Matthew 13:47-50

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  • #801236
     NickHassan 
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    Hi t8,

    Hell is used 45 times in the kjv only used 15 times in the nasb and there are clarifications written in the notes of the nasb as to which place is referred to.

    It is better not to use the word which causes confusion imo.

    #801237
     NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,

    How relevant is GREEK MYTHOLOGY in the understanding of holy scripture?

    #801239
     kerwin 
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    Nick,

    It is only relevant when parallel concepts exists. The Greek Hades has some similarities to the idea of Hades as written in the NT and Tartarus is claimed to be below Hades though a part of it. Scripture speaks of the lowest Sheol.

    Psalms 86:13

    Darby Bible Translation
    For great is thy loving-kindness toward me, and thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest Sheol.

    #801241
     NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,

    So how does this make the thoughts of the greeks useful to bible students?

    #801244
     NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,

    The worldly opinions of the greeks and Wikipedia should not be the sources we turn to, to understand scripture.

    No wonder you get confused.

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     kerwin 
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    Nick,

    We are not speaking of the opinions of the Greeks but rather the opinions of those that chose to use words from Greek mythology to represent Judeo-Christian ideas.

    I also posted out the similarities between the concept of Tartarus in Greek mythology and the lowest Sheol in the bible. I assume there are differences but they are simply pruned as not fitting the pattern laid out in Scripture.

    #801247
     NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,

    Better to go to the source approved by God.

    the scriptures

    #801248
     NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,

    When Jesus appeared to Saul on the way to Damascus was he still in his torn and battered body?

    When he appeared in Dan 7 to receive the kingdom was he so attired?

    Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom.

    #801250
     NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,

    If scripture uses the word HADES it does not mean that greek myths have any substance.

    #801252
     kerwin 
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    Nick,

    It means that in some ways the concept Hades parallel’s the concept of Sheol. There are also differences and those differences do not apply.

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,

    And this worldly input has some spiritual relevance?

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     t8 
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    Nick without going into the original language we are told that Hell is thrown into the Lake of Fire. Thus the holding place for the dead cannot destroy the soul, but the Second Death is likely where this happens. The wicked will suffer the Second Death.

    Unless you think the reverse, the soul is killed first and then resurrected to suffer being alive in the Second Death. To me that option is one big oxymoron.

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi t8,

    Death and Hades according to the nasb are emptied and thrown into the lake of fire.

    So the body has died but the souls remain in the waiting places.

    The second death awaits those not found in the book of life at the final judgement

    Salvation of our souls is the plan of God

     

    #801266
     t8 
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    Hi T8,

    You seem to express opinions rather than show truth.

    So this is my opinion? lol:

    Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

    This is scripture Nick, not my opinion. I didn’t write it.

    So where does destruction of the wicked take place? Hades or the lake of fire?

    #801267
     t8 
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    Hi t8,
    Death and Hades according to the nasb are emptied and thrown into the lake of fire.
    So the body has died but the souls remain in the waiting places.
    The second death awaits those not found in the book of life at the final judgement
    Salvation of our souls is the plan of God

    Your view from what I can gather is the dead are not awake, and when they are judged and placed into the Lake of Fire they are awake/alive for all eternity. I think the opposite. Destruction happens at the Second Death. In Hades there is punishment for the wicked.

    #801269
     NickHassan 
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    Hi T8,

    Lk16 seems to indicate souls after death are aware but we do not know detail.

    No indication in scripture how long souls remain aware in the lake of fire.

     

    Hades only exists till the judgement.

    #801275
     kerwin 
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    Nick,

    If our wise then you can figure out why writers chose to use the words they did.

    #801295
     NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,

    Why not let scripture teach?

    #801296
     NickHassan 
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    hi KW,

    Scripture is the wisdom of God.

    men imagine they are wise

    #801301
     kerwin 
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    Nick,

    I do but you would rather hear a multitude of words without understanding than a few with. The wise seek understanding.

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