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- July 8, 2007 at 5:08 am#58656chosenoneParticipant
Matthew 15:24 Now He (Jesus), answering, said, “I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
Some take this to mean that His commission was to the “Jews” only. But others say this is not so, but for everyone.What is your understanding? Opinions please.
July 8, 2007 at 5:09 am#58658NickHassanParticipantHi CO,
The apostles took the same offer of salvation to the nations.
All men everywhere must repent.July 8, 2007 at 5:18 am#58661chosenoneParticipantMatthew 10:5-6
5 These twelve Jesus commissions, charging them, saying, “Into a road of the nations you may not pass forth, and into a city of the Samaritans you may not be entering.
6 Yet be going rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.July 8, 2007 at 5:28 am#58662NickHassanParticipantHi Co,
So then later the apostles took the same gospel to the nations.July 8, 2007 at 5:35 am#58666chosenoneParticipantScripture please.
July 8, 2007 at 5:42 am#58667NickHassanParticipantHi CO,
Start with Gal 1.July 8, 2007 at 3:08 pm#58686kenrchParticipantThe first shall be last (Jews to be saved) and the last shall be first ( Gentiles to be saved).
Romans chapter 11 explains all this. It is through Israel that the whole world will be saved. Is it any wonder that Christ first went to the House of Israel FIRST?
IHN&L,
Ken
July 8, 2007 at 3:19 pm#58693acertainchapParticipantJuly 8, 2007 at 9:33 pm#58713chosenoneParticipantQuote (kenrch @ July 09 2007,03:08) The first shall be last (Jews to be saved) and the last shall be first ( Gentiles to be saved). Romans chapter 11 explains all this. It is through Israel that the whole world will be saved. Is it any wonder that Christ first went to the House of Israel FIRST?
IHN&L,
Ken
Hi kenrch, good explanation, Romans 11 also good reading. But, does Matt.15:24 mean what Jesus said?Blessings.
July 8, 2007 at 11:47 pm#58738NickHassanParticipantHi Chosen one,
Scripture is full of the Choice of God.
Numbers 16:5
And he spake unto Korah and unto all his company, saying, Even to morrow the LORD will shew who are his, and who is holy; and will cause him to come near unto him: even him whom he hath chosen will he cause to come near unto him.Deuteronomy 7:6
For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
Isaiah 44:1
Yet now hear, O Jacob my servant; and Israel, whom I have chosen:
Isaiah 48:10
Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.Zechariah 3:2
And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?Matthew 20:16
So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.John 15:19
If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.John 15:19
If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.Ephesians 1:4
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:James 2:5
Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?1 Peter 2:4
To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,Revelation 17:14
These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.All are called but not all chosen
July 8, 2007 at 11:55 pm#58743chosenoneParticipantYes Nick, but, did Jesus mean what He said? That was the question.
July 9, 2007 at 1:55 am#58804NickHassanParticipantHi CO,
Was Christ sending his disciples to Israel?
Yes, they were first to be offered salvation through the eternal gospel.
Then the same offer was made to the gentiles and Paul and Peter taught men how to enter the kingdom.July 9, 2007 at 3:50 am#58831kejonnParticipantFirst, I must say that this is a silly thread. Sorry, had to get that out of the way .
Why is it silly? Well, we cannot guess whether or not Yeshua meant what he said or not, we must simply accept that he said it, and that it was true.
We know Yeshua was a Jew and came for the Jews. But his own rejected him (Mark 8:31, Luke 17:25) and put him to death. The command to reach the Gentiles was not first given to Paul, but the 11 remaining Apostles before the Ascension (Matt 28:19, Mark 16:15, Acts 1:8). However, for whatever reason, it took the Damascus Road experience of Paul to jumpstart the other Jewish Apostles into reaching those commanded them to reach and not continue to focus on Jews. In fact, Peter had to be given a vision (Acts 10:9-16) to get him to go to the Gentiles.
July 9, 2007 at 4:39 am#58833chosenoneParticipantHi kejonn.
I don't agree that this topic is a silly thread. It is very important for understanding the message Jesus gave. Is it to the Jews only, or, as many believe, is it for all. Truely, all scripture is FOR us (all), but not all scripture is ABOUT us. It is impotant to know that, as in Ro.15:8 scripture says, “…that Christ has become the servant of the Circumcision, for the sake of the truth of God, to confirm the patriarchal promises.” And in Ro.15:16 it says, “…because of the grace being given to me (Paul) from God, for me to be the minister of Christ Jesus for the Nations, acting as a priest of the evangel of God, that the approach presant of the nations may be becoming well recieved, having been hallowed by holy spirit”. Not understanding this, amounts to much confusion, causing scripture to be misinterpeted, mixing the teachings to those under the “law”, with those who are under “Grace”. So, many teach the laws given to the Jews to reach the “kingdom”, are the same for us today for “salvation”, although we are saved by “grace”, not obediance to the “law”.
So again, “did Jesus mean what He said when He said…”.Regarding Matt.28:19, again, this was the instruction for the Jews had they entered the promised Land, the “kingdom”, then they were to “to disciple all the Nations, …” As of now, this has not been realised, but will be, when God makes a “new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah” (Heb.8:12)
Blessings.
July 9, 2007 at 4:51 am#58835NickHassanParticipantHi KJ,
CO wishes to corral us and our view of scripture so he can preach his new gospel.July 9, 2007 at 5:10 am#58837chosenoneParticipantNotice I give scripture with my opinion. Unlike one “pushing” the 'gospel of Nick'.
July 9, 2007 at 5:26 am#58841NickHassanParticipantHi CO,
You should teach the one everlasting gospel of Christ.
You must be born again.July 9, 2007 at 5:35 am#58843chosenoneParticipantAs I repied in another thread, I am not of Israel and need not be “born again”, that is for the nation of Israel. I am a “new creation”.
See my explanation in another thread to you.July 9, 2007 at 6:47 am#58857NickHassanParticipantHi CO,
So you are not yet grafted into the olive tree of Israel?[Rom11]July 9, 2007 at 12:11 pm#58864kejonnParticipantNick,
You are the 2nd person in many days that has asserted that the olive tree is Israel. It is not. Why do you think Paul calls the Gentiles the “wild branches”? The root of the olive tree is Abraham, because to him was the promise made that “all the nations of the earth shall be blessed” (Gen 22:18, 18:18).If the olive tree was Israel, we would not be wild branches. The promises to Israel were not to any Gentile nations. Those Jews who reject Yeshua would still be Jews, but they would not share in the Abrahamic blessing. Israel did not come to be until Jacob.
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