Michael nor Jesus

[charity]

Hi Not3in1
Yes he has to be a first begotten Son to been the sent Son; God can’t send what he has not Got yet?

Interesting also
Behold I knock at the door if any should open I shall come in
Yet if some one is at your table dinning with you; How then is possible to be still waiting for them to appear.
As he Christ is sent, they had the challenge to consider who God sent, Instead of just a man called Christ; a deeper revelation was need to fulfill the truth in us
We on top of this have the challenge of him appeared already as a man and now  a coming again; Double trouble!

IN considering this it remains that we are at risk of possible knowing not whom God has sent
and he still has to appear for us in truth and Paul beseeching us back to the coming of Christ that he may come for us in understanding as the sent son of man first to the son of God in prolonged Days; that we may enter the rest of the seventh day creation

Being first not God but having Gods Words by given measure
Jhn 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure [unto him].
And he beseeches us to believe on God Who Has sent him
Jhn 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
Christ is sugesting another Identity/new Name/resurrection of life as if its not me look back before me ?

Target first begotten Son…tO BE THE FIRST BORN Son..Ps 89

charity

[david]

Questin Phoenix. Most people celebrate Christmas, halloween, easter, thanksgiving, etc.

Jesus only told us to obverse one thing:

“Keep doing this in remembrance of me,” he said.

JW's the world over will be commemorating the Lord's evening meal. It is a solomn meaningful memorial, or remembrance of what Jesus did for us.

So far, you and Not3in1 have mentioned receiving this invitation.
I still find it odd that we can deliver a message to the world so quickly, the whole world.

Just wondering where you live.

[942767]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2007,05:02)

Hi Is 1.18, The monogenes son was sent into the world.[1Jn 4]

Hi Nick:

Is it possible that the scripture that states that Jesus was sent into the world refers to his ministry rather than his birth?

John 17:18 states: “As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world”.

God Bless

[Not3in1]

Hi David – I'm in WA State. I believe I will go tonight. I do not believe in denominations (any longer). The body of Christ is the church (where ever we gather). But these JW ladies have been open to hearing my faith and evidence for it. I just want to honor them by accepting their invitation. Some believe this would be wrong to accept their invitation, however, even Paul became a Jew to win the Jewish, and so on. Anyway, I'll be honored to be there and give you a report tomorrow

[Not3in1]

Charity writes:

Hi Not3in1
Yes he has to be a first begotten Son to been the sent Son; God can’t send what he has not Got yet?
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Hi Charity, yes – this very idea has come up with Nick and we discussed it a while back…..

God “sent” his seed into the world that became his Son. Not some pre-existing Son already with him literally. The scriptures really do not back that up. There must be a tremendous amount of deducing to come to this.

I did not pre-exist my birth. Jesus did not pre-exist his. I was born of a women. Jesus was born of a women. It took a “seed” for me to become a baby growing inside my mother. It took a “seed” for Jesus to also grow as a baby inside of Mary. I inherited 1/2 of my good looks from my father and the other 1/2 from my mother (joking about the good looks but not about the DNA), and Jesus ALSO inherited 1/2 from his father, and 1/2 from his mother. Ponder this: if Jesus was already pre-existing and “took on flesh” – wouldn't he have more than his fair share of DNA – maybe too much? Would he be a freak of nature? You see where this can go if we let it…..Star Trek stuff, here.

[NickHassan]

Quote (Not3in1 @ April 03 2007,00:54)

Charity writes: Hi Not3in1 Yes he has to be a first begotten Son to been the sent Son; God can’t send what he has not Got yet? ********************************** Hi Charity, yes – this very idea has come up with Nick and we discussed it a while back….. God “sent” his seed into the world that became his Son.  Not some pre-existing Son already with him literally.  The scriptures really do not back that up.  There must be a tremendous amount of deducing to come to this. I did not pre-exist my birth.  Jesus did not pre-exist his.  I was born of a women.  Jesus was born of a women.  It took a “seed” for me to become a baby growing inside my mother.  It took a “seed” for Jesus to also grow as a baby inside of Mary.  I inherited 1/2 of my good looks from my father and the other 1/2 from my mother (joking about the good looks but not about the DNA), and Jesus ALSO inherited 1/2 from his father, and 1/2 from his mother.  Ponder this:  if Jesus was already pre-existing and “took on flesh” – wouldn't he have more than his fair share of DNA – maybe too much?  Would he be a freak of nature?  You see where this can go if we let it…..Star Trek stuff, here.

