to Jesus and God himself and Paul also.

Pagan have many so-called God but they are only Gods set up in their minds and do not actually exist. All Leaders the God sets up stand in Place of Him to the people as David and the elders of Isreal did, People like Moses etc. but none of them are TRUE GODS themselves. And that includes Jesus also, he had a God and it was not Him I assure you.

peace and love to you and yours……………………………………………………..gene

November 22, 2012 at 5:23 am#321296

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Marlin1……Let me say i believe you do see God (in) in the man Jesus. But maybe not exactly as i see it Brother. Frist lets deal with the Idea, of Jesus being the “ONLY” CREATED SON OF GOD , Scriptur tell us that Adam was a Son of God and he certainly was created by God correct, So this idea of One one Created by God as a Son does not line up with all scriptures.

Next let me tell you how i see the part of His mane shall be Called Emanuel (God with US) , First it does n ot say He is Emanuel but his name Shall be called that ( a future tense expression) Jesus so far has never been called by that name. But he could be, Why < becasue as i have previouselt posted GOd the FATHER was truly "in" Him He was co-habbiting His very Body with Jesus, Did not Jesus say over and over the Father was in him ? So how was the Father "in him" was it not by the CHRISTOS he recieved at the Jordan River , God is a Sprit and can indwell any one but none of that would make the Person He was in a GOD. Nor did it make Jesus a GOd either.

Remember Jesus' word brother………The son of Man can do “nothing of himself”, the father “IN” me “HE” doth the works So God was with us IN the “man” Jesus and becasue of this his name Shall be Called “EMANUAL”

And also what Thomas came to see and say was true , My Lord (Jesus) “AND” my GOD The anointing Jesus had was God's Spirit and so God was Present “IN” Him, Just as He said He was. IMO

AS far as the term Incarnet God goes God was indeed in his Flesh which he considered a Temple, and Indwelt him that in no way made him the God that was “in” him

Marlin1 remeber the sum of total of the word of God is truth This moving Jesus to a GOd status is exactly what the Book of 2 Ths 2 is reffering to , it is changing the image of Jesus to a God image It is the Great lie mentioned there, and that is Presenting Jeus as a GOD Brother, a Lie which he will abolish at his return. This Lie change Jesus” image into a Man of Sin, why? because it is a sin to make another God .

This whole concept moves Jesus away from our exact Idenity with Him as a Human Being and it is a False teaching Brother. I believe you have enough of the Spirit to come to see this brother. I will ask God to open you mind to see this truth brother.

peace and love to you and yours Marlin1…………………..gene

Brother Gene,

I am glad that we can discuss this as brothers.

You are correct that Adam was created.
I COR 15:45 † And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

These do not apply to the first Adam.
COL 2:9 † For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

COL 1:14 † In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 † Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 † For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 † And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

JESUS, therefore, is the EXPRESS IMAGE of the unseen God, God creating a FLESH-BODY of His own.

GOD’S THOUGHTS EXPRESSED INTO “WORD” (LOGOS)
God, began to express Himself from eternity, by His spoken Word.
Time began when God started speaking. This great Fountain of Spirit which had no beginning or no end, began to express His attributes by the Spoken Word. Out of the existence of the Father went out the “Logos”, which was the Word, which was God’s “Theophany”.

It was a visible body of the great Jehovah God going forth in the beginning.
It was called the “Logos”, which in the original Greek, means “something spoken; which includes the thoughts of the Speaker”.

That Logos was God’s “express image”. It was God Himself made into Word. That Logos that went out from the great eternal Spirit was called the “Son” of God.

It was the only visible form that this Spirit had. And It was a “theophany”, which means a celestial body, and that body was like a “man”. Time, then, began when that “Logos” came out of God, as evident in the succeeding scripture.
John 1:1-3, “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made” ..
And the Word was made flesh and dwelt amongst us.” (John 1:1-3,14).

From that “theophany” is where man was also created by God, after His own image, which was a “spirit-man”: “And God said, Let US make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.”(Genesis 1:26,27).

The “Let US make man in OUR own image” in the above verses refer to God the Father (the great Spirit) talking, speaking to His Theophany Body, which was His begotten Son.

