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  • #12736
    kenrch
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2006,02:08)
    What was the question?


    Nevermind Nicky, nevermind.

    #12737
    malcolm ferris
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    Quote (kenrch @ April 14 2006,03:49)
    Luk 16:29 But Abraham saith, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

    Where are the Ten Commandments? Moses' and the prophets what did the prophets prophecy?

    Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are my words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must needs be fulfilled, which are written in the law of Moses, and the prophets, and the psalms, concerning me.


    Malachi 4:4

    #12738
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Yes Malcolm,
    An inclusive verse.

    #12759
    kenrch
    Participant

    Quote (malcolm ferris @ April 15 2006,05:29)

    Quote (kenrch @ April 14 2006,03:49)
    Luk 16:29  But Abraham saith, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

    Where are the Ten Commandments?   Moses' and the prophets what did the prophets prophecy?

    Luk 24:44  And he said unto them, These are my words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must needs be fulfilled, which are written in the law of Moses, and the prophets, and the psalms, concerning me.


    Malachi 4:4


    Mal 4:4
    STATUES AND ORDINANCES Where are statues and ordinces in the Law that God wrote?
    (ALT)

    (ASV) Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, even statutes and ordinances.

    (BBE) Keep in mind the law of Moses, my servant, which I gave him in Horeb for all Israel, even the rules and the decisions.

    (ESV) “Remember the law of my servant Moses, the statutes and rules that I commanded him at Horeb for all Israel.

    (GW) “Remember the teachings of my servant Moses, the rules and regulations that I gave to him at Horeb for all Israel.

    (HCSB) “Remember the instruction of Moses My servant, the statutes and ordinances I commanded him at Horeb for all Israel.

    (ISV)

    (KJV+) Remember2142 ye the law8451 of Moses4872 my servant,5650 which834 I commanded unto6680 him in Horeb2722 for5921 all3605 Israel,3478 with the statutes2706 and judgments.4941

    (KJV-1611) Remember yee the Law of Moses my seruant, which I commanded vnto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the Statutes and iudgements.

    (KJVA) Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.

    (WEB) “Remember the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded to him in Horeb for all Israel, even statutes and ordinances.

    #12767
    kenrch
    Participant

    Quote (david @ Mar. 31 2006,22:44)
    (Galatians 3:13; Ephesians 2:15; Colossians 2:13, 14, 16)


    WHICH LAW DAVID?

    Gal 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us; for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

    Deu 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it by the side of the ark of the covenant of Jehovah your God, that it may be there for a WITNESS AGAINST THEE.

    Eph 2:15 having abolished in the flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; that he might create in himself of the two one new man, so making peace;

    …..commandments contained in ordinances..

    Col 2:13 And you, being dead through your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, you, I say, did he make alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses;

    uncircumcision of your flesh

    Col 2:14 having blotted out the bond written in ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us: and he hath taken it out that way, nailing it to the cross;

    “..written in ordinances THAT WAS AGAINST US.”
    Deu 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it by the side of the ark of the covenant of Jehovah your God, that it may be there for a WITNESS AGAINST THEE.

    Col 2:16 Therefore, stop letting anyone judge you* in eating or in drinking or with regard to a feast or of a new moon [festival] or of Sabbaths,

    Where in the Law that Jehovah wrote does it say anything about “… eating or in drinking or with regard to a feast or of a new moon [festival] or of Sabbaths,

    This is really EASY! If you have the sword (Word) then use it. Every scripture anyone points out I have CLEARLY shown to be speaking about the “law that Moses wrote” Deu. 31:9, 26. Speaking of which I have to ask Why would Jehovah have Moses write any law? Did Jehovah get writers cramp? Why did He write the Ten in stone? Was He just showing off? May be Moses just needed something to do. Why was the law that Jehvoah gave to Moses to write placed in the side of the ark? And why was it a witness against us?

    Gal 3:19 What then is the law? It was ADDED BECAUSE OF TRANSGRESSIONS, till the seed should come to whom the promise hath been made; and it was ordained through angels by the hand of a mediator.

    What Law did they transgress? ….ummm? The law that was added was going to be in force till, What?

    THE TRUTH STANDS!

    #12772
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi kenrch,
    You have not addressed the other verses instead falling back on personal attacks.

    #12782
    Ramblinrose
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 16 2006,06:46)
    Hi kenrch,
    You have not addressed the other verses instead falling back on personal attacks.


    I do believe there is something in your eye Nick. (Luke 6:41-42)

    #12783
    NickHassan
    Participant

    judge not.

    #12792
    Scripture Seeker
    Participant

    Hi Kenrch,

    We are in grace and NOT under law!

