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t8,
It is a good looking landscape shot but it is buried under all these post. Why don’t post it in this thread again?
Hi Ed,
The Spirit of anointing was in the beginning with our God.
Nothing was created without the Spirit of anointing.
That Spirit was in the desert with the Israelites.
That Spirit was also in the prophets.
That Spirit made Jesus the Christ.
The testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of prophecy
Yes Nick, I already know what you believe. But you are
not addressing Micah 5:2, which clearly disproves your theory.Your belief is the spirit of Christ came from everlasting to JORDAN,
———————-but that is NOT what Micah 5:2 states———————–
Micah 5:2 states the spirit of Christ came from everlasting to BETHLEHEM.This verse alone proves your assumption erroneous. The spirit of Christ is NOT God’s HolySpirit.
God’s HolySpirit is the father to Christ’s: (references: Matt.1:18, Matt.1:20, Luke 1:35 & Hebrews 12:9)So what do you do about this? It looks to me like you are going to pretend that Micah 5:2 is worded incorrectly.
And why is that??? Because you also believe Luke 2:11, Matt.1:16 and Matt.2:3 are all worded incorrectly as well.So to reiterate my point: if the spirit of Christ came from everlasting to BETHLEHEM (as Micah 5:2 clearly states),
then the spirit of Christ cannot cannot cannot be God’s HolySpirit, but instead is the Spirit of the Son of GOD!John 4:23 states “WE” will come to them and make “OUR” abode with them. And in Roman 8:9 the “WE” and “OUR”
are clearly defined! (I have pointed this out to you more than once, but you just shrug it off)
I think T8 is with me on this. Are you T8? Is this what you believe as well?
I remember you once told me your beliefs were similar to mine._______________
Your brother
in Christ
Ed JHi Nick,
Did you even read my post?
Because you have completely ignored my point,
and instead you just reiterate YOUR BELIEF.
Please man up and address my point._______________
God bless
Ed JYes Edj, I believe you are right regarding the spirit of Christ as NOT being God’s Holy Spirit, rather the Spirit of the Father, and the Father is the father of all spirits & sons,.
As for Micah 5:2, yes the prophesied one here has origins from ancient times. Some people say Jesus origin was but 2000 or so years ago, which was not ancient when these things happened 2000 years ago. But we know that Jesus Christ is in the glory he had with the Father before the world. That is ancient indeed. So ancient in fact that God made the universe through his son. I cannot understand why so many study scripture but reject these.
Nick goes on about the flesh means nothing, thus Jesus the man was not really anything special till the anointing at Jordan. But he doesn’t draw Jesus origin back to the Word that was with God, the one that became flesh. Unfortunately Jesus is just a man to him and it is written, cursed is he who trusts in man. But we should trust in Jesus, because he is the Christ and the son of the living God, not because he was a man.
Nick has been teaching his doctrine for a while and accusing those who question him as not having the spirit. He then tells everyone to be born again, when he forgot that those who are born again love and do not dishonor others.
I hope that Nick changes for his sake. I don’t really mind that much when people accuse me of things I am not. So long as I am secure in God, yes there will always be people critical of myself and others. I accept that. But for me, my relationship with God and passion for truth, will not let others easily sway me.
However, if I have erred and someone can point out where using scripture, then it may be uncomfortable, but ultimately I hope that I would be thankful to such a person, for helping me out. I suppose that even if they were nasty to me it would still be worth knowing.
But he doesn’t draw Jesus origin back to the Word that was with God, the one that became flesh.
Hi T8,
Neither do I. And one reasons is because of what Heb 7:28 says.
For the law maketh men high priests,
but “The Word” maketh the son, who is
consecrated for evermore” (Hebrews 7:28)“The Son”, in this verse, is obviously “Christ”.
– and –
“The Word” maketh the son,So unless you believe ‘Christ maketh himself’ – “The Word” cannot be Christ!
And it’s too bad, like Micah 5:2 is for Nick, that you cannot see this._______________
God bless
Ed JSo unless you believe ‘Christ maketh himself’ – “The Word” cannot be Christ!
Hi T8,
And there is another verse that states this point.
Framed here means fashioned (as in formed or made).“(a)Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed (made) by “The Word” of God,
(b)so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.” (Hebrews 11:3)Part “b” is saying that because Christ was seen,
things which were made did not come from him._______________
God bless
Ed JHi Ed,
Prophecy does not separate The Spirit of Christ from the man Jesus.
Jesus Christ is the prophesied messiah, Lord and King..
Without Jesus the prophecy could not come true.
What God has joined together let no man put asunder.
