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Quote (Marlin1 @ Nov. 08 2012,22:57) The Pillar of fire and the blinding light to Paul are the same.
Scripture please?Quote (Marlin1 @ Nov. 08 2012,22:57) Jesus was the God that went before Israel.
Scripture please?Quote (Marlin1 @ Nov. 08 2012,22:57) It was not an angel that was the Pillar of Fire, it was the LORD.
Actually, the pillar was not a person at all. It was said that YHWH went among them IN a pillar of cloud and fire. And at first, Jehovah Himself said He would go with Moses. But after the golden calf incident, He changed His mind and said he would send one of His ANGELS, because if He Himself went, the Israelites were bound to piss Him off, and He'd end up killing them all.Quote (Marlin1 @ Nov. 08 2012,22:57) Brother you are in denial, you see Jesus as a god and you pray in the Name of Jesus Christ.
That's not denial, Marlin………… that's called following scripture. Jesus IS called a god in scripture, right? And we ARE to pray to our God Jehovah in the name of His holy servant Jesus Christ, right?Quote (Marlin1 @ Nov. 08 2012,22:57) Then you worship two Gods and you also break the first commandment.
Marlin, I'm asking you to stop telling this lie about me. I don't worship two Gods. I worship ONLY the ONE God who Jesus said we are to worship. I worship the ONE God who Jesus also worshiped. I worship the ONE God who Jesus said was our God and his God.Please don't post again that I worship two Gods. I have made myself very clear on the matter.
Quote None of the things you listed explain why Jesus would BE the very God who SENT him as our savior, while none of the other saviors God sent were God Himself. (Btw, emmanuel means “God is with us”, which He proved to be by SENDING His servant Jesus.) MAT 11:25 † At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
God Bless
bro. MarlinQuote The Pillar of fire and the blinding light to Paul are the same. Scripture please?
Brother Mike,
I don't believe that you can receive it, but here it is.
ACTS 26:13 † At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.Quote Jesus was the God that went before Israel. Scripture please?
JOHN 1:1 † In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 † The same was in the beginning with God.
3 † All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.Everything that God did, He did through His LOGOS (WORD).
Quote Actually, the pillar was not a person at all. It was said that YHWH went among them IN a pillar of cloud and fire. And at first, Jehovah Himself said He would go with Moses. But after the golden calf incident, He changed His mind and said he would send one of His ANGELS, because if He Himself went, the Israelites were bound to piss Him off, and He'd end up killing them all. Exo 13:21, 14:24, Num 14:14, Neh 9:12, Neh 9:19 all say the LORD. Which the Person of the LORD is the LOGOS (WORD) Jesus Christ.
Quote Brother you are in denial, you see Jesus as a god and you pray in the Name of Jesus Christ. That's not denial, Marlin………… that's called following scripture. Jesus IS called a god in scripture, right? And we ARE to pray to our God Jehovah in the name of His holy servant Jesus Christ, right?
Quote (Marlin1 @ Nov. 08 2012,22:57)
Then you worship two Gods and you also break the first commandment.Marlin, I'm asking you to stop telling this lie about me. I don't worship two Gods. I worship ONLY the ONE God who Jesus said we are to worship. I worship the ONE God who Jesus also worshiped. I worship the ONE God who Jesus said was our God and his God.
Please don't post again that I worship two Gods. I have made myself very clear on the matter.
Why would you say that I lied? You believe Jesus is a god and you pray to Him. One and one makes TWO.
Tell me which part of what I just said is a lie?The true revelation is there is only ONE GOD, NOT two as you suppose. A BIG GOD and a little god, that is paganism and makes GOD a lier.
That is the same as three persons (GODS) in one. PAGANISM
Jehovah of the old Testament is Jesus of the NEW.It is the same God all the time, 1st over a people, 2nd with a people, 3rd in a people. The same God, not gods.
[/B]MAL 2:10 † Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us?
EXO 34:14 † For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
EXO 20:3 † Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
God Bless
bro. MarlinQuote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 09 2012,12:36)
You think that since God said there is no other god, and Jesus is called “god” in the scripture, it means Jesus must BE that same God.
Hi Mike,Where exactly is Jesus called “god” in scripture,
because I certainly don't see it in my bible?
My bible says Jesus is the Son of God.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Marlin1 @ Nov. 09 2012,15:57) Brother Mike, Which one was to be called Emanuel (GOD with us).
God Bless
bro. Marlin
Hi Marlin,Did anyone think that about Jesus before his baptism?
