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Hi t8,
You do realise that when the white throne judgement occurs it is not ON EARTH?
Rev 20.23
“Then I saw a great white throne and Him Who sat upon it,
FROM WHOSE PRESENCE EARTH AND HEAVEN FLED AWAY AND NO PLACE WAS FOUND FOR THEM.
And I saw the dead, the great and the small standing before the throne, and books were opened…”
So any reference to a FIRE ON EARTH is not relevant to this event.
Obviously there has to exist a place that is untouched by the fire.
What is it if the wicked are taken to that place and cast into the fire upon the guilty verdict.
Hi t8,
There is no relationship between the fires on earth and the lake of fire that is not on the earth.
No need to speculate about the place of such a fire on earth
The fires on earth affect only the living.
The lake of fire is for the dead
do you understand?
Hi T8,
The point of faith is the salvation of the soul.
It is souls that face the judgement according to works done in the flesh.
If you are in Christ you have already passed over from death to life. Jn5
There is no condemnation for those who are Christ Jesus.
There is no relationship between the fires on earth and the lake of fire that is not on the earth.
By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.
Hi t8,
To give substance to your theory you should find supporting verses.
Just repeating one misunderstood verse does not cut it.
I wouldn’t describe a verse as a theory. However there are many verses that talk about the destruction of the wicked by fire as well as the earth.
Malachi 4:1
“Surely the day is coming; it will burn like a furnace. All the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble, and the day that is coming will set them on fire,” says the LORD Almighty. “Not a root or a branch will be left to them.2 Peter 3:10-12
But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up.Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat!
So we see that fire is the judgement for the old order of things and this includes the wicked too. From that, the verse I have been quoting fits in nicely with what is being described:
2 Peter 3:7
By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.You are free to disagree Nick, and I will not get upset about it. 🙂
Here is the sequence according to Revelation
- And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea. And they marched up over the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city,
- but fire came down from heaven and consumed them,
- and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
- Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them.
- And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done.
- And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done.
- Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Fire is the judgement for the heavens and earth, the wicked and all their works. All these will be destroyed by fire.
Hi t8,
Is 24.6
‘ Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth and they that dwell therein are desolate; therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned and few men left’
But this is earthly and the moment of the judgement of the dead has yet to arrive.
Hi t8,
What scripture speaks of in your verse is the season of judgement.
In divine timing it all happens in a moment but there is a sequence of events that follow through.
Hi t8,
And as you see the lake of fire is separate from the fires on earth and not on earth.
Nick, I have never taught that judgement fire is all instantaneous for all men and the universe.
What I am saying is that by the SAME word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment AND destruction of the ungodly.
God’s fire of destruction is for both the heavens and ungodly as you can read clearly in that verse.
You should understand what people are saying first before embarking on a long campaign of debunking something that was never said in the first place. I think this is good advice Nick.
What we should be discussing is your lack of belief in the destruction of the ungodly as it is for the heavens and earth because that is what is outstanding.
hi t8,
It is outstanding?
Jn 3.36
He who believes in the Son has eternal life, but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him
Hi t8,
Scripture is designed to cause those who rely on the understanding of language and logic to stumble.
A certain amount of apparent harmony is possible using these earthly tools.
But inevitable conflicts arise that destroy that mirage.
Theologians have written large tomes expounding their insights but they are all inadequate.
The Word is spiritual and such analysis destroys the inbuilt beauty.
It must be allowed to interpret itself
Hi T8,
You seem to express opinions rather than show truth.
This is your opinion of course. You said ‘seem’.
The irony.
Scripture is designed to cause those who rely on the understanding of language and logic to stumble.
Scripture is written in a language and it is logical too. Yes the natural man cannoit grasp it, but that doesn’t nullify language and logic.
Nick, if you had no language skills, then you couldn’t read the Bible for a start. This is a logical statement too.
That there is one God above all is also logical. It is illogical to state that there are two Gods or three above all that are equal for example.
The latter offends the mind right, and for good reason.
If scripture reveals that there is one God and logic demands it too, then men are without excuse.
No need to throw out the baby in the bathwater.
I think you are mainly arguing about non-issues. That is my opinion. Yes you can accuse me now of having an opinion.
Hi t8,
You misquote scriptures such as Phil 2.
If that a good example for others to follow?
Do you not realise it only takes a few adjustments to what is written for heresy to ensue.
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