Matthew 13:47-50

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  • #801302
     NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,

    Where do the wise find it?

    Not much out there in the world.

    #801316
     t8 
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    Hi T8,
    Lk16 seems to indicate souls after death are aware but we do not know detail.
    No indication in scripture how long souls remain aware in the lake of fire.
    Hades only exists till the judgement.

    Exactly, so the Judgement is the final judgement. And we are clearly taught about the destruction of the wicked, the earth, and the heavens followed by the glorious promise of all things being new, no sin, and no crying. God is awesome.

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     kerwin 
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    Nick,

    The Spirit guides and leads if we let it.

    #801327
     NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,

    Yes.

    If you are born of that Spirit.

    And if you submit to the leading of the Spirit.

    #801334
     kerwin 
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    Nick,

    The Spirit draws you to Jesus in order to be taught so there is at least guidance beforehand. It is stronger after you are born of the Spirit.

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     terraricca 
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    Nick and KW

    sorry but your arguments do not destroy T8 description of what scriptures really says about the fire and destruction of the wicked ,T8 is true in his explanation ,

    he does not use a opinion for he presented scriptures a thing you both do not do ,why is that ? because you have no scriptures to back up your views ,so you are changing the discussion into opinions or grammar what as nothing to do with anything said ,

    why you just do not adjust your understanding beat me

    #801355
     kerwin 
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    terricca,

    I am not in disagreement with t8 essential claim. I am not sure of what some of the details of his claim are.

    #801357
     terraricca 
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    kw

    For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
    Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.
    By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

    Jn 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
    Jn 3:20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
    Jn 3:21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”

    verse 21 says it all ,

    #801362
     kerwin 
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    terraricca,

    It says a lot.

    #801363
     terraricca 
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    kw

    what you think it says ?

    #801364
     kerwin 
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    terraricca,

    It is written blessed are those that hunger and thirst for righteousness. There is no darkness in righteousness.

    #801366
     terraricca 
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    kw

    the scriptures i showed you does not contain your answer why ?

    #801368
     kerwin 
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    terricca,

    I was only speaking about verse 21 of John 3 and it does embody the same idea though from the other side. That is to say cursed are those that do not hunger and thirst for righteousness.

    Jesus speaks of it in another part of John as well when he tells the Jews anyone that sins is a servant of sin and that the Son sets you free indeed. I think it is John 8 around verse 30-40.

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     terraricca 
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    kw

    Jn 3:21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”

    your answer does not bring light to this verse at all ,

    let see if i can help you ;

    what do you think mean ;” whoever lives by the truth ” ?

    and what you think means ;”comes into the light,” ?

    and what you think this mean ;”so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God” ?

    in your own words and scriptures understanding will be fine

    #801379
     kerwin 
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    terrarica,

    Those that live by the new man have come out into the light while those that live by the old human are still in darkness. The new man is created like God in true righteousness and holiness.

    Another way of saying it is to say those that live by the Spirit are in the light while those that live by the flesh are in darkness.

    Those that preach the gospel are the light of the world for whomsoever believes will come into the light but those that love evil will not come into the light.

    #801382
     terraricca 
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    kw

    all what you have said can and is done by wicket people deceivers all over the world in all organized religions

    so you haven’t really answered my questions did you ? NO

    verse 21 tell us a way that no one can copy,cheat on,deceive on and wicket people stay away from ,did you not see this ?

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     t8 
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    Destruction of carnal men is only the first death.
    The second death is the lake of fire.

    If your statement is correct, then it would also be true of the righteous as they are too destroyed according to your version of destruction, for we all die into the grave.

    However in contrast to destruction of the wicked it says in John 3:16 that we will be given eternal life. So there is either eternal life or destruction.

    If you say the destruction is the first death, then you have some serious contradictions to contend with regarding your views on death and then eternal judgement.

    #801394
     NickHassan 
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    Hi T8,

    We all die, who do not live till the coming. The body only dies. The first death cannot destroy the soul.

    But the souls alive in the living Spirit go to their waiting place in the mansions of Christ.

     

    They do not go to the lake of fire, the second death, gehenna.

    Body and soul can be destroyed in the lake of fire .

     

    The saved do not even face judgement as they have passed over from death to life.jn5

     

     

    #801395
     t8 
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    So the righteous face destruction, yes or no?

    And yes, the soul is destructible and this will happen to the wicked only. The righteous soul will be saved.

    #801397
     kerwin 
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    terrarica,

    The vast majority of false teachers do not teach that those that put on the new man created like God in true righteousness and holiness enter into the light because they want those that live by the old man to feel safe even as they live by the old man and do not seek to come into the light. The one that do do not teach how to receive and live by the Spirit or they would not be false teachers.

    Those that do not come into the light do so because for some reason they like living by the flesh.

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