You do know John 1:14 is about Jesus' baptism right? …(see Acts 10:38)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Marlin1 @ Nov. 12 2012,07:21) The true revelation is there is only ONE GOD, NOT two as you suppose. A BIG GOD and a little god, that is paganism and makes GOD a lier.
That is the same as three persons (GODS) in one. PAGANISM
Jehovah of the old Testament is Jesus of the NEW.It is the same God all the time, 1st over a people, 2nd with a people, 3rd in a people. The same God, not gods.
[/B]MAL 2:10 † Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us?
EXO 34:14 † For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
EXO 20:3 † Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
God Bless
bro. Marlin
Marlin…….This is true, Mike believes he worships only ONE GOD, but he does believe Jesus is a “god” also, he believe there is more then one god. He doesn't understand he is giving Jesus a “god' Status and therefore a Deity status.Anyone who moves Jesus to an level other then human being is creating an Idol for themselves and therefore are guilty of Idolatry . While Jesus is our Master and placed over us by our Heavenly Father that does not give him a “god” status at all. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours……………………………..gene
Quote Which one was to be called Emanuel (GOD with us). God Bless
bro. MarlinHi Marlin,
Did anyone think that about Jesus before his baptism?
You do know John 1:14 is about Jesus' baptism right? …(see Acts 10:38)God bless
Ed JBrother Ed,
John 1:14 doesn't say anything about baptism. It does say that the LOGOS (WORD) became FLESH. .Which means exactly the same as MATTHEW 1:23
“Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”Why would you think He became the Son of God at the Jordan?
He was BORN the Son of God. He was GOD with US.
At the Jordan, He became the fullness of the Godhead in a human body.Who is the Holy Ghost?
JOHN 14:18 † I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
JOHN 14:21 † He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.JOHN 8:24 † ………for if ye believe not that I am he (GOD), ye shall die in your sins.
God Bless
bro. MarlinQuote The true revelation is there is only ONE GOD, NOT two as you suppose. A BIG GOD and a little god, that is paganism and makes GOD a lier.
That is the same as three persons (GODS) in one. PAGANISMJehovah of the old Testament is Jesus of the NEW.
It is the same God all the time, 1st over a people, 2nd with a people, 3rd in a people. The same God, not gods.
[/B]MAL 2:10 † Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us?
EXO 34:14 † For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
EXO 20:3 † Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
God Bless
bro. MarlinMarlin…….This is true, Mike believes he worships only ONE GOD, but he does believe Jesus is a “god” also, he believe there is more then one god. He doesn't understand he is giving Jesus a “god' Status and therefore a Deity status.
Anyone who moves Jesus to an level other then human being is creating an Idol for themselves and therefore are guilty of Idolatry . While Jesus is our Master and placed over us by our Heavenly Father that does not give him a “god” status at all. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours……………………………..gene
Brother Gene,
I believe that Jesus was both GOD and Man. He was the GOD Man.
When Lazarus died and Jesus cried, that was a man. But when He raised Lazarus from the dead, that was GOD.
He was a Man when He come down off the mountain that night and was hungry. He looked all around over a tree to find some food. He was hungry like a man, hunting for food; He was hungry. But when He took five biscuits and five little fishes and fed five thousand, that was more than a Man. That was God in His Son speaking forth, the Creator Himself.
He was a Man when He was laying on the back of that boat, that night when the troubled seas was troubling and bouncing, when ten thousand devils of the sea swore they'd drown Him that night. Laying back there on the back of that boat so tired He couldn't move, when even the mighty waves didn't even wake Him, He was a Man when He was asleep; but when He rose (Hallelujah.), come up there, and stuck His foot on the rail of that boat, looked up and said, “Peace be still,” and the waves and wind obeyed Him. He was God when the winds and waves obeyed Him.
God Bless
bro. MarlinThere they Crucified Him.
There——the holiest place in the world;
They——the most religious people in the world;
Crucified——the most horrible form of death in the world;
Him——the holiest Person in the world.People don‘t realize that by rejecting any part of the Word, they are rejecting Christ,
because He is the Word. And by doing so they Crucify Jesus again.When religious people reject part of the Word, they have a ―form of godliness, but deny the power thereof.
People are crucifying Him again.
By elevating their creeds, they are crucifying the Word so that it does not have the effect it is supposed to have on people.
MARK 16:17 † And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 † They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.Do the signs of a true believer follow you? If not, then
Peter gave the inoculation,
ACTS 2:38 † Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 † For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.He is still calling for a very short time, time is about to run out.
There are about 2.2 billion Christians in the World. Of those about 2 billion are Trinitarian.
Now just think about the following scripture for a minute.