Hi not3,
Scripture does not say God sent his seed.
It says He sent His monogenes Son.
We should not add to or take away from scripture.

[charity]

Not3in1 writes
God “sent” his seed into the world that became his Son.  Not some pre-existing Son already with him literally.  The scriptures really do not back that up.  There must be a tremendous amount of deducing to come to this.

Star trek all the way beam me up to be sent of God the redeemed of the lord return and grow up stall Malachi ch 3 &4
consider King David’s seed was sent transported and planted in Mary the zeal of the Holy Ghost has performed yes a The preexisting seed is David; Star trek all the way beam me up to be sent of God a child born Son of a man cursed to the dust ; So far God has glorified the father seed as King David
Elected and chosen, this is by faith; no amount of science can prove a substance of faith in the works of God by the Holy Ghost
And so should we also be born of the seed of God; yet still born of flesh and blood in likeliness of our family we have a seed within planted by God that makes us brothers and sisters

charity

[NickHassan]

Quote (942767 @ April 02 2007,23:26)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2007,05:02) Hi Is 1.18, The monogenes son was sent into the world.[1Jn 4] Hi Nick: Is it possible that the scripture that states that Jesus was sent into the world refers to his ministry rather than his birth? John 17:18 states: “As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world”. God Bless

Hi 94,
Rom 8
” 2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:”

The son was sent
in the likeness of sinful flesh.

[942767]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2007,03:22)

Quote (942767 @ April 02 2007,23:26) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2007,05:02) Hi Is 1.18, The monogenes son was sent into the world.[1Jn 4] Hi Nick: Is it possible that the scripture that states that Jesus was sent into the world refers to his ministry rather than his birth? John 17:18 states: “As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world”. God Bless Hi 94, Rom 8 ” 2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:” The son was sent in the likeness of sinful flesh.

Hi Nick:

The scripture that you quote does not preclude that the scripture may indicate that Jesus was sent into the world at the time of his ministry.  He was born into this world and infant.  This would explain the fact that he existed before he was sent as you teach.

But no, he did not exist before he was born into this world.  He was foreordained as 1 Peter 1:20 indicates.

God Bless

[Not3in1]

Nick,
Since we are missing the point of God sending his Son into the world (and how did he do that? By sending his seed to Mary – right?) Or are you meaning to say that God did not provide the “seed” that was Jesus' origen – his source – his parent? Interesting…..

Galations 3:16
“The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning the one person, who is Christ.”

[Not3in1]

Charity, God bless you sister, but you have some interesting theology….

Jesus has a Father, who is God. God provided the seed. Jesus is of the line of David, however it was not David's seed that created Jesus.

[NickHassan]

Hi not3,
God is the Father of Christ's body, the outer man but God is not flesh.
The inner man of Christ begotten of God is from the beginning, from everlasting.
He was a son before men saw him.

Pr 30
4Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

[Not3in1]

Pr 30 is interesting, indeed. Although, it still could be prophetic. I will not so quickly dismiss it as such. Let me look into this further and get back to you with what I find Have a good night, Nick. Nice to chat with you.

[charity]

Quote (Not3in1 @ April 03 2007,05:39)

Charity, God bless you sister, but you have some interesting theology…. Jesus has a Father, who is God.  God provided the seed.  Jesus is of the line of David, however it was not David's seed that created Jesus.

hey thanks not3in1

peace is a choice for us

Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remained in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, [and] the bright and morning star.

