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Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 09 2010,20:05) Hi Oxy,
Yes and the Spirit enlarges what is written, not man's ideas.
Dig deeper.
Nick, can you give me an example of a time that God has spoken to you?Quote (Oxy @ July 05 2010,17:17) Quote (kerwin @ July 05 2010,00:58) To all, I view the phrase “name of” as being equivalent to the phrase “by the authority of” and Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit have the same authority.
Both the authority of Jesus and the Holy Spirit come from God and thus I conclude they have the same authority.
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Amen Kerwin. I totally agree. I have seen so many people pray for things “in Jesus name” and nothing happens. They have prayed without His authority. Contrary to that, if the Lord tells us to pray for something, then we are praying WITH His authority. This is the essence of faith.
Oxy………..I have pray to GOD the Father directly many times and have had my prayers answered that very day many many times. While we certainly can use Jesus' name when praying as Kerwin brought, it is not necessity to. I look to the FATHER on a Personal level all the time. I try to be Like Jesus was with my relationship with the FATHER. IMOpeace and love to you and yours………………gene
Quote (barley @ July 04 2010,09:29) Because they had earlier manuscripts that did not contain those words. I personally am comfortable with the idea that those words were added later by some “well intentioned, but erroneous and presumptous scribe”.
This is wrong!Every extant manuscript has the “tripartite phrase” including the “Didache” which is believed by many to date back to the first century, which has the “tripartite' phrase.
This thread was created by a JW to deny the authenticity of the verse, yet there is no evidence that this verse was added, but only some scant rumors.
Click here and read the facts about Matt 28:19.
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 10 2010,01:31) Quote (barley @ July 04 2010,09:29) Because they had earlier manuscripts that did not contain those words. I personally am comfortable with the idea that those words were added later by some “well intentioned, but erroneous and presumptous scribe”.
This is wrong!Every extant manuscript has the “tripartite phrase” including the “Didache” which is believed by many to date back to the first century, which has the “tripartite' phrase.
This thread was created by a JW to deny the authenticity of the verse, yet there is no evidence that this verse was added, but only some scant rumors.
Click here and read the facts about Matt 28:19.
WJ
Keith,The Critical Text which is oldest Greek text we have has the tripartite phrase. There is no manuscript evidence against the tripartite phrase. The attempt to prove that the tripartite phrase is corrupt is itself an admission that the tripartite phrase teaches the Trinity doctrine.
Jack
Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 09 2010,10:18) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 10 2010,01:31) Quote (barley @ July 04 2010,09:29) Because they had earlier manuscripts that did not contain those words. I personally am comfortable with the idea that those words were added later by some “well intentioned, but erroneous and presumptous scribe”.
This is wrong!Every extant manuscript has the “tripartite phrase” including the “Didache” which is believed by many to date back to the first century, which has the “tripartite' phrase.
This thread was created by a JW to deny the authenticity of the verse, yet there is no evidence that this verse was added, but only some scant rumors.
Click here and read the facts about Matt 28:19.
WJ
Keith,The Critical Text which is oldest Greek text we have has the tripartite phrase. There is no manuscript evidence against the tripartite phrase. The attempt to prove that the tripartite phrase iscorruption is itself an admission that the tripartite phrase teaches the Trinity doctrine.
Jack
JackGood Point! That seems to be the case and why it is so important for them to disprove it or do as Marty and others who just blot it out of their Bibles!
WJ
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 09 2010,23:01) Hi Oxy,
It happens every day.
He reminds me of scripture and reveals it.
No Nick, I'm asking for an example of when He spoke to you, not what you read.Quote This thread was created by a JW to deny the authenticity of the verse, yet there is no evidence that this verse was added, but only some scant rumors. –WJ
WJ, are you mad? You do realize that Matthew 28:19,20 is used by JW's all the time? I guess you don't. “Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations….” Ya, we use this scripture. I have never ever hinted at ever denying the authenticity of this verse.
WJ, you are simply wrong.
“. . . Matthew 28:19 is unambiguous evidence that the early Apostles and Church Fathers believed in a Trinity.”–WJ
WJ, once again, I created this thread to point out the obvious delusion in the statement above. It's the words “unambiguous evidence” that is literally insane.
Quote (david @ July 14 2010,18:26) Quote This thread was created by a JW to deny the authenticity of the verse, yet there is no evidence that this verse was added, but only some scant rumors. –WJ
WJ, are you mad? You do realize that Matthew 28:19,20 is used by JW's all the time? I guess you don't. “Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations….” Ya, we use this scripture. I have never ever hinted at ever denying the authenticity of this verse.
WJ, you are simply wrong.
Hey WJ,I can validate David's statement. I brought this subject up at a family get together a month ago (most of my family are JWs) and they vehemently denied that this scripture was tampered with or added – for what that's worth.
mike
Quote (Oxy @ July 14 2010,20:07) I'm getting a headache..
Hi Oxy,Have you ever heard the Pink Floyd song “Another Brick in the Wall”? It's about school teachers and others who throughout our lives constrain us with their expectations and requirements of who we should and shouldn't be. They are paralleled with bricks in the walls that eventually get built around us, limiting the true “us” that we could have been.
Your post and new avatar made me think of how that parallels with you. Your wall is made up of unscriptural truths – each one an individual brick – that you have built around yourself. And you have built it so high (as can be seen in the graphic) that you can no longer even look over it to see the truth that is on the other side. As long as the wall remains, you won't be cured of your headache.
No worries, though. I have a BIG SLEDGEHAMMER named Jehovah with me. Shall we start the demolition?
peace and love to you brother,
mikeMike, I can feel the love.. thank you lol. You will note that the brick wall is external, not internal. My walls came tumbling down many years ago. I am more than happy with what the LORD has taught me and looking forward to learning more from HIM.
Oxy,
You like to Think you are SAYing the right things.
How do you say that your walls have tumbled down but in the previous sentence say that your walls are External?
You seem to like stating that you have the holy Spirit or that it reveals to you – yet your post show otherwise. Can you resolve this anomaly for US.
Oxy, your avatar is very annoying and gives me a headache just watching it. It also creates the impression that you are always frustrated or confused. You may want to change your image.
Sorry, I didn't think it was so confusing. My internal walls have come tumbling down. The external wall is not representative of who or what I am. But you have to admit that if the wall wasn't there for the little guy it wouldn't have the same effect lol
Quote (david @ July 15 2010,19:51) Oxy, your avatar is very annoying and gives me a headache just watching it. It also creates the impression that you are always frustrated or confused. You may want to change your image.
Let me see, why did I put that avatar there. I think Nick might have had something to do with it, but not the sole culprit.I am not confused, which I think is a testimony in itself with all the variance of doctrine that occurs here. Some believe this and some that and everyone has just the right Scriptures to support their claims. I find this place a web of deception and my avatar shows the frustration I feel as a result of being here.
I will leave again one day soon as I have done before, but not just yet.
Hi oxy,
I'm just saying that when I see that image, I of course first see frustration. But also someone who doesn't have it together. And really, it's also hurting my head. Why not make it a wall of pillows?
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