MAT 7:13 † Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 † Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.The broad gate is the easy path and most follow it in vain.
The narrow gate is by the WORD and WORD alone. There is but one TRUTH and one TRUTH ONLY.The WORD of GOD is TRUE and every man a LIAR.
God Bless
bro. MarlinQuote (Marlin1 @ Nov. 11 2012,14:21) ………above the brightness of the sun…….
That doesn't say “pillar of fire”, Marlin.Quote (Marlin1 @ Nov. 11 2012,14:21) Everything that God did, He did through His LOGOS (WORD).
Not true. Was Jesus the angel that God sent to Daniel? Was he the angel that helped Daniel's angel escape from the Prince of Persia? Was he the angel who came to Mary?God has many servants through whom He has done many things. Jesus is one of those servants.
Quote (Marlin1 @ Nov. 11 2012,14:21) Exo 13:21
Exodus 13 KJV
21 And the Lord went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night:22 He took not away the pillar of the cloud by day, nor the pillar of fire by night, from before the people.
As you can see, YHWH (or quite possibly the angel of YHWH) went before the Israelites IN a pillar of cloud and fire. He wasn't the pillar itself, but travelled IN that pillar. This is made evident by verse 22 above. What would it mean to say “YHWH took not away HIMSELF” ?
Marlin, consider these scriptures:
Exodus 23
20 “See, I am sending an angel ahead of you to guard you along the way and to bring you to the place I have prepared. 21 Pay attention to him and listen to what he says. Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion, since my Name is in him. 22 If you listen carefully to what he says and do all that I say, I will be an enemy to your enemies and will oppose those who oppose you. 23 My angel will go ahead of you and bring you into the land of the Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Canaanites, Hivites and Jebusites, and I will wipe them out.Exodus 33:2
2 I will send an angel before you and drive out the Canaanites, Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites. 3 Go up to the land flowing with milk and honey. But I will not go with you, because you are a stiff-necked people and I might destroy you on the way.”Quote (Marlin1 @ Nov. 11 2012,14:21) Why would you say that I lied? You believe Jesus is a god and you pray to Him.
I believe Jesus is a god, because scripture calls him a god. Scripture also calls Satan a god, and so I believe that too. But I do not WORSHIP or PRAY TO either one of those two gods. Nor do I worship or pray to ANY of the “many gods and lords, both in heaven and on earth”. (1 Cor 8:5)Quote (Marlin1 @ Nov. 11 2012,14:21) MAL 2:10 † Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? EXO 34:14 † For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
EXO 20:3 † Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
My beliefs align with each one of the above, Marlin.Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 11 2012,20:19) Hi Mike, Where exactly is Jesus called “god” in scripture,
because I certainly don't see it in my bible?
Your KJV doesn't have Isaiah 9:6 or Hebrews 1:8?Hmmm…………..
Quote (Marlin1 @ Nov. 11 2012,14:21) The true revelation is there is only ONE GOD, NOT two as you suppose. A BIG GOD and a little god, that is paganism and makes GOD a lier. Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 12 2012,09:10) Marlin…….This is true, Mike believes he worships only ONE GOD, but he does believe Jesus is a “god” also, he believe there is more then one god. Why do you guys keep talking the talk, but remain afraid to walk the walk?
Here is the thread in which we can discuss these things. The politically correct belief that the Bible speaks of only one god is false. I suggest you watch the last 10 minutes of the video in the sixth post on the page I linked, read my comments on that video, and THEN put your two cents in.
It's so easy for you guys to sit back and keep saying, “Ha ha! Mike believes there are more than one god!” It's quite a different matter for you to come to my thread and SHOW me that I'm wrong.
Quote Why would you say that I lied? You believe Jesus is a god and you pray to Him. I believe Jesus is a god, because scripture calls him a god. Scripture also calls Satan a god, and so I believe that too. But I do not WORSHIP or PRAY TO either one of those two gods. Nor do I worship or pray to ANY of the “many gods and lords, both in heaven and on earth”. (1 Cor 8:5)
Quote (Marlin1 @ Nov. 11 2012,14:21)
MAL 2:10 † Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us?EXO 34:14 † For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
EXO 20:3 † Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
My beliefs align with each one of the above, Marlin.
Brother Mike,
Do you pray in the Name of Jesus Christ?
JOHN 16:23 † And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.If you do and your beliefs align with the above scripture and others that say to pray in His Name.