Elijah was taken up to heaven in a chariot
Then born of woman to walk the earth again
Mat 17:12  But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.
Mat 17:13  Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.
Just THE Name change of confusion.And Jesus is to be the firST BORN???
THE SHOCK WILL ALWAYS REMAIN  IN THE REVELATION OF THE TRUE IDENTIE TO COME.
Rev 19:12 His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
This Name holds the many crowns

charity

[Not3in1]

Elijah was taken up to heaven in a chariot
Charity wrote:

Then born of woman to walk the earth again
Mat 17:12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.
Mat 17:13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.

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So you believe that Elijah was reincarnated?

[charity]

Quote (Not3in1 @ April 04 2007,03:38)

Elijah was taken up to heaven in a chariot Charity wrote: Then born of woman to walk the earth again Mat 17:12  But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. Mat 17:13  Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist. ***************************** So you believe that Elijah was reincarnated?

Hi

A preserved seed replanted;
as Jesus said a body has thou prepared for me in the psalms;
also a body was prepared for the one that should come and make the way for the Christ.
As Christ said they did not know him John the Baptist
Reason… lacking in the fathers and prophets words of the promises;
and as they shall do the same with me said Christ; also not knowing whom God sent.

Mat 17:12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.

[charity]

O also not3in1
After the death and crucifixion; Thomas doubted but put his hands in the wounds of Jesus not appearing to be a prepared body after his rising
Jesus presenting the same body before his death and a prolonging of his days.

[Not3in1]

Charity wrote:

A preserved seed replanted;
**********************************

I do not see this theology in the scriptures.

My take on the Matt. passage is basically the same as my NIV notes, which read: As John the Baptist was not recognized and was killed; so Jesus would be rejected and killed.

This sounds more likely to me, and relates better with the whole tenor of the NT. I've never read anywhere about a “seed” being “preserved” and then “replanted.” While this sounds very poetic, it doesn't sound very scriptural? Do you have other passages to back this idea up? If so, I would love to review them. Thanks.

[charity]

Quote (Not3in1 @ April 04 2007,05:08)

Charity wrote: A preserved seed replanted; ********************************** I do not see this theology in the scriptures. My take on the Matt. passage is basically the same as my NIV notes, which read:  As John the Baptist was not recognized and was killed; so Jesus would be rejected and killed. This sounds more likely to me, and relates better with the whole tenor of the NT.  I've never read anywhere about a “seed” being “preserved” and then “replanted.”  While this sounds very poetic, it doesn't sound very scriptural?  Do you have other passages to back this idea up?  If so, I would love to review them.  Thanks.

Hi Not3in1

Sorry this took so long to answer;this is the best I can do to answer you concerning the seed preserved and transported to be transformed to the Image and likeness of God,made only possible to man kind 2000 yrs ago; christ being the first
of this creation;

Has not Christ root in him self; for when a tree is cut down to the roots it grows again; looks different in its new glory from how it used to look; but it still remains the same seed or even soul new prepared body or even vine?

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, [and] the bright and morning star.

Parable of the seeds
Mat 13:21  Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended. (he is unable to come to the knowledge of the new life with in and take part in the first resurrection)

Mat 13:22  He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

We all have roots in our selves;
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

All Men are born again to be sown to corruption or eternal life by what they beleive
1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

(Christ being the root of David could not sin announced years before to come without sin; this was inherited from his seed father King David who returned to the dust under the curse even as he was found righteous before God. Has the seed within each of us paid the price of death then; as we are told Eph 2:1 And you [hath he quickened], who were dead in trespasses and sins;

Each one that returned to the dust had a seed taken that they should rise to the judgment days at the end of the world Jhn 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he liveYet he has not been nailed to the cross)

A seed of man and woman born of flesh; flesh dose not inherit the kingdom of God

(The seed with in being our root once lived eg; as David lived who is the root of Christ being the way in which we enter the kingdom of God by a gospel with gravity; showing forth good works
A seed of man and woman born of flesh; flesh dose not inherit the kingdom of God and the creation drags on along the ground

The Root of John the baptist is Elijah; born again of a woman same soul?

charity

[NickHassan]

Hi Charity,
Indeed David is from Christ and Christ is through David.
What they shared is the anointing of the Spirit of God in kingship and prophecy.
Christ was given more, all of the nature and powers unto the fullness of the deity of Father God.

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