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Catholic Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger:
He makes this confession as to the origin of the chief Trinity text of Matthew 28:19. “The basic form of our (Matthew 28:19 Trinitarian) profession of faith took shape during the course of the second and third centuries in connection with the ceremony of baptism. So far as its place of origin is concerned, the text (Matthew 28:19) came from the city of Rome.”The Trinity baptism and text of Matthew 28:19 therefore did not originate from the original Church that started in Jerusalem around AD 33. It was rather as the evidence proves a later invention of Roman Catholicism completely fabricated. Very few know about these historical facts.
“The Demonstratio Evangelica” by Eusebius:
Eusebius was the Church historian and Bishop of Caesarea. On page 152 Eusebius quotes the early book of Matthew that he had in his library in Caesarea. According to that eyewitness of an unaltered Book of Matthew that could have been the original book or the first copy of the original of Matthew. Eusebius informs us of Jesus' actual words to his disciples in the original text of Matthew 28:19: “With one word and voice He said to His disciples: “Go, and make disciples of all nations in My Name, teaching them to observe all
things whatsover I have commanded you.” That “Name” is Jesus.Matthew 28:19. N.I.V.
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.Eusebius was the Bishop of Caesarea and is known as “the Father of Church History.” Eusebius quotes many verses in his writings, and Matthew 28:19 is one of them. He never quotes it as it is today in our modern Bibles, but he always finishes the verse with the words “in my name.” For example, in Book III of his History, Chapter 5, Section 2, which is about the Jewish persecution of early Christians, we read:
But the rest of the apostles, who had been incessantly plotted against with a view to their destruction, and had been driven out of the land of Judea, went to all nations to preach the Gospel, relying upon the power of Christ, who had said to them,“Go ye and make disciples of all the nations in my name.”And again, in his Oration in Praise of Emperor Constantine, Chapter 16, Section 8, we read:
What king or prince in any age of the world, what philosopher, legislator or prophet, in civilized or barbarous lands, has attained so great a height of excellence, I say not after death, but while living still, and full of mighty power, as to fill the ears and tongues of all mankind with the praises of his name? Surely none save our only Savior has done this, when, after his victory over death, he spoke these words to his followers, and fulfilled it by that event, saying to them, “Go ye and make disciples of all nations in my name.”There is not a single occurrence of the disciples baptizing anyone useing the trinitarian formula. All of the scripture in the New Testament shows that people were baptized into the name of Jesus, even after Pentecost.
And when people in church leadership recieved the Holy Spirit, it was without the Trinitarian formula as in Acts 8:17.
Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.I actually can see where alot of the oneness get alot of their doctrine. And some of it I believe is the truth. (the rest I have not studied very well yet).
Even so, as it may be…this is really not the main problem that I have with the “Modern Apostolic Faith” The main problem that I have is that they are so judgmental and prideful even. They tend to put themselves up on a pedastool. And then proceed to point out all the things that other people do wrong. And go so far even as to “Throw people out of their Synagogue”. There are several things where I have been made very uncomfortable by the spirit over certain things, around people with this faith.
And now I feel like I'm no better than they, that I'm sitting here pointing out all these things that they do. But I'll tell you that alot of things that I've witnessed puts a convection in my heart.
In other words I just get the feeling that its not right.I wish and pray to GOD that we were not like this. I really wish we could all just forgive and love each other like Jesus taught us to…so that we might all be able to sit around the throne with GOD in the end of time.
It really pains my heart to see ourselves act like this. The Devil is doing his best to deceive us and divide and conquer us. We must not let him do this. We must prevail and endure to the end. We must put aside our flesh and take on the spirit. Because the flesh lives for the flesh…but the spirit lives for the spirit.
We are going to have to claim victory over these things.
Hi Samuel,
If the spirit of God was the spirit that motivated them they would not behave as they do.Hi all
This is another example of men denying what is written by claiming corruption.
Its kind of hard to prove that something existed when someone claims it was supposedly destroyed.
Many here I am sure have never heard of Cecil the Centurion that had an original copy of John that had a quote of Jesus saying “I am YHWH”. It was destroyed by the Arians in the first century.
