Matthew 28:19 authentic or not?

[JustAskin]

WJ,

Seeing that you claim I am speaking falsely against you – Please provide your proof or evidence that I have spoken falsely…

JustAskin.

[JustAskin]

WJ,

I am eager to see the matching verse that you have for Matthew 28:19.

Just as I await the NAME of the HOLY SPIRIT that you claim it has.

I ask on behalf of everyone else in this forum …

JustAskin

[terraricca]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 05 2010,08:16)

Quote (terraricca @ May 04 2010,15:50) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 05 2010,05:23) Quote (JustAskin @ May 04 2010,08:35) T, brother, I AM WJ as his reflection – When He speaks False I reflect back Truth. For this reason he cannot prevail. Has he ONCE prevailed against me – Show me – NOT ONCE because he cannot … He can only defeat Himself – and then he releases me from Him, See it. How can you say, don't talk to him? Now concerning TT, Now you can say don't speak – Mikeboll's got him teathered. You see what a teathered wild animal does – how he rages and tangles himself in the net – Mike has him tagged. Blessed are ye, when men (JA) shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Matt 5:11 WJ this quote of Mt 5;11 is only for thr righteous in Christ not for trinitatians t God sees the heart and he knows them that are his! When someone attacks or falsly accuses a believer in Jesus, then he has become an enemy of the Gospel of Christ and is influenced by the accuser of the brethren! WJ

WJ

the mouth speaks from the heart, and you are falsely teach the trinity what is pagan ,i do not attack you personally but only the expressions coming out of your mouth,God judge the heart for falsehood.

we that's included you if you believe in Christ can not teach anything other than what has be said by Jesus or is apostles and conform to the whole scriptures,
and look out for enemy added words who can not be proven otherwise than by them selves.

and who do not comply with the spirit of Christ.

[942767]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 05 2010,03:13)

Quote (942767 @ May 03 2010,21:02) Hi WJ: You say: Quote Trinitarians do not believe the Holy Spirit is a seperate being. And so, then what do you believe relative to the Holy Spirit? Love in Christ, Marty Marty You know what I believe. Is this a diversionary tactic or are you sincere? We have had this conversation. WJ

Hi WJ:

Is a person a being? Don't you say that the Holy Spirit is the Third person of the trinity? God in “Three Persons, Blessed Trinity”. Is that not what you believe?

Love in Christ,
Marty

[942767]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 05 2010,03:14)

Quote (942767 @ May 03 2010,21:14) Hi WJ: In the YLT Matthew 28:19: Quote Mat 28:19having gone, then, disciple all the nations, (baptizing them — to the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, Mat 28:20 teaching them to observe all, whatever I did command you,) and lo, I am with you all the days — till the full end of the age. Notice what is in Parenthesis.  Does this not mean that it was added by someone to add clarity? Love in Christ, Marty Marty Please explain what you might think is being clarified, because I do not see a difference! WJ

Hi WJ:

My point is that someone added that which is parenthesis. Reading what was said by Jesus without that which is in parenthesis, the scripture would read:

Matt 28:19 having gone, then, disciple all the nations, and lo, I am with you all the days–till the full end of the age.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[JustAskin]

MY Goodness,

Revelation is marvelous, Praise JAH!

WJ, doesn't know what Matthew 28:19 means… That's why he is asking – in the hope that WE will devise a trinity base answer for him.

What does it mean: Really? and then They baptise in the name of Jesus ONLY?

In the Name of the Father: What is the Name of the Father?
In order not to answer, WJ says God has no name that He recognises because the Pronunciation is lost – therefore the Name is Lost

In the Name of the Holy Spirit: What is the name of the Holy Spirit?
WJ keeps asking us to find it for him while alluding to KNOWING IT!

In the Name of the Son: What is the Name of the Son?
“Jesus, the Christ”, Jesus Christ, Christ Jesus, Yeshua, Jesous, Joshua….

((Hey, has anyone noticed tht Jesus and his brother's names contain the 5 thingy letters (JAmes “A”, JEsus “E”, SImon “I”, JOses “O”, and JUdas “U”) Coincidence or fabrication?))

What is this telling us  – I can't figure it: In “YAHWEH”, “YESHUA” and “” (Where is TT's head scratcher icony thing when you need it?)

But if we equate “NAME” with “Power and Authority” then we have:
Baptise them in the Power and Authority of the Father, and [The power and authority] of the Son, and In/With The Holy Spirit.
Baptise them in the Power and Authority of the Father, and of the Son, and With The Holy Spirit.