Then my brother, can you not see that by your belief of Jesus being a little god, that is God and god (two).God Bless
bro. MarlinQuote It's so easy for you guys to sit back and keep saying, “Ha ha! Mike believes there are more than one god!” It's quite a different matter for you to come to my thread and SHOW me that I'm wrong. Brother Mike,
I am sorry if you think I am laughing, I am not. This is no laughing matter that we are speaking of. It is a matter of life and death. Your problem is that you can not see the difference between the gods spoke of. Prophets are called gods. Yet Jesus is both a prophet and God, the God man. And instead of trying to reconcile this with scripture, you just throw up scriptures of others that are called gods.
What will you do with this one called Jesus? He is one of a kind, there isn't another one like Him. Not ONE SINLESS person besides Him. So why do you keep comparing Him to some other man or god?
You are fighting against God and you will lose.
Just like the Pillar of Fire, are you so spiritual blind that you can not see.
It was also the same Pillar of Fire that was in the burning bush.
And it was the same Pillar of Fire at Pentecost, when it divided its self among 120 in the upper room.
It was also the same Pillar of Fire that blinded Paul.
And it was also the same Pillar of Fire that came and was Photographed in Huston, TX 11/29/1953 to vindicate the ministry of the 7th Church Age messenger (a Prophet)
http://www.tucsontabernacle.com/downloa….stimonyWhat you want is God to line up with your doctrine, He won't.
Will you believe it?Death comes in many forms, LIFE has but ONE.
God Bless
bro. MarlinQuote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 13 2012,10:59) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 11 2012,20:19) Hi Mike, Where exactly is Jesus called “god” in scripture,
because I certainly don't see it in my bible?
Your KJV doesn't have Isaiah 9:6 or Hebrews 1:8?Hmmm…………..
Hi Mike,Yep, my bible has both of those verses. …and your point is… ?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Marlin1 @ Nov. 12 2012,20:55) Brother Mike, Do you pray in the Name of Jesus Christ?
Yes Marlin. Do you not see a difference between praying in the name of Jesus, and praying to Jesus?I pray to my God Jehovah through the name of the one He made a Mediator BETWEEN us and Him.
Quote (Marlin1 @ Nov. 12 2012,22:02) What you want is God to line up with your doctrine, He won't.
No, Marlin.What I want is to believe just like the scriptures teach. And they teach that we have ONE Almighty God who has a Son named Jesus. They DON'T teach that we have one Almighty God who IS Jesus.
It is YOUR doctrine that doesn't align with scripture. Yet you worry for my soul? Hmmmmmm………………
Marlin, I've linked the thread to you. Why not go there and discuss this “god” thing with me?
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 13 2012,04:04) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 13 2012,10:59) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 11 2012,20:19) Hi Mike, Where exactly is Jesus called “god” in scripture,
because I certainly don't see it in my bible?
Your KJV doesn't have Isaiah 9:6 or Hebrews 1:8?Hmmm…………..
Hi Mike,Yep, my bible has both of those verses. …and your point is… ?
God bless
Ed J
Do you suppose Isaiah 9:6 is speaking about a DIFFERENT mighty god who was to be born of a virgin? Or do you suppose it speaks of Jesus?Quote What I want is to believe just like the scriptures teach. And they teach that we have ONE Almighty God who has a Son named Jesus. They DON'T teach that we have one Almighty God who IS Jesus. Brother Mike,
If you wanted to believe the scriptures then you would line up with the scriptures.
You would be able to see Luke 17:30, Mal 4:5, Rev 10:7, Amo 3:7
You would be able to believe and would want to line up with God's Prophets, All of them, even this last one. For the WORD of GOD comes to the PROPHET and always will.But you do not, you want to line up with your interpretation. And as I have told you before, you DO NOT have a revelation of the GODHEAD. You have a learned, intellectual understanding that will only bring death. I have told you the TRUTH, If you really want to receive TRUTH, Hit you knees and look to GOD and He will REVEAL. God lives in the Human Heart, NOT the head.
I truly do care about you and pray for you.
God Bless
bro. MarlinQuote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 14 2012,13:16) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 13 2012,04:04) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 13 2012,10:59) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 11 2012,20:19) Hi Mike, Where exactly is Jesus called “god” in scripture,
because I certainly don't see it in my bible?
Your KJV doesn't have Isaiah 9:6 or Hebrews 1:8?Hmmm…………..
Hi Mike,Yep, my bible has both of those verses. …and your point is… ?
God bless
Ed J
(1)Do you suppose Isaiah 9:6 is speaking about a DIFFERENT mighty god who was to be born of a virgin? (2)Or do you suppose it speaks of Jesus?
Hi Mike,1) Remember YOU say “El-o-heem” means “a mighty one”.
So “God” would not be the correct rendering here.2) Sure does, the government is upon his shoulder.
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