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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 11 2014,12:20) Hi J42
heb 7
For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
I love the way God uses allegory to speak of Melchizedek of whom no parentage was KNOWN or RECORDED to show the unique role of Jesus Christ
Hi NickYes I love that too.
But to be more exact, it does not say his parentage was not known, but states without father, without mother.There was no father or mother of this man Melchisedek,
and it also shows us that Jesus was not the Son of God yet, …not until he was born. Before that he was the Word of God.
So the Word was not created, but always with God, or else he would have a father, just like everyone else that was made.The Word only had a Father when he was transformed into a baby and became God's Son in the flesh.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 11 2014,12:28) Hi j42,
Should you add these concepts to scripture?
Hi NickI'm done with you now.
Hi j42,
What a beautiful allegory.
Like Jesus saying he is the bread.The Spirit of Christ manifested in the prophets but you would make this man Jesus before he was conceived?
Why ADD
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 11 2014,12:28) Hi j42,
Should you add these concepts to scripture?
Schizophrenia
Consult a doctor if you have a medical concern.
Schizophrenia is a mental disorder that makes it hard to: Tell the difference between what is real and not real; Think clearly; Have normal emotional responses; Act normally in social situations.Hi j42
You said
“and it also shows us that Jesus was not the Son of God yet, …not until he was born. “Yes so he was Son of God and Mary?
I doubt God wants to share that role.
Sonship to God is of the Spirit
Rom 8
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.Hi j42
Acts 26
And as he thus spake for himself, Festus said with a loud voice, Paul, thou art beside thyself; much learning doth make thee mad.25 But he said, I am not mad, most noble Festus; but speak forth the words of truth and soberness.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 11 2014,14:05) Hi j42
You said
“and it also shows us that Jesus was not the Son of God yet, …not until he was born. “Yes so he was Son of God and Mary?
I doubt God wants to share that role.
Sonship to God is of the Spirit
Rom 8
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
NickThe Word was always with God, so how could the Word be God's Son in the beginning?
The Word was not created, but was always there from “everlasting”. This means there was no beginning.Even when the Word appeared as a Rock, or Melchisedek, it was “not born” but translated.
The Word was “transformed” into flesh, when put in Mary. It then becomes a new creation. From spirit to flesh. It went through a “process”. That is not the same as being “translated”, like appearing in one form, then appearing in another form.
Does this offend you?
Hi j42,
The Word was with God but as God is spirit we do not know how.
The Spirit of Christ is the word.The only process scripture speaks of is conception -just like you and I
hi J42,
Scripture says Jesus is a priest of the order of Melchizedek.
Should it rather say of HIMSELF?Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 11 2014,14:22) Hi j42
Acts 26
And as he thus spake for himself, Festus said with a loud voice, Paul, thou art beside thyself; much learning doth make thee mad.25 But he said, I am not mad, most noble Festus; but speak forth the words of truth and soberness.
That's right nick,Much learning in the scriptures does not make one mad, but gives life.
Learning worldly teachings and learning things of God in a university environment on the other hand can.
All that study and information on learning how the scriptures were interpreted and the Hebrew, and the Greek, and learning different doctrines, and being examined and marked by men, does not give the holy spirit. That is just not how God works.
What if your teacher teaches the trinity?, and you answer correctly saying Jesus is not God in an exam. Would they fail you?
You would have to chose at the end of it which doctrine you would like to teach. Too many choices. There is only one doctrine and one truth. The holy bible doesn't give choices, and not for open interpretation.Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 11 2014,14:33) hi J42,
Scripture says Jesus is a priest of the order of Melchizedek.
Should it rather say of HIMSELF?
That's right. A priest of What?
He is the King of Peace and Righteousness.
After the order of Melchizedek.Jesus is coming back to re-claim his throne. He is not taking it of another, but taking his own throne back. It rightfully belongs to him.
Jesus is the pre-eminence of everything. The FIRST.The FIRST KING OF ISRAEL.
The First changed from spirit to flesh.
(Satan will be reduced to flesh before he is destroyed. Do you know this?)
Jesus is the FIRST reborn from the dead….the first resurrected.He is the Word of God, and was the first true King of Israel. He is coming back to reclaim his throne. It was his in the first place.
And this is a mystery, but only to those who attack the Word of Truth.Quote (journey42 @ April 11 2014,14:48)
NickI think you need to get some sleep. You are on here day and night.
You are hot and cold.Don't forget you are the one bringing up these subjects for discussion.
So don't say we are adding anything if we are explaining.
We are only explaining and examining what is written.
The truth has to harmonise with other scriptures also,
and not contradict.I'm giving my time to you now, and I need to do other things,
so please stop insulting me,
and tell me what you believe on this subject, and state it in print.Hi WU,
You said in another thread
” Hebrews 5:6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.JESUS DOES NOT FOLLOW AFTER ANOTHER PRIEST.
HE IS HIMSELF ALSO MELCHISEDEK.Hebrews 5:10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.
JESUS CALLED OF GOD,AFTER HIMSELF(MELCHISEDEK).
Hebrews 6:20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
MELCHISEDEK WAS THE FORERUNNER OF JESUS,WHICH ALSO WAS MELCHISEDEK.”
Ummmm.
Not likely to be correct.Shades of babylonian confusion
Hi J42,
You said in another post
“Because Wakeup is trying to show you that Melchizadek “The Word of God” ….was….'TRANSLATED'… into flesh. Not born yet into flesh, but translated, so that Abraham, God's favourite would get the chance to meet him, and that Jesus Christ (The Word of God) was actually the first King of Israel, and coming back to reclaim his throne, and not take anothers.”Speculative nonsense
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