And, since the “Power and authority” is invested, being HELD (Not OWNED) by Jesus, then “In (the Power and Authority of Him who holds that Power and Authority), the Name of,  Jesus Christ”

How are true Spiritual believers to be Baptised: “In the Holy Spirit”, “With the holy Spirit”

[NickHassan]

Hi JA,
Those who do not have the Spirit of Christ are none of his.
But the book of Acts demonstrates water baptism.
ROMANS 6 EXPLAINS WHY YOU NEED BOTH

[JustAskin]

Nick,
Why don't you explain what ya talking about and stop all this couching…

What does Romans 6 say – from YOU NIck, What do you say (Oh, why does there always have to be ONE, Always One or ws that Two -Alwasy TWO There are (Its Star Wars day to day – May the 4th be with us – till it is not…. “aye, Caesar, Come but not yet Gone”[in the UK, any way]: Julius Caesar – Shakespeare)

[NickHassan]

Hi JA,
Read Rom 6

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (942767 @ May 04 2010,17:11)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 05 2010,03:13) Quote (942767 @ May 03 2010,21:02) Hi WJ: You say: Quote Trinitarians do not believe the Holy Spirit is a seperate being. And so, then what do you believe relative to the Holy Spirit? Love in Christ, Marty Marty You know what I believe. Is this a diversionary tactic or are you sincere? We have had this conversation. WJ Hi WJ: Is a person a being?  Don't you say that the Holy Spirit is the Third person of the trinity?  God in “Three Persons, Blessed Trinity”.  Is that not what you believe? Love in Christ, Marty

Marty

Doesn't your own church sing that? So tell us how that is unscriptural.

God is in Christ, Christ is in God, the Holy Spirit proceeds from them both.

Is the Father blessed? Is the Son blessed? Is the Holy Spirit blessed?

Isn't that what your Church teaches?

Have you blotted Matt 28:19 out of your Bible yet?

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (JustAskin @ May 04 2010,16:29)

WJ, Seeing that you claim I am speaking falsely against you – Please provide your proof or evidence that I have spoken falsely… JustAskin.

JA

Read your own post. When ever you open your mouth to attack me it is poisen and a lie.

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (terraricca @ May 04 2010,17:08)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 05 2010,08:16) Quote (terraricca @ May 04 2010,15:50) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 05 2010,05:23) Quote (JustAskin @ May 04 2010,08:35) T, brother, I AM WJ as his reflection – When He speaks False I reflect back Truth. For this reason he cannot prevail. Has he ONCE prevailed against me – Show me – NOT ONCE because he cannot … He can only defeat Himself – and then he releases me from Him, See it. How can you say, don't talk to him? Now concerning TT, Now you can say don't speak – Mikeboll's got him teathered. You see what a teathered wild animal does – how he rages and tangles himself in the net – Mike has him tagged. Blessed are ye, when men (JA) shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Matt 5:11 WJ this quote of Mt 5;11 is only for thr righteous in Christ not for trinitatians t God sees the heart and he knows them that are his! When someone attacks or falsly accuses a believer in Jesus, then he has become an enemy of the Gospel of Christ and is influenced by the accuser of the brethren! WJ WJ the mouth speaks from the heart, and you are falsely teach the trinity what is pagan ,i do not attack you personally but only the expressions coming out of your mouth,God judge the heart for falsehood. we that's included you if you believe in Christ can not teach anything other than what has be said by Jesus or is apostles and conform to the whole scriptures, and look out for enemy added words who can not be proven otherwise than by them selves. and who do not comply with the spirit of Christ.

Opinions are like elbows!

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (942767 @ May 04 2010,17:19)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 05 2010,03:14) Quote (942767 @ May 03 2010,21:14) Hi WJ: In the YLT Matthew 28:19: Quote Mat 28:19having gone, then, disciple all the nations, (baptizing them — to the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, Mat 28:20 teaching them to observe all, whatever I did command you,) and lo, I am with you all the days — till the full end of the age. Notice what is in Parenthesis.  Does this not mean that it was added by someone to add clarity? Love in Christ, Marty Marty Please explain what you might think is being clarified, because I do not see a difference! WJ Hi WJ: My point is that someone added that which is parenthesis.  Reading what was said by Jesus without that which is in parenthesis, the scripture would read: Matt 28:19 having gone, then, disciple all the nations, and lo, I am with you all the days–till the full end of the age. Love in Christ, Marty

marty

If your are implying that Young was putting the parenthesis there because the words did not belong then you are wrong and deny that every extant manuscript that we have has Matt 28:19 in its current form.

Notice the YLT didn't remove the text and there is no commentary by him to claim it shouldn't be there.

