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Hi,
Scripture tells us Christ and Messiah mean the same thus are interchangeable words.
The Jews were, and many still are, expecting the Messiah.Matt 22.41f
“Now while the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them a question, saying
'What do you think about the Christ, whose son is he?”
They said to him
'The son of David'”They certainly did not recognise that he was the Messiah.
So surely he was not saying
“Who do you think I am?”
but rather
” From which lineage do you expect the Messiah?”Hi,
Lk 24.27
“And beginning with Moses and with all the prophets he explained to them the things concerning himself in all the scriptures”If only they had been written down!
Jesus said things are written about him in ALL the prophets as well as in Moses.Some would assume that these are the times YHWH was said to appear to Moses in one manifestation or other and speculate from them that in fact it was Jesus. That is going beyond scripture and also not true as Jesus is the Son of YHWH.
A son is not also his own father.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 16 2006,22:57) Hi,
Lk 24.27
“And beginning with Moses and with all the prophets he explained to them the things concerning himself in all the scriptures”If only they had been written down!
Jesus said things are written about him in ALL the prophets as well as in Moses.Some would assume that these are the times YHWH was said to appear to Moses in one manifestation or other and speculate from them that in fact it was Jesus. That is going beyond scripture and also not true as Jesus is the Son of YHWH.
A son is not also his own father.
Amen NickWell there are many instances of a prophet speaking of the Lord and His anointed.
Moses spoke of a prophet like unto him, Isaiah gives the promise of a son, Zechariah speaks of a great priest to come…
The references to Jesus, in fact, begin in Genesis with the promise of the woman's seed.Quote (malcolm ferris @ May 17 2006,01:01) Well there are many instances of a prophet speaking of the Lord and His anointed.
Moses spoke of a prophet like unto him, Isaiah gives the promise of a son, Zechariah speaks of a great priest to come…
The references to Jesus, in fact, begin in Genesis with the promise of the woman's seed.
Amen Malcolm. But in ALL the books of the prophets? We must still be missing some relevant verses?Hi,
John the baptist was expecting the Christ[=Messiah Jn 1.41]
Jn 3.28
“You yourselves bear me witness , that I have said
'I am not the Christ'
but
'I have been sent before him'he continued in v34
“For he who the Father has sent speaks the Words of God; for He gives the Spirit without measure. The Father loves the Son, and has given all things into his hand. He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son does not see life, but the wrathh of God abides on him”So the Father sent the Son he loves.
The Son was a son before he was sent.
The Son is equated to be the Messiah
All who do not hear and obey the Son are under the wrath of God.
Belief in the Son brings life
Belief in the Son demands obedience
That includes the command to be reborn into himHi,
The Christ, or messiah, is the anointed one. God anointed Christ with the Spirit as a dove at the Jordan. John had been teaching about the one to come and In Matt 3 he recognised him as the one who baptises in the Spirit before he even baptised him. Then John taught that Jesus was the anointed one, the Son of God and directed men to follow Jesus.
We know from Lk2.40 that the grace of God was upon Jesus as a child and he grew in wisdom. But he was baptised in the Spirit by God at the Jordan. There is a difference.Hi,
I am still unsure why both John the Baptist and the Pharisees elevated THE son of God to a special status. The Jews wanted to kill him for blasphemy because he said he was THE son of God. What did they read from the OT literature that we do not so easily see?Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 01 2006,23:33) Hi,
I am still unsure why both John the Baptist and the Pharisees elevated THE son of God to a special status. The Jews wanted to kill him for blasphemy because he said he was THE son of God. What did they read from the OT literature that we do not so easily see?
I often wondered the same thing NickQuote Hi,
I am still unsure why both John the Baptist and the Pharisees elevated THE son of God to a special status. The Jews wanted to kill him for blasphemy because he said he was THE son of God. What did they read from the OT literature that we do not so easily see?