    2Co 5:17  If then any be in Christ a new creature, the old things are passed away. BEHOLD ALL THINGS ARE MADE NEW.

    What law do we break when we break the Ten Commandments?
    It is the Law of Love? The greatest fruit of the spirit.

    How do we know if someone is Jesus disciple? Is it by the Ten Commandments or by there Love!

    Joh 13:35  By this shall all men KNOW THAT YOU ARE MY DISCIPLES, IF YOU HAVE LOVE ONE FOR ANOTHER.

    The Ten Commandments are a good trainer/schoolmaster.

    Gal 3:24  Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
    Gal 3:25  But after that faith is come, WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER A SCHOOLMASTER.

    The new law of Love is how we will all be judged not the Ten Commandments. If we break the Ten Commandments we break his law of love, God is Love!
    We can even keep the Ten Commandments but break the law of love in our heart.

    Heb 8:13  In that he saith, A NEW COVENANT, he hath made the FIRST OLD. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is READY TO VANISH AWAY.

    Yes it was done away because it was fulfilled by the new law.

    Rom 13:8  OWE NO MAN ANY THING, BUT TO LOVE ONE ANOTHER: for he that LOVETH ANOTHER HATH FULFILLED THE LAW.

    Can it get any clearer?

    Rom 13:9  For: Thou shalt not commit adultery: Thou shalt not kill: Thou shalt not steal: Thou shalt not bear false witness: Thou shalt not covet. And if there be any other commandment, it is comprised in this word: THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF.

    Rom 13:10  LOVE WORKETH NO ILL TO HIS NEIGHBOUR: THEREFORE LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW.

    YES the word of God says that love is the fulfilling of the law. The word is truth!

    Remember your subject Matthew 5:19

    Mat 5:17  Do not think that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets. I am not come to destroy, BUT TO FULFIL.
    What did Romans 13:10 say fulfilled the law?

    If this wasn’t enough! Gods word says NOT IN TABLES OF STONE,

    WAS THERE ANOTHER LAW THAT WAS WRITTEN IN STONE?

    If so please show me!

    2Co 3:3  Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; NOT IN TABLES OF STONE, BUT IN FLESHY TABLES OF THE HEART.

    THE WORD IS TRUTH!

    2Co 3:6  Who also hath made us able ministers of the NEW TESTAMENT; not of the letter, but of the spirit: FOR THE LETTER KILLETH, but the spirit giveth life.

    2Co 3:7  But if THE MINISTRATION OF DEATH, WRITTEN AND ENGRAVED IN STONES, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory WAS TO BE DONE AWAY:

    These are VERY harsh words about the OLD LAW.

    Why because it had a few problems, let’s look at some of the problems that Gods Word reveals! Only just a few verses after Matthew 5:19!

    Mat 5:27  YE HAVE HEARD THAT IT WAS SAID BY THEM OF OLD TIME, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

    Love fulfills the old law
    Mat 5:28  BUT I SAY UNTO YOU, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

    Mat 5:43  Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, AND HATE THINE ENEMY.

    LOVE AGAIN FULFILLS THE OLD LAW.

    Mat 5:44  BUT I SAY UNTO YOU, LOVE YOUR ENEMIES, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

    This is the “Key Verse” that shows the real problems with the old law!

    Mat 5:21  YE HAVE HEARD THAT IT WAS SAID BY THEM OF OLD TIME, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

    YET AGAIN! But I say unto you….Looks like the old Law is being fulfilled.

    Mat 5:22  BUT I SAY UNTO YOU, THAT WHOSOEVER IS ANGRY WITH HIS BROTHER WITHOUT A CAUSE SHALL BE IN DANGER OF THE JUDGMENT: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, SHALL BE IN DANGER OF HELL FIRE.

    Even keeping the Ten Commandments you can be in DANGER of hell fire.
    This makes the verse below make sense!
    2Co 3:7  But if THE MINISTRATION OF DEATH, WRITTEN AND ENGRAVED IN STONES….[ Because you can still break the NEW law of Love].

    What law was engraved in stones 2Co 3:3 and 2Co 3:7 ?

    What were the commandments given to us? How many where there?

    Mat 22:37  JESUS SAID UNTO HIM, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
    Mat 22:38  This is the first and great commandment.
    Mat 22:39  And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
    Mat 22:40  On these two commandments HANG ALL THE LAW and the prophets.

    Should we not believe Jesus?

    As Seeking Truth had previously posted!

    We are commanded to love our neighbor and which is easier, to not murder your neighbor, or to love him even if he's unlovable? I'm not looking for a way around the commandments I believe we've been called to adhere to the spirit of the law not the letter.