I TIM 3:16 † And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

God Himself taking the form of a man. Jesus Christ was the FLESH of God, none other than God Himself
creating a BODY of His own. That fleshly BODY was called the “SON”, while the
SPIRIT indwelling that body was the “FATHER”. Not two Gods now, but God
veiling Himself in FLESH.

Jesus was also called “Emmanuel”, meaning, “God WITH us”, God dwelling with men.
When the Father decided to come down as our Saviour, He put on a robe
of flesh and planted Himself, as a seed, in the womb of Mary. This seed was to
produce the flesh and blood of the Body He would dwell in as the Son, Jesus Christ.

Jesus is God becoming man, to redeem man back to Himself. God could not die in the Spirit
because He’s eternal. But He had to put on a MASK and ACT the part of death. He did die, but He couldn’t do it in His God form. He had to do it in SON form, as a Son of Man on earth.

JESUS WAS WORSHIPED
Here are some Scriptures that tell us that JESUS, THE MAN, ACCEPTED WORSHIP : (See Scriptures: Matt. 8:2, 9:18, 14:33, 15:25, 28:9, 28:17; Mark 5:6; Luke 24:52; John 9:38)

MATTHEW 8:2-3, “And, behold, there came a leper and worshiped him, ….
MATTHEW 9:18, “ While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain
ruler, and worshiped him, ……”
MATTHEW 14:32-33, “And when they were come into the ship, the wind ceased. Then
they that were in the ship came and worshiped him, ……
MATTHEW 15:25-27, “Then came she and worshiped him, ……”
MATTHEW 28:9-10, “And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them,
saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshiped him. …….”
MATTHEW 28:16-17, “Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a
mountain where Jesus had appointed them. And when they saw him, t
hey worshiped
him: …..”
MARK 5:6-7, “But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshiped him, ……..”
LUKE 24:51-52- “And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from
them, and carried up into heaven. And they worshiped him, ……..”
JOHN 9:38, “And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him,
and it is he that talketh with thee. And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshiped
him.”

Jesus was worshiped, which makes Him a god or The GOD.

The FATHER CREATED a BODY which was GOD THE SON, and LIVED in the SON.
John 1:3-”All things were made by Him, and without Him was not any thing made that was made.”

He is the One of Whom it is said, Gen. 1:1 – “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth”. Also it says in Ex. 20:11, “For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day.”
He was the Creator of a FINISHED PHYSICAL CREATION. Surely we can see what these words mean now. To have any other interpretation would mean that God created God. How could God be created when He, Himself, is the Creator?

God Bless
bro. Marlin

November 22, 2012 at 5:28 am#321297

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Pierre

Sorry my brother, you have failed to answer the quote.

The quote was this.
B. Why does it say Jesus shepherds the flock in the name of Jehovah, HIS God?

God Bless
bro. Marlin

November 22, 2012 at 5:43 am#321299

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Pierre

Sorry my brother, you have failed to answer the quote.

The quote was this.
B. Why does it say Jesus shepherds the flock in the name of Jehovah, HIS God?

God Bless
bro. Marlin

I thought you would have understood from those scriptures,but I guess I was wrong,

Look at John 17:1-5

it seems to me you are not acquainted with the scriptures, I hope this will help you ,

November 22, 2012 at 6:46 am#321302

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Micah 5:4.

Brother Mike,

Two interesting scriptures here,
I believe Ezekiel is speaking way in the future. After the end of sin.

MICAH 5:4 † And he shall stand and feed in the strength of the LORD, in the majesty of the name of the LORD his God; and they shall abide: for now shall he be great unto the ends of the earth.

JOHN 5:43 † I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
John 17:11 NIV
I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name–the name you gave me

The Name of the only person of God. The Lord Jesus Christ

God Bless
bro. Marlin

November 22, 2012 at 4:43 pm#321355

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I thought you would have understood from those scriptures,but I guess I was wrong,

Look at John 17:1-5

it seems to me you are not acquainted with the scriptures, I hope this will help you ,

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Pierre

Brother Pierre,

You are adding to these scriptures to fit what you want them to say.
Remember the question? None of your answers address the question.

In John 17 v2 it says that Jesus gives eternal life. Who? (JESUS) gives eternal life.