Hi Nick, could you explain what you mean?Hi david,
Jn 10.36
'do you say of him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world
'You are blaspheming'
because I said
'I am THE SON OF GOD'?”But earlier he had said
“I and the the Father are one”
and they had said
“you being a man make yourself out to be God”
and were picking up stones to kill him for blasphemy.They never spoke of God as the Father and yet they soon picked up on the fact that Jesus was speaking about God. I guess that claiming unity with God was sufficient for them to think he was claiming equality. But he never had, but had only stated that he was the Son of God.
John the baptist said in Jn 1.33
“I did not recognise him but He who sent me to baptise in water said to me
'He upon you see the Spirit descending and remaining upon him , this is the one who baptises in the Holy Spirit'
I myself have seen and have testified that this is the Son of God”There is a connection missing. Why is the one who baptises in the Spirit have to be the Son of God? Why did he not say the Christ?
Hi,
Messiah means Christ according to scripture. He is the anointed one. The Father anointed him with His Spirit at the Jordan and he worked in that power, not in his own. He emptied himself of those advantages.Hi,
All the prophecies about the Messiah or the Christ are about a man. Christ means anointed one and Jesus was an anointed man, anointed with the Spirit of God at the Jordan[Acts 10.38] It is right to see him from this standpoint as this is the prophetic one.But the secret about his origins as the Word were not shown in prophecy but only later to those with the eyes of the Spirit. They were not shown to the world but only to the sons of God. They are not made untrue by the facts of his human life.
HI,
John 7 is a chapter about the emergence of the Messiah, the Christ.
At the start of the chapter even his brothers did not believe in him..Jn 7
” 1After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him.2Now the Jew's feast of tabernacles was at hand.
3His brethren therefore said unto him, Depart hence, and go into Judaea, that thy disciples also may see the works that thou doest.
4For there is no man that doeth any thing in secret, and he himself seeketh to be known openly. If thou do these things, shew thyself to the world.
5For neither did his brethren believe in him.
6Then Jesus said unto them, My time is not yet come: but your time is alway ready.
7The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.
8Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up yet unto this feast: for my time is not yet full come.
9When he had said these words unto them, he abode still in Galilee.
10But when his brethren were gone up, then went he also up unto the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret.
11Then the Jews sought him at the feast, and said, Where is he?
12And there was much murmuring among the people concerning him: for some said, He is a good man: others said, Nay; but he deceiveth the people.
13Howbeit no man spake openly of him for fear of the Jews.
14Now about the midst of the feast Jesus went up into the temple, and taught.
15And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?
16Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
17If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
18He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.
19Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?
20The people answered and said, Thou hast a devil: who goeth about to kill thee?
21Jesus answered and said unto them, I have done one work, and ye all marvel.
22Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers;) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.
23If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?
24Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
25Then said some of them of Jerusalem, Is not this he, whom they seek to kill?
26But, lo, he speaketh boldly, and they say nothing unto him. Do the rulers know indeed that this is the very Christ?
27Howbeit we know this man whence he is: but when Christ cometh, no man knoweth whence he is.
28Then cried Jesus in the temple as he taught, saying, Ye both know me, and ye know whence I am: and I am not come of myself, but he that sent me is true, whom ye know not.
29But I know him: for I am from him, and he hath sent me.
30Then they sought to take him: but no man laid hands on him, because his hour was not yet come.
31And many of the people believed on him, and said, When Christ cometh, will he do more miracles than these which this man hath done?
32The Pharisees heard that the people murmured such things concerning him; and the Pharisees and the chief priests sent officers to take him.
33Then said Jesus unto them, Yet a little while am I with you, and then I go unto him that sent me.
34Ye shall seek me, and shall not find me: and where I am, thither ye cannot come.
35Then said the Jews among themselves, Whither will he go, that we shall not find him? will he go unto the dispersed among the Gentiles, and teach the Gentiles?
36What manner of saying is this that he said, Ye shall seek me, and shall not find me: and where I am, thither ye cannot come?
37In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
38He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
39(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
40Many of the people therefore, when they heard this saying, said, Of a truth this is the Prophet.
