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Quote (david @ July 17 2010,17:27) Quote 25%: Mary's father's [Joseph's] lineage was through Nathan(son of David). (Luke 3:23-31) Quote 25%: Mary's father's lineage was through Nathan(son of David). (Luke 3:23-31) OK, I think I haven't been being clear enough.
Jesus “sprang from the seed of David ACCORDING TO THE FLESH.” (Ro 1:3)
You have already established and pointed out to me that Joseph is not Jesus Father. It was not according to the flesh of Joseph that Jesus arrived. That only leaves MARY.
Hence, logically, Mary must have also been considered in the line of David, or Judah.
Hence, … I don't ever remember how this is connected to the original topic anymore… and it's late.
Hi David,Heli was Mary's Dad; NOT Joesph!
You have just misquoted me there.I got in trouble here for doing something very similar.
So it is my civic duty here to issue you a personal warning!
A record of you altering my quote is now on file, don't let it happen again!Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote Hi David, Heli was Mary's Dad; NOT Joesph!
You have just misquoted me there.First, I agree with you that Heli was Mary's father.
Second, I didn't alter your quote. When you put [], and then put words in those brackets, it indicates that it was not part of the original quote.
Third, I have no idea why I wrote “[Joseph's]” in that spot. It doesn't make sense. It is 1:00 AM where I am however and I probably need sleep. Sorry for the mistake.Quote 25%; Mary's mother's linage was of the tribe of Levi. (Luke 1:5, 1:36)
25%: Mary's father's lineage was through Nathan(son of David). (Luke 3:23-31)Then, Mary would be considered of the tribe of Judah.
It is always through the Father.Quote (david @ July 17 2010,17:59) Quote 25%; Mary's mother's linage was of the tribe of Levi. (Luke 1:5, 1:36)
25%: Mary's father's lineage was through Nathan(son of David). (Luke 3:23-31)Then, Mary would be considered of the tribe of Judah.
It is always through the Father.
Hi David,And Mary's Mother's Father is from the tribe of Levi!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (david @ July 17 2010,17:55) Quote Hi David, Heli was Mary's Dad; NOT Joesph!
You have just misquoted me there.First, I agree with you that Heli was Mary's father.
Second, I didn't alter your quote. When you put [], and then put words in those brackets, it indicates that it was not part of the original quote.
Third, I have no idea why I wrote “[Joseph's]” in that spot. It doesn't make sense. It is 1:00 AM where I am however and I probably need sleep. Sorry for the mistake.
HI David,That's what I also do to bible verses [to indicate the verse was altered]!
I just wanted to inform you of the Forum's policy, that's all.
No problem brother David; no harm no foul!Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (JustAskin @ July 11 2010,22:04) Barley, I must learn not to be too complementary too quickly.
I saw you basic tenet and you wrote well. Just a minor point. A small crack in the doorway of you otherwise solid post.
I complemented you. Yes, Truth was in your post…
Then…that small opening from your 'Room of Scriptural Truth', led through to a 'TARDIS' like anteChamber of distorted misunderstandings.
Barley, what you have done is to create two rooms with an adjoining doorway.
In one room, you place all the gospel truth.
In the other, all the Gospel untruths.
And, you present viewers into the room of best desire. Truth room on one hand, false truth in the other.
However, i didn't notice the 'party doorway' until i noticed the slight darkness 'shining' through. The 'dropped point' wedging the door open.
You took me into that room, thinking you could explain it away and show me that darkness is light also, even claiming that JustAskin could learnt truth from you in that room.
Barley, you clearly have not read any of my posts.
I do not learn from man, i learn about man.
You 'completely' misunderstood what i was saying to you, even to the extent of trying 'explaining' Trinity to me…as if somehow i was ignorant of it's ignorance, thus making you more ignorant than the one who learns to keep his mouth shut…yes, even a fool is wise if he knows when to keep quiet and learn rather than open his mouth and speak gibberish!
Barley, you speak well in one room.
My suggestion. Get a lock on that door. Go into one of those rooms. Lock the door. Then, Smash the lock.
Barley, tell me what I mean by that?
No, wait, i'll just do it:
If you speak the Truth on one hand, you will pursuade many…not all, but many.
Many will believe you and follow you sheeplike. For such are many, and God has made them so, for not everyone can be a leader, but only from their own level down.