WJ
WJ,
Have you got some support of that – I would be interested in seeing it …….. I'm not going to believe a “he said, she said, there was something that was destroyed so we can't show it to you, just believe that it did exist”.hi all
i don't know what the problem is .you can with the spirit of Christ solve all errors ,past or present.
but you cannot change the heart of the ones who will not lesson to Christ because there heart is not set to do that.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 11 2008,10:28) Hi all This is another example of men denying what is written by claiming corruption.
Its kind of hard to prove that something existed when someone claims it was supposedly destroyed.
Many here I am sure have never heard of Cecil the Centurion that had an original copy of John that had a quote of Jesus saying “I am YHWH”. It was destroyed by the Arians in the first century.
WJ
WJif it was destroyed how come we know about it ??
I found this article here about the trinitarian formula for baptism:
http://www.sidroth.org/site….rl=1051
It was written by Lonnie Lane, a fourth generation Jew but first generation believer in Yeshua. It is pretty interesting.Quote …What we call “The Great Commission” reads in most of our Bibles this way: “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit” (Matthew 28:19). Probably most of us were baptized that way, whether we were sprinkled or immersed, as a baby or as a believer. However, it is true that in the original Greek text of this verse, Yeshua told His disciples only to baptize in His name. There is evidence to believe the phrase, “Father, Son and Holy Spirit” was added later and codified at the Nicean Council in 325 A.D. when much of the “Hebrewness” of the Bible and the faith was done away with, so it would not be surprising that some very non-Hebraic, that is to say unbiblical precepts would have been introduced. Some earlier Christian theologians who had seen the complete book of Matthew attested that the early copies of Matthew did not contain the phrase. Eusebius also confirmed it was not in the early texts, as did other theologians. The evidence appears to be overwhelming that the phrase was not in the original texts. Our best witnesses to that would be the disciples themselves. So let’s look at what they had to say since Matthew 28:19 is not the only reference of what Yeshua told His disciples when he “commissioned” them to “go.”…
Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 24 2010,16:32) I found this article here about the trinitarian formula for baptism: http://www.sidroth.org/site….rl=1051
It was written by Lonnie Lane, a fourth generation Jew but first generation believer in Yeshua. It is pretty interesting.Quote …What we call “The Great Commission” reads in most of our Bibles this way: “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit” (Matthew 28:19). Probably most of us were baptized that way, whether we were sprinkled or immersed, as a baby or as a believer. However, it is true that in the original Greek text of this verse, Yeshua told His disciples only to baptize in His name. There is evidence to believe the phrase, “Father, Son and Holy Spirit” was added later and codified at the Nicean Council in 325 A.D. when much of the “Hebrewness” of the Bible and the faith was done away with, so it would not be surprising that some very non-Hebraic, that is to say unbiblical precepts would have been introduced. Some earlier Christian theologians who had seen the complete book of Matthew attested that the early copies of Matthew did not contain the phrase. Eusebius also confirmed it was not in the early texts, as did other theologians. The evidence appears to be overwhelming that the phrase was not in the original texts. Our best witnesses to that would be the disciples themselves. So let’s look at what they had to say since Matthew 28:19 is not the only reference of what Yeshua told His disciples when he “commissioned” them to “go.”…
luLK 16:27 “And he said, ‘Then I beg you, father, that you send him to my father’s house—
LK 16:28 for I have five brothers—in order that he may warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’
LK 16:29 “But Abraham *said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’
LK 16:30 “But he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent!’
LK 16:31 “But he said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the deadMANY FACE THAT DELEMA
Paul was baptised by Jesus,I'm sure.
By his appearing.
His eyes of understanding was instantly opened.
Paul was blinded by the brightness of the light,for three days.
That is to convince him that it was not just a dream.We need to be baptised by the HS to understand the written Word. Not baptised by mens spirit of wisdom.
Seek and ye shall find; *meaning*.
Seek the scriptures,inspired by God.
Not books inspired by men.
This is our choice into which frequency we like to tap into.wakeup.
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