41Others said, This is the Christ. But some said, Shall Christ come out of Galilee?
42Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?
43So there was a division among the people because of him.
44And some of them would have taken him; but no man laid hands on him.
45Then came the officers to the chief priests and Pharisees; and they said unto them, Why have ye not brought him?
46The officers answered, Never man spake like this man.
47Then answered them the Pharisees, Are ye also deceived?
48Have any of the rulers or of the Pharisees believed on him?
49But this people who knoweth not the law are cursed.
50Nicodemus saith unto them, (he that came to Jesus by night, being one of them,)
51Doth our law judge any man, before it hear him, and know what he doeth?
52They answered and said unto him, Art thou also of Galilee? Search, and look: for out of Galilee ariseth no prophet.
53And every man went unto his own house.”
The stumbling stone.
Men had to make up their minds one way or the other.
The Christ?
The Prophet?
Son of God?
Son of David?
Or just son of Joseph?Hi,
The Son, the messiah, the servant, the mediator, the advocate, the priest..serves God.
He is not the God he serves.Hi,
If the Messiah was God then the messiah has yet to come.
Jesus is the Christ of God, not God.
Luke 9:20
He said unto them, But whom say ye that I am? Peter answering said, The Christ of God.Luke 23:35
And the people stood beholding. And the rulers also with them derided him, saying, He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Christ, the chosen of God.Acts 2:36
Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
1 Corinthians 3:23
And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.
1 Corinthians 11:3
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God
2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2 Corinthians 12:19
Again, think ye that we excuse ourselves unto you? we speak before God in Christ: but we do all things, dearly beloved, for your edifying.
Philippians 3:14
I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
Colossians 3:3
For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
1 Thessalonians 5:18
In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1 John 5:1
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.Hi,
Dan 9
“Daniel 9:25
Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times”God is not a prince.
God is not he who came in the flesh,
The Son of God came as the messiah of God.Hi cubes,
Perhaps this is the thread you were looking for as far as the jewish view of whom to expect as the Messiah?Thanks, Nick.
so who was being expected from the First Covenant?
The Apostle Paul:
- Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,”* who is Christ. 17 And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God *in Christ, that it should make the promise of no effect. 18 For if the inheritance is of the law, it is no longer of promise; but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.Song of Mary
- Luke 1:46 And Mary said:
“My soul magnifies the Lord,
47 And my spirit has rejoiced IN GOD MY SAVIOR.
48 For He has regarded the lowly state of His maidservant;
For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed.
49 For He who is mighty has done great things for me,
And holy is His name.
50 And His mercy is on those who fear Him
From generation to generation.
51 He has shown strength with His arm;
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
52 He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
And exalted the lowly.
53 He has filled the hungry with good things,
And the rich He has sent away empty.
54 He has helped His servant Israel,
In remembrance of His mercy,
55 AS HE SPOKE TO OUR FATHERS,
To Abraham and to his SEED forever.”
Zacharias' Prophecy- Luke 1:67 Now his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Spirit, and prophesied, saying:
68 “Blessed is the Lord God of Israel,
For He has visited and redeemed His people,
69 And has raised up a horn of salvation for us
In the house of His servant David,
70 As He spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets,
Who have been since the world began,
71 That we should be saved from our enemies
And from the hand of all who hate us,
72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers
And to remember His holy covenant,
73 The oath which He swore to our father Abraham:
74 To grant us that we,
Being delivered from the hand of our enemies,
Might serve Him without fear,
75 In holiness and righteousness before Him all the days of our life.76 “And you, child, will be called the prophet of the Highest;
For you will go before the face of the Lord to prepare His ways,
77 To give knowledge of salvation to His people
By the remission of their sins,
78 Through the tender mercy of our God,
With which the Dayspring from on high *has visited us;
79 To give light to those who sit in darkness and the shadow of death,
To guide our feet into the way of peace.”- Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,”* who is Christ. 17 And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God *in Christ, that it should make the promise of no effect. 18 For if the inheritance is of the law, it is no longer of promise; but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
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