Do not deny the anointing at the Jordan.
Hi T8,
Neither do I. And one reasons is because of what Heb 7:28 says.
For the law maketh men high priests,
but “The Word” maketh the son, who is
consecrated for evermore” (Hebrews 7:28)Edj, when you can understand the difference between an attribute and a person, then you will be able to distinguish truth from the truth, logos, from the logos, and life from the life.
The next generation of believers understood this clearly as they make many references to the difference between the attribute and the person. The logos in John 1:1 is not just logos by the way, it is three times called THE logos and that logos was WITH God.
Here is what others Pre-nicene writers who were closer than anyone after to that first generation had to say:
Justin Martyr (ca. 150 A.D)
For not only among the Greeks did the Word prevail to condemn these things through Socrates, but also among the barbarians were they condemned by the Word Himself, who took shape, and became man, and was called Jesus Christ, and in obedience to him, we not only deny that those who did such things as these are gods, but assert that they are wicked and ungodly demons, whose actions will not bear comparison with those even of men desirous of virtue. And that you will not succeed is declared by the Word, than whom, after God who begat him, we know there is no ruler more kingly and righteous.Tatian (165 A.D)
And by His simple will the Word sprang forth, and the Word, not coming forth in vain, became the firstbegotten work of the Father . Him [the Word] we know to be the Beginning of the world. But He came into being by participation, not by cutting off, for what is cut off is separated from the original substance, but that which comes by participation, making its choice of function, does not render him deficient from whom it is taken. For just as from one torch many fires are lighted, but the light of the first torch is not lessened by the kindling of many torches, so the Word, coming forth from the Word-Power of the Father, has not divested of the Word-Power Him who begat Him.Theophilus of Antioch (ca. 175 A.D)
And He is without beginning, since He is unbegotten; and He is unchangeable, because He is immortal. And he is called God… He is Lord, because He rules over the universe, Father, because He is before all things, Fashioner and Maker, because He is Creator and Maker of the cosmos, the Highest, because of His being above all, and Almighty, because He Himself rules and embraces all.God, then, having His own Word internal within His own bosom, begat him, emitting him along with His own wisdom before all things. He had this Word as a helper in the things that were created by Him, and by him He made all things. He [the Word] is called “the Beginning” [arche],1 because he rules, and is Lord of all things fashioned by him.
Whether you agree with the stance on the Word as being begotten or not, the truth remains, there are persons and attributes called the same thing and many today make the error in seeing all as an attribute. But Jesus Christ was right when he said he was THE truth. And such a declaration takes nothing away from the fact that truth is in God as an integral part of his character. If we understand that God begats, then he will begat that which is integral and part of him. This is why we are named after God’s own attributes. Look at the meaning of many names and you will see they mean, ‘beloved’, ‘truth’, ‘love’, ‘grace’ etc. Some names are exactly the word for the attribute such as Grace. Is there a difference between Grace and grace? Yes, one is a person and the other an attribute. And know this, when he comes he is called the Word of God because he is the Word of God.
He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God.
Hi t8,
The experts you quote were not apostles or men born of the Spirit.
The false church was led into deception by such as these.
But you are true and everyone else not right?
Nick they have a voice, and you do too.
From what I can tell, they do not deny that Jesus Christ was the Word become flesh. They didn’t deny that he was born as Jesus Christ and the Lord.
If I quote them and it is a travesty, they how much more would it be if I quoted you?
They make way more sense than you IMO because you have blatantly and clearly disregard a number of scriptures and say they have a hidden meaning that doesn’t mean what it says. Reminds me of the Devil who said, “You will not die, instead you will become like God…”.
How about we also make this topic about the subject in the title and opening post. i.e., Matthew 13:47-50
We can discuss the topic of Jesus Christ being born in Bethlehem or born at the Jordan in a more appropriate topic such as is Jesus the Logos or an even more appropriate one than that.
I will quote the opening post again in the hope we can keep this topic on track.
Thank you in advance for your cooperation.
“Once again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was let down into the lake and caught all kinds of fish. When it was full, the fishermen pulled it up on the shore. Then they sat down and collected the good fish in baskets, but threw the bad away. This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Lake Wakatipu, Queenstown, New Zealand.Hi,
So to obey the gospel -repent , believe and be baptised in water and the Spirit – is to be one of the few fish from the lake that is caught in the net. But God demands we walk in the Spirit and by seeking grace become like the master.
A sorting is done and some never make it to the wedding table.
Hi T8,
These men you quote have no legacy of anointed power.
But you feel that following them is a good idea?
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