You are really grasping for straws!

So I guess you have blotted it out of your Bible, is that right?

WJ

[JustAskin]

WJ,

Please post the evidence that you claim against me.

I would have thought it would have been your grestest pleasure.

WJ, just post ONE.

Please.

[942767]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 05 2010,11:47)

Quote (942767 @ May 04 2010,17:19) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 05 2010,03:14) Quote (942767 @ May 03 2010,21:14) Hi WJ: In the YLT Matthew 28:19: Quote Mat 28:19having gone, then, disciple all the nations, (baptizing them — to the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, Mat 28:20 teaching them to observe all, whatever I did command you,) and lo, I am with you all the days — till the full end of the age. Notice what is in Parenthesis.  Does this not mean that it was added by someone to add clarity? Love in Christ, Marty Marty Please explain what you might think is being clarified, because I do not see a difference! WJ Hi WJ: My point is that someone added that which is parenthesis.  Reading what was said by Jesus without that which is in parenthesis, the scripture would read: Matt 28:19 having gone, then, disciple all the nations, and lo, I am with you all the days–till the full end of the age. Love in Christ, Marty marty If your are implying that Young was putting the parenthesis there because the words did not belong then you are wrong and deny that every extant manuscript that we have has Matt 28:19 in its current form. Notice the YLT didn't remove the text and there is no commentary by him to claim it shouldn't be there. You are really grasping for straws! So I guess you have blotted it out of your Bible, is that right? WJ

Hi WJ:

The question is why in this translation, which is supposed to be a literal translation, this phrase is in parenthesis.

Like I have stated before, it makes no sense for Jesus to say “All power over heaven and earth has been given unto me” and then to command that converts be baptized “in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.”

And if he did say this, then why did not the Apostles baptize that way? They didn't. They baptized in the name of Jesus.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[Worshipping Jesus]

Hi All

JA keeps making post in this thread hoping to draw me into a debate. But, he quit the debate that we had in the debates thread (Click Here) and then claims that I was defeated. He says he has won over me. But it’s not about winning it’s about the truth.

Now he wants to bring it over here where I created a thread for others to engage and suddenly he comes alive.

I can only assume this is another way of him trying to be the bully on the block, for like all bullies they usually are bullies when they are surrounded by there friends.

This is why he keeps posting things that simply attack the person like throwing sticks and stones rather than addressing any real issues. Then when he can't get a rise out of me he post an attempt to some biblical exegesis hoping to draw me in.

But like most bullies, if you bring them into an environment where it is just the bully and the one he seeks to bully, then the bully’s true color comes out.

JA can post all he likes here in this thread where all his buddies can jump in and defend him, but I have no obligation to respond to him here.

I won't be mentally pushed around by a bully and his childish diatribe.

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (942767 @ May 04 2010,19:58)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 05 2010,11:47) Quote (942767 @ May 04 2010,17:19) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 05 2010,03:14) Quote (942767 @ May 03 2010,21:14) Hi WJ: In the YLT Matthew 28:19: Quote Mat 28:19having gone, then, disciple all the nations, (baptizing them — to the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, Mat 28:20 teaching them to observe all, whatever I did command you,) and lo, I am with you all the days — till the full end of the age. Notice what is in Parenthesis.  Does this not mean that it was added by someone to add clarity? Love in Christ, Marty Marty Please explain what you might think is being clarified, because I do not see a difference! WJ Hi WJ: My point is that someone added that which is parenthesis.  Reading what was said by Jesus without that which is in parenthesis, the scripture would read: Matt 28:19 having gone, then, disciple all the nations, and lo, I am with you all the days–till the full end of the age. Love in Christ, Marty marty If your are implying that Young was putting the parenthesis there because the words did not belong then you are wrong and deny that every extant manuscript that we have has Matt 28:19 in its current form. Notice the YLT didn't remove the text and there is no commentary by him to claim it shouldn't be there. You are really grasping for straws! So I guess you have blotted it out of your Bible, is that right? WJ Hi WJ: The question is why in this translation, which is supposed to be a literal translation, this phrase is in parenthesis. Like I have stated before, it makes no sense for Jesus to say “All power over heaven and earth has been given unto me” and then to command that converts be baptized “in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.” And if he did say this, then why did not the Apostles baptize that way?  They didn't.  They baptized in the name of Jesus. Love in Christ, Marty

Marty

Jesus words does not contradict the Apostles actions in light of Matt 28:19.

Jesus was making it clear that though he had all authority that there was still the Father and the Holy Spirit with the same authority, because all fullness is in Jesus. They are one!

