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Hi Nick,
His answer is obvious.
The question to ask is: Would you allow others of your household to choose for themselves what they believe to be the Truth?
Hi JA,
I contend that nobody ever in the history of mankind read the Bible and came up with a trinity concept. Even the inventors of it were influenced by wanting to fit in with the pagan triad gods of their day. I guess they thought, “Well if their god is three, then so must ours be.”
The confusion of the trinity has to be taught – and even then is impossible to grasp mentally. Paul has read the quotes of the trinitarians I posted that say they can't even understand it. And the one from Encyclopedia Americana that says it is “beyond the grasp of human reason”.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (Is 1:18 @ May 07 2010,15:24) No. As I explain in my last post to you on the Hebrews 1 topic I have other commitments at present.
Hi Paul,Yet you have time for useless insults to my IQ and the fullness of my life?
The record on HN bears that I have never run from a question put forth by anyone. I have been wrong, and I'm sure I have missed some posts, but I have never run.
peace and love,
mikeNick,
Please don't bring people's chikdren into the forum to use as tools of discussional debate.
This will draw uoon emotion, and no pure duscussion comes from decisions based on emotion.
This is how one in this forum comes to believe that we should wirship Jesus, 'because he was a good person', 'a good child', 'a good son'…'and I feel for him…' (inferred quotes)
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2010,16:37) Yet you have time for useless insults to my IQ and the fullness of my life?
The IQ jibe was a tongue in cheek comment. For the record I think you're intelligent, but misguided.Harden up princess.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2010,16:33) I contend that nobody ever in the history of mankind read the Bible and came up with a trinity concept. Even the inventors of it were influenced by wanting to fit in with the pagan triad gods of their day. I guess they thought, “Well if their god is three, then so must ours be.”
Who are the “inventors” of the trinity doctrine. What are their names?Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2010,16:37) Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 07 2010,15:24) No. As I explain in my last post to you on the Hebrews 1 topic I have other commitments at present.
Hi Paul,Yet you have time for useless insults to my IQ and the fullness of my life?
The record on HN bears that I have never run from a question put forth by anyone. I have been wrong, and I'm sure I have missed some posts, but I have never run.
peace and love,
mike
The fulness of life was probably a little harsh, I take it back. Try and understand though that other's don't have the discretionary time that you appear to have, so if they come and go in debates it's not a forfeit of any kind. It's irritating when that's implied.Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 06 2010,21:53) Like WJ and thinker always do in the open threads. And when I ask a direct question, and they try to skirt the issue with a non-answer, I ask it again. Then they say I have a comprehension problem. How fair is that?
MikeQuit running off at the mouth with false claims like this and give us an example of this!
WJ
mike
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2010,00:33) …And the one from Encyclopedia Americana that says it is “beyond the grasp of human reason”.
Tell us just how the nature of an infinitely all knowing, all powerful, God is not “beyond the grasp of human reason”?This is more of the same ole carnal logic. Man some how thinks God exist in the same dimension as man, or a truth about his infinite nature has to be fully understood by the carnal mind before it is the truth.
Does your mind begin to grasp how God never had a beginning or an end? Does your mind begin to grasp the concept of infinity?
The Spirit of Jesus reveals to man who God is and without that revelation men will die in their sins.
WJ
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2010,00:37) Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 07 2010,15:24) No. As I explain in my last post to you on the Hebrews 1 topic I have other commitments at present.
Hi Paul,Yet you have time for useless insults to my IQ and the fullness of my life?
The record on HN bears that I have never run from a question put forth by anyone. I have been wrong, and I'm sure I have missed some posts, but I have never run.
peace and love,
mike
MikeNeither have we, but we have had to pick and choose what we have time for because we are out numbered for one and secondly because we also have lives.
So your accusations are totally false and uncalled for.
WJ
BTW, check out how long I have been here and endured the constant barrage of attacks on my person and what I believe. If I am hiding from anything I would have been gone a long time ago, which I expect to see of you and JA and others, like I have seen many come and go before you.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 08 2010,03:02) mike Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2010,00:33) …And the one from Encyclopedia Americana that says it is “beyond the grasp of human reason”.
Tell us just how the nature of an infinitely all knowing, all powerful, God is not “beyond the grasp of human reason”?This is more of the same ole carnal logic. Man some how thinks God exist in the same dimension as man, or a truth about his infinite nature has to be fully understood by the carnal mind before it is the truth.
Does your mind begin to grasp how God never had a beginning or an end? Does your mind begin to grasp the concept of infinity?
The Spirit of Jesus reveals to man who God is and without that revelation men will die in their sins.
WJ
Hi WJ,
The Spirit of Jesus reminds us of his words.[Jn14-16]
He never spoke of any trinity so what is the spirit you listen to?Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 08 2010,03:02) mike Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2010,00:33) …And the one from Encyclopedia Americana that says it is “beyond the grasp of human reason”.
Tell us just how the nature of an infinitely all knowing, all powerful, God is not “beyond the grasp of human reason”?This is more of the same ole carnal logic. Man some how thinks God exist in the same dimension as man, or a truth about his infinite nature has to be fully understood by the carnal mind before it is the truth.