John 21:16 Jesus said Sheppard MY sheep…….. Who's? (JESUS) Sheep.

My brother, you seem to be using a private interpretation. We should not add to or take from.

God Bless
bro. Marlin

November 22, 2012 at 6:00 pm#321358

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I thought you would have understood from those scriptures,but I guess I was wrong,

Look at John 17:1-5

it seems to me you are not acquainted with the scriptures, I hope this will help you ,

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Pierre

Brother Pierre,

You are adding to these scriptures to fit what you want them to say.
Remember the question? None of your answers address the question.

In John 17 v2 it says that Jesus gives eternal life. Who? (JESUS) gives eternal life.

John 21:16 Jesus said Sheppard MY sheep…….. Who's? (JESUS) Sheep.

My brother, you seem to be using a private interpretation. We should not add to or take from.

God Bless
bro. Marlin

if you read the letter no one can help you because your heart is not with God or his son ,

now tell me who his the greatest of Shepperd for Gods people

Christ his the leading model to us all ,he is first in everything,

has the master shepperd he has instructed Peter to do the same ,all 11 were trained to become shepperds and so they did

Eph 6:6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart.

November 22, 2012 at 7:46 pm#321373

Ed J

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Christ his the leading model to us all ,he is first in everything

Hi Pierre,

Yes, that is what Shaool (the Apostle Paul) is teaching us in Colossians Chapter 1.
“that in all things he (Jesus) might have the preeminence.” (Colossians 1:18)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

November 22, 2012 at 9:46 pm#321383

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now tell me who his the greatest of Shepperd for Gods people

Christ his the leading model to us all ,he is first in everything,

has the master shepperd he has instructed Peter to do the same ,all 11 were trained to become shepperds and so they did

Eph 6:6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart.

Edited by terraricca on Nov. 23 2012,05:32

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Pierre

My Dear Brother Pierre,
I pray you are having a great thanksgiving.

All of the scriptures you gave point to Christ, I totally agree.

Brother Mike's quote was not that, it was.
B. Why does it say Jesus shepherds the flock in the name of Jehovah, HIS God?

None of your quotes say that Jesus shepherds in another Name.
Do you now understand the question?

God bless
bro Marlin

November 22, 2012 at 9:58 pm#321385

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now tell me who his the greatest of Shepperd for Gods people

Christ his the leading model to us all ,he is first in everything,

has the master shepperd he has instructed Peter to do the same ,all 11 were trained to become shepperds and so they did

Eph 6:6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart.

Edited by terraricca on Nov. 23 2012,05:32

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Pierre

My Dear Brother Pierre,
I pray you are having a great thanksgiving.

All of the scriptures you gave point to Christ, I totally agree.

Brother Mike's quote was not that, it was.
B. Why does it say Jesus shepherds the flock in the name of Jehovah, HIS God?

None of your quotes say that Jesus shepherds in another Name.
Do you now understand the question?

God bless
bro Marlin

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS WITH THE HEART THAT UNDERSTANDING COMES

the love for God his love for the truth and the truth has been given through Christ to his apostles then to us all ,

either we believe it or not ;it will remain the only truth under the sky

November 22, 2012 at 10:51 pm#321386

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DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS WITH THE HEART THAT UNDERSTANDING COMES

Brother Pierre,

This statement is true, because you must have been born again by the SPIRIT of GOD. A true experience of GOD, not just learning, else you will never get it.

God Bless
bro. Marlin

November 23, 2012 at 1:35 am#321422

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DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS WITH THE HEART THAT UNDERSTANDING COMES

Brother Pierre,

This statement is true, because you must have been born again by the SPIRIT of GOD. A true experience of GOD, not just learning, else you will never get it.

God Bless
bro. Marlin

November 23, 2012 at 5:54 pm#321515

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Mike………Anything you worship is “YOUR GOD” it will stand in placve of God, but is that a “REAL GOD” Apsolutely Not. There is “ONLY ONE TRUE GOD According to Jesus and God himself, People set up all Kinds of God (in the sense they worship and serve whatever)

Gene,

It is quite scriptural that Jehovah is the “God OF gods”, right?

Can you name one of the gods that Jehovah is the God OF?

November 23, 2012 at 6:10 pm#321520