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (JustAskin @ May 04 2010,19:55)

WJ, Please post the evidence that you claim against me. I would have thought it would have been your grestest pleasure. WJ, just post ONE. Please.

JA

Pick any post you like.

Just about everything you post about me is false IMO. The things you say that are unrelated to the scritpures about me and Jack is just false and foolish and childish diatribe.

WJ

[942767]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 05 2010,12:39)

Quote (942767 @ May 04 2010,19:58) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 05 2010,11:47) Quote (942767 @ May 04 2010,17:19) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 05 2010,03:14) Quote (942767 @ May 03 2010,21:14) Hi WJ: In the YLT Matthew 28:19: Quote Mat 28:19having gone, then, disciple all the nations, (baptizing them — to the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, Mat 28:20 teaching them to observe all, whatever I did command you,) and lo, I am with you all the days — till the full end of the age. Notice what is in Parenthesis.  Does this not mean that it was added by someone to add clarity? Love in Christ, Marty Marty Please explain what you might think is being clarified, because I do not see a difference! WJ Hi WJ: My point is that someone added that which is parenthesis.  Reading what was said by Jesus without that which is in parenthesis, the scripture would read: Matt 28:19 having gone, then, disciple all the nations, and lo, I am with you all the days–till the full end of the age. Love in Christ, Marty marty If your are implying that Young was putting the parenthesis there because the words did not belong then you are wrong and deny that every extant manuscript that we have has Matt 28:19 in its current form. Notice the YLT didn't remove the text and there is no commentary by him to claim it shouldn't be there. You are really grasping for straws! So I guess you have blotted it out of your Bible, is that right? WJ Hi WJ: The question is why in this translation, which is supposed to be a literal translation, this phrase is in parenthesis. Like I have stated before, it makes no sense for Jesus to say “All power over heaven and earth has been given unto me” and then to command that converts be baptized “in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.” And if he did say this, then why did not the Apostles baptize that way?  They didn't.  They baptized in the name of Jesus. Love in Christ, Marty Marty Jesus words does not contradict the Apostles actions in light of Matt 28:19. Jesus was making it clear that though he had all authority that there was still the Father and the Holy Spirit with the same authority, because all fullness is in Jesus. The are one! WJ

WJ:

You are not making any sense at all with your statement. Jesus said: “All power and authority has been given unto me”.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (942767 @ May 04 2010,20:44)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 05 2010,12:39) Quote (942767 @ May 04 2010,19:58) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 05 2010,11:47) Quote (942767 @ May 04 2010,17:19) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 05 2010,03:14) Quote (942767 @ May 03 2010,21:14) Hi WJ: In the YLT Matthew 28:19: Quote Mat 28:19having gone, then, disciple all the nations, (baptizing them — to the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, Mat 28:20 teaching them to observe all, whatever I did command you,) and lo, I am with you all the days — till the full end of the age. Notice what is in Parenthesis.  Does this not mean that it was added by someone to add clarity? Love in Christ, Marty Marty Please explain what you might think is being clarified, because I do not see a difference! WJ Hi WJ: My point is that someone added that which is parenthesis.  Reading what was said by Jesus without that which is in parenthesis, the scripture would read: Matt 28:19 having gone, then, disciple all the nations, and lo, I am with you all the days–till the full end of the age. Love in Christ, Marty marty If your are implying that Young was putting the parenthesis there because the words did not belong then you are wrong and deny that every extant manuscript that we have has Matt 28:19 in its current form. Notice the YLT didn't remove the text and there is no commentary by him to claim it shouldn't be there. You are really grasping for straws! So I guess you have blotted it out of your Bible, is that right? WJ Hi WJ: The question is why in this translation, which is supposed to be a literal translation, this phrase is in parenthesis. Like I have stated before, it makes no sense for Jesus to say “All power over heaven and earth has been given unto me” and then to command that converts be baptized “in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.” And if he did say this, then why did not the Apostles baptize that way?  They didn't.  They baptized in the name of Jesus. Love in Christ, Marty Marty Jesus words does not contradict the Apostles actions in light of Matt 28:19. Jesus was making it clear that though he had all authority that there was still the Father and the Holy Spirit with the same authority, because all fullness is in Jesus. The are one! WJ WJ: You are not making any sense at all with your statement.  Jesus said:  “All power and authority has been given unto me”. Love in Christ, Marty

LOL

Marty are you saying the Father and the Holy Spirit does not have any authority?

The name of Jesus is the one we use to invoke the Father and the Holy Spirit, or God if you will, because all fullness is in him and that is because he is God, one with the Father and the Holy Spirit!

WJ

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