Does your mind begin to grasp how God never had a beginning or an end? Does your mind begin to grasp the concept of infinity?
The Spirit of Jesus reveals to man who God is and without that revelation men will die in their sins.
WJ
well said WJ.Hi WJ,
1Cor 2 shows it is beyond carnal reasoning.
You need the Spirit of God.Jesus said his Father was the one the jews called God [Jn8.54] but you would offer a strange new trinity god that includes God's son?
By whose authority??
Hi WJ,
Mt 28 only gives us authority to teach what he taught.
That is what is written.
trinity is not.Hi all,
Jesus is with us.
WJ, 'The spirit of Jesus reveals to man who God is'
And 'the Spirit of Truth' reveals, …um…TRUTH!WJ, are you saying that Jesus has his own Spirit (yes, we know he has, but is that what YOU say, also? At least you just wrote it!)
And we know that the Spirit of Jesus is in us if we believe in him.
And we know that the Spirit of God is in us if we believe in God, and Christ.
So we have TWO other Spirits in us.For those who didn't read the debate thread, WJ asked me, by way of trying to refute a claim, do we have more than one [other] spirit in us? Well, yes. One from God, the Holy Spirit, and one from Christ, the Spirit of Christ. Scriptures state this also…
Note that Scriptures doesn't state that the 'Spirit of Christ' is 'the Holy Spirit' nor that the 'Spirit of Christ' IS Holy (This latter for the fininicky amongst us!)So what has been learnt from the Spirit of Truth here today:
That WJ CAN speak truth but does not realise it.
That WJ, far from holding to Trinity, is seeking Truth, but doesn't know it.
That WJ has been here for so long and has learnt nothing in that time (Because, indeed, belief in the Trinity traps you in a circle of deception, a bubble that difuses Truth from outside as lies and keeps you believing that the unpallatable, unfathomable, unbelievable, immaturely worded doctrine, is truth)
That the bubble has burst from around WJ, and I have written that even TT is writing Truth (at times) but does not know it.
That we should be mindful when reading their posts and see where they DO speak Truth and acknowledge it. This is not 'giving quarter' to Trinity, it is acknowledging God's Truth – from whomever it comes – lest you start to deny God's Truth 'Just because it comes from the mouth of the adversary'.
Doing so makes 'YOU' God's adversary…please beware.JA………..Good POST, Truth can come from any source. The Spirit (intellect) of truth God has given us, keeps us from being decieved, it is the teacher and recognizer of what is true or not. I also believe WJ and all trinitarians are caught up in a bubble of deception and unless they can let go of their delusions and start fresh, they will never escape the trap their in. They are definitely in the ditch the blind fall in, but “every man in his time”, we are told, so we need to always hold out Hope for all, God is able to remove the blinders and cause them to see. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………gene
Quote Mike Quit running off at the mouth with false claims like this and give us an example of this!
WJ
Hi WJ,
How about this post of yours as an example. I have asked you what exactly Matt 28:19 means to you. You played word games and said I have a comprehension problem. So I clarified my question as plain as I possibly could have, and what do you decide to answer to? This other post to Paul.
Where's the answer to the question I've had to ask 4 different ways? Where's the answer to my question on the wording of “throne” in Rev? This is the 4th time now. This is my post to you from page 17 of this thread:
Quote Very simply, this is what I want to know. You imply that Matt 28:19 mentions a trinity. If you are saying only that it mentions three together, and that is your definition of trinity, then I agree. It is no different than mentioning Abraham, Isaac and Jacob together.
But here is where you get tricky. You say that while it doesn't prove the trinity doctrine, it proves a trinity is mentioned in the Bible. So what? A “trinity” of the sun, moon and stars are also mentioned, in that they are all mentioned together. So my original question stands:
What do you think Matthew 28:19 proves? Is it:
a. That the Father, Son and Holy Spirit can be mentioned together in a sentence, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with you trinity doctrine? or:
b. The fact that the three are mentioned together somehow implies that they are equal members of a godhead? Or at least gives a hint of this godhead. If your answer is b., tell me how?
Which one is it?
And I'll be waiting for the answer to my other post yesterday in this thread. You have avoided the “throne” question thrice now.
One last point: You mentioned to Marty that the Holy Spirit had power and authority. Where does Scripture say that the Holy Spirit has authority over anything?
peace and love,
mikeAnd about three weeks ago I suggested we take the writings of John one verse at a time to find out if John actually believed Jesus to be God Almighty, and a million words later, I'm still waiting.
I absolutely understand that you are outnumbered and have many posts to answer. I understand that HN is not you whole life. I understand that posts get overlooked because of the large amount of them in a hot topic.
But when Terra asks you some simple point blank questions over and over as he did earlier in this thread, and you bail out by saying they're not related, I think it is lame. You can't just answer the easy ones WJ.
Anyway, I am satisfied that all my questions will eventually get answered in our debate, even if it takes years.
Gotta go, taking my son to Ironman. I understand he is a distant relative of your God/Man.
peace and love,
mike
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