    Amen!

    Please note Kenrch these scriptures are only showing the Law of Love fulfilling the Ten Commandments. There are many many scriptures that show the power of love and how we ALL will be judged accordingly to our LOVE from grace! NOT just faith alone as nearly every man made Protestant Church proclaims.

    God Bless

    #12793
    NickHassan
    Participant

    A good post. Thank you.

    #12802
    kenrch
    Participant

    Quote (Scripture Seeker @ April 16 2006,13:22)
    Hi Kenrch,

    We are in grace and NOT under law!

    2Co 5:17  If then any be in Christ a new creature, the old things are passed away. BEHOLD ALL THINGS ARE MADE NEW.

    What law do we break when we break the Ten Commandments?
    It is the Law of Love? The greatest fruit of the spirit.

    How do we know if someone is Jesus disciple? Is it by the Ten Commandments or by there Love!

    Joh 13:35  By this shall all men KNOW THAT YOU ARE MY DISCIPLES, IF YOU HAVE LOVE ONE FOR ANOTHER.

    The Ten Commandments are a good trainer/schoolmaster.

    Gal 3:24  Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
    Gal 3:25  But after that faith is come, WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER A SCHOOLMASTER.

    The new law of Love is how we will all be judged not the Ten Commandments. If we break the Ten Commandments we break his law of love, God is Love!
    We can even keep the Ten Commandments but break the law of love in our heart.

    Heb 8:13  In that he saith, A NEW COVENANT, he hath made the FIRST OLD. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is READY TO VANISH AWAY.

    Yes it was done away because it was fulfilled by the new law.

    Rom 13:8  OWE NO MAN ANY THING, BUT TO LOVE ONE ANOTHER: for he that LOVETH ANOTHER HATH FULFILLED THE LAW.

    Can it get any clearer?

    Rom 13:9  For: Thou shalt not commit adultery: Thou shalt not kill: Thou shalt not steal: Thou shalt not bear false witness: Thou shalt not covet. And if there be any other commandment, it is comprised in this word: THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF.

    Rom 13:10  LOVE WORKETH NO ILL TO HIS NEIGHBOUR: THEREFORE LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW.

    YES the word of God says that love is the fulfilling of the law. The word is truth!

    Remember your subject Matthew 5:19

    Mat 5:17  Do not think that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets. I am not come to destroy, BUT TO FULFIL.
    What did Romans 13:10 say fulfilled the law?

    If this wasn’t enough! Gods word says NOT IN TABLES OF STONE,

    WAS THERE ANOTHER LAW THAT WAS WRITTEN IN STONE?

    If so please show me!

    2Co 3:3  Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; NOT IN TABLES OF STONE, BUT IN FLESHY TABLES OF THE HEART.

    THE WORD IS TRUTH!

    2Co 3:6  Who also hath made us able ministers of the NEW TESTAMENT; not of the letter, but of the spirit: FOR THE LETTER KILLETH, but the spirit giveth life.

    2Co 3:7  But if THE MINISTRATION OF DEATH, WRITTEN AND ENGRAVED IN STONES, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory WAS TO BE DONE AWAY:

    These are VERY harsh words about the OLD LAW.

    Why because it had a few problems, let’s look at some of the problems that Gods Word reveals! Only just a few verses after Matthew 5:19!

    Mat 5:27  YE HAVE HEARD THAT IT WAS SAID BY THEM OF OLD TIME, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

    Love fulfills the old law
    Mat 5:28  BUT I SAY UNTO YOU, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

    Mat 5:43  Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, AND HATE THINE ENEMY.

    LOVE AGAIN FULFILLS THE OLD LAW.

    Mat 5:44  BUT I SAY UNTO YOU, LOVE YOUR ENEMIES, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

    This is the “Key Verse” that shows the real problems with the old law!

    Mat 5:21  YE HAVE HEARD THAT IT WAS SAID BY THEM OF OLD TIME, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

    YET AGAIN! But I say unto you….Looks like the old Law is being fulfilled.

    Mat 5:22  BUT I SAY UNTO YOU, THAT WHOSOEVER IS ANGRY WITH HIS BROTHER WITHOUT A CAUSE SHALL BE IN DANGER OF THE JUDGMENT: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, SHALL BE IN DANGER OF HELL FIRE.

    Even keeping the Ten Commandments you can be in DANGER of hell fire.
    This makes the verse below make sense!
    2Co 3:7  But if THE MINISTRATION OF DEATH, WRITTEN AND ENGRAVED IN STONES….[ Because you can still break the NEW law of Love].