Now, Barley, now you are leading and others follow…You then lead them into your room of untruths…. Barley, they follow you in, sheeplike, into your 'pen of iniquitousness'-ness.
Barley, are you not fearful of what you have done?Now, if you remain in one room, you are pursuading 'only those who chose to come to you in that room' by their choice, and remain with you by their choice. If you are in ignorance being in that room, then they are in ignorance remaining in that room also…note:ignorance, not innocence!
But when you lead them from the room of truth to the room of untruths, you are no longer ignorant and they are no longer ignorant, for they knew the truth and, even in their sheepliness, chose to follow. For even in ignorance, we each of us, have a form of 'godliness' and can discern right from wrong.Barley, now, what do you wish to teach JustAskin? Oh, yes. I just learnt it.
Thank you.Accept Truth from whomever and whereever and whenever it is found…but be wary from whom, of whom and by whom it comes…test the Spirit, for even Satan can transform himself into an angel of light and deceive many.
JustAskin,God loves you! Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the lord Jesus Christ.
So get to the point. That is a lot of words without any scripture. Show me from the scripture. I am meek and lowly. If you have scripture to share, share on.
You have over 1800 posts. If you write like you did in this one, then there is little or no scripture for me to read. Nothing but vague accusations with no scripture to base it on. That makes it pointless to read any of your posts. Unless you have scripture to offer, your posts will be of little value. Unless, of course, you have a good recipe for chili or meatloaf.
So, as to facilitate your understanding of scripture that I believe:
Jesus Christ is the son of God, not God.
The trinity is an idolatrous lie. Romans 1:20-23.
The dead are dead until raised from the dead. Jesus Christ would not come back to raise the dead if they were already alive in heaven or somewhere else. I Thessalonians 4:13-18. There is no consciousness in death. Psalm 6:5
The Bible is the revealed word and will of God. There may be errors in the various texts and versions, but the Word of God, as originally given to holy men of God, is error free and perfect in every way by God's standards. II Peter 1:21, Psalm 12:6
God has endued the believers, Romans 10:9,10 with power from on high. He has thus enabled us to speak in tongues, interpret tongues, bring forth word of prophecy, receive word of knowledge, receive word of wisdom, discern spirits, believe for the impossible to come to pass, do miracles and give gifts of healings. I Corinthians 12
Jesus Christ as the son of God and the son of man is everything that any believer could want to be. Yet we can do greater works than JC himself. John 14:12
So, for starters, I made some of my believing of the scripture clear to you.
Hi B,
Let the dead bury the dead.
But God is the God of the living[Lk20.38]
Some standing with Jesus passed over from death to life.
They sleepQuote (barley @ July 18 2010,06:40) Quote (JustAskin @ July 11 2010,22:04) Barley, I must learn not to be too complementary too quickly.
I saw you basic tenet and you wrote well. Just a minor point. A small crack in the doorway of you otherwise solid post.
I complemented you. Yes, Truth was in your post…
Then…that small opening from your 'Room of Scriptural Truth', led through to a 'TARDIS' like anteChamber of distorted misunderstandings.
Barley, what you have done is to create two rooms with an adjoining doorway.
In one room, you place all the gospel truth.
In the other, all the Gospel untruths.
And, you present viewers into the room of best desire. Truth room on one hand, false truth in the other.
However, i didn't notice the 'party doorway' until i noticed the slight darkness 'shining' through. The 'dropped point' wedging the door open.
You took me into that room, thinking you could explain it away and show me that darkness is light also, even claiming that JustAskin could learnt truth from you in that room.
Barley, you clearly have not read any of my posts.
I do not learn from man, i learn about man.
You 'completely' misunderstood what i was saying to you, even to the extent of trying 'explaining' Trinity to me…as if somehow i was ignorant of it's ignorance, thus making you more ignorant than the one who learns to keep his mouth shut…yes, even a fool is wise if he knows when to keep quiet and learn rather than open his mouth and speak gibberish!
Barley, you speak well in one room.
My suggestion. Get a lock on that door. Go into one of those rooms. Lock the door. Then, Smash the lock.
Barley, tell me what I mean by that?
No, wait, i'll just do it:
If you speak the Truth on one hand, you will pursuade many…not all, but many.
Many will believe you and follow you sheeplike. For such are many, and God has made them so, for not everyone can be a leader, but only from their own level down.
Now, Barley, now you are leading and others follow…You then lead them into your room of untruths…. Barley, they follow you in, sheeplike, into your 'pen of iniquitousness'-ness.
Barley, are you not fearful of what you have done?Now, if you remain in one room, you are pursuading 'only those who chose to come to you in that room' by their choice, and remain with you by their choice. If you are in ignorance being in that room, then they are in ignorance remaining in that room also…note:ignorance, not innocence!
But when you lead them from the room of truth to the room of untruths, you are no longer ignorant and they are no longer ignorant, for they knew the truth and, even in their sheepliness, chose to follow. For even in ignorance, we each of us, have a form of 'godliness' and can discern right from wrong.Barley, now, what do you wish to teach JustAskin? Oh, yes. I just learnt it.
Thank you.Accept Truth from whomever and whereever and whenever it is found…but be wary from whom, of whom and by whom it comes…test the Spirit, for even Satan can transform himself into an angel of light and deceive many.
JustAskin,God loves you! Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the lord Jesus Christ.
So get to the point. That is a lot of words without any scripture. Show me from the scripture. I am meek and lowly. If you have scripture to share, share on.
You have over 1800 posts. If you write like you did in this one, then there is little or no scripture for me to read. Nothing but vague accusations with no scripture to base it on. That makes it pointless to read any of your posts. Unless you have scripture to offer, your posts will be of little value. Unless, of course, you have a good recipe for chili or meatloaf.
So, as to facilitate your understanding of scripture that I believe:
Jesus Christ is the son of God, not God.
The trinity is an idolatrous lie. Romans 1:20-23.
The dead are dead until raised from the dead. Jesus Christ would not come back to raise the dead if they were already alive in heaven or somewhere else. I Thessalonians 4:13-18. There is no consciousness in death. Psalm 6:5
The Bible is the revealed word and will of God. There may be errors in the various texts and versions, but the Word of God, as originally given to holy men of God, is error free and perfect in every way by God's standards. II Peter 1:21, Psalm 12:6
God has endued the believers, Romans 10:9,10 with power from on high. He has thus enabled us to speak in tongues, interpret tongues, bring forth word of prophecy, receive word of knowledge, receive word of wisdom, discern spirits, believe for the impossible to come to pass, do miracles and give gifts of healings. I Corinthians 12
Jesus Christ as the son of God and the son of man is everything that any believer could want to be. Yet we can do greater works than JC himself. John 14:12
So, for starters, I made some of my believing of the scripture clear to you.
JustAskin,JustSoYouKnow, IHaveReadSomeOfYourPostsAsICameAcrossThemInOtherThreads. YouAndIAgreeOnALotOfThings. IAmGladToSeeThat.
barley
Quote (Is 1:18 @ July 12 2010,18:17) Quote (barley @ July 12 2010,13:12) This weekend has been a challenging one for me, and I do not have the time or energy at this moment to fully address your concerns.
That's okay, take your time. We have guest with us tonight then i'm going out of town for the rest of the week. I'm also away the following week. So I won't be able to pick back up on this for a fortnight at the earliest. You're off the hook for now!
Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the lord Jesus Christ.Regarding the other verses you mentioned, before I continue it would be most helpful for me to ask you several questions.
Acts 2:4 the apostles spoke in tongues as the spirit gave them the utterance. The testimony of those that heard them speak in tongues was that they spoke the wonderful works of God.
I Corinthians 14:5 says, “I would that ye all spake in tongues…”
I Corinthians 12:7 The manifestation of the spirit is given to every man [believers] to profit withal. Paul then lists these manifestations in verses 8-10. Paul, in verse 1 says concerning spiritual matters, I would not have you ignorant. These spiritual matters include the manifestations that are given to every man.
What do you know about speaking in tongues from the scripture? Do you speak in tongues?
If you do, those verses pretty much explain themselves. When we speak in tongues, it is God, the Holy Spirit that gives the utterance. We have the gift of holy spirit. God imparts to us of His divine nature. II Peter 1:3-4.
God being holy and spirit is rightfully called the Holy Spirit. When we are born again, we become children of God. I John 3:1-2, 4:4. We of God how? by His imparting to us of his very nature, holy and spirit. The gift of holy spirit. Acts 1:8 is one of many verses that speak of this gift. John 7:39 is another useful scripture along these lines.
The other verses you mentioned have roots in the above.
Thanks for asking.
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