    What law was engraved in stones 2Co 3:3 and 2Co 3:7 ?

    What were the commandments given to us? How many where there?

    Mat 22:37  JESUS SAID UNTO HIM, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
    Mat 22:38  This is the first and great commandment.
    Mat 22:39  And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
    Mat 22:40  On these two commandments HANG ALL THE LAW and the prophets.

    Should we not believe Jesus?

    As Seeking Truth had previously posted!

    We are commanded to love our neighbor and which is easier, to not murder your neighbor, or to love him even if he's unlovable? I'm not looking for a way around the commandments I believe we've been called to adhere to the spirit of the law not the letter.

    Amen!

    Please note Kenrch these scriptures are only showing the Law of Love fulfilling the Ten Commandments. There are many many scriptures that show the power of love and how we ALL will be judged accordingly to our LOVE from grace! NOT just faith alone as nearly every man made Protestant Church proclaims.

    God Bless


    Hey S. S.,

    Joh 14:15 If ye love me, ye will keep my commandments.

    If you love Jehovah you will keep His commandments.

    The first four Commandments tell what you should WANT to do If you love Jehovah.

    The last six tell us what we would do if you love your neighbor

    Grace is for the forgivness of sin (trangression of the Law) Therefore if the Ten Commandments were done away with there would be no sin and no need for GRACE. But you say you as I are under grace therefore you should keep the Commandments. If or when I sin (do you sin?) I use the sacrifice of Jesus to pay for my sin, again What is sin?

    #12803
    kenrch
    Participant

    S S,

    The Law is written on our heart! But you still sin, don't you?

    How can you sin if there is no law to break which is the definition of sin. Do you sin? If you sin then you break the Law that you say were done away with.

    Again I remind you that Paul's writing are hard to understand (2 Peter 3:16).

    Gen 2:1 Heaven and earth and everything in them were finished.
    Gen 2:2 By the seventh day God had finished work he had been doing. On the seventh day he stopped the work he had been doing.
    Gen 2:3 Then God blessed the seventh day and set it apart as holy, because on that day he stopped all his work of creation.
    Gen 2:4 This is the account of heaven and earth when they were created, at the time when the LORD God made earth and heaven.
    God created six days to which He would create. He created the seventh day to rest. Jehovah, not His creation, blessed the seventh day made it Holy. Tell me you who say you seek the truth does the clay tell the potter which day to bless and keep Holy.
    It was the very church that taught the lies of the Trinity, of Easter, of Christmas, statues in their buildings, praying to dead people who CHANGED the law Dan 7:25 And he shall speak words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High; and he shall think to CHANGE THE TIMES AND THE LAW; and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and half a time.
    When the MOST HOLY FATHER changed the forth commandment he changed the time “from the seventh to the first day that simple movement also changed the Law. The Catholic Church also changed the number of the Sabbath commandment from the forth to the third.
    IF the apostles taught the first day (which they did not) then would you believe the creation or the creator?
    The apostles were not about to change what the Father created, sanctified, and made holy. Where would one get such power but from the adversary the god of this world (2Cor4:4).
    Mar 7:7 But in vain do they worship me, Teaching as their doctrines the precepts of men.
    Mar 7:8 Ye leave the commandment of God, and hold fast the tradition of men.
    Jehovah wrote the Ten in stone then in blood and still you who search truth are blind!
    Tell me if the Most Holy Father would change the first commandment to “worship only the Pope” would you worship the Pope (as you do now) by keeping the very commandment HE changed.
    Some say if you keep the Sabbath then you dishonor Jesus. When it was Jesus who spoke the Ten Commandments and said if you want to enter into life keep the Commandments.
    Mat 19:16 And behold, one came to him and said, Teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
    Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why askest thou me concerning that which is good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments.
    Mat 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
    Mat 19:19 Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
    Some say love fulfills the Law this is true but what kind of love is it if you give the person you love a stone when he/she ask for bread. Therefore Jesus said:
    Joh 14:15 If ye love me, ye will keep my commandments. You say: I love the Lord! My question is which lord are you speaking of? If you love Jesus you will keep His Commandments.
    Jesus said the Sabbath was made for MAN not Man for the Sabbath. Jesus said this to straighten out the Pharisees not do away with His forth Commandment!
    All the daughters of the harlot keep Sunday. The Catholic clergy brag on this and they should! They have blinded the truth and kept YOU as her child!
    This is what keeps you from the Lake of fire: Act 2:21 And it shall be, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. “WE ARE NOT SAVED BY WORKS THAT ANYONE SHOULD BOAST”. BUT WE ARE REWARDED! (Rev. 20:12; Matt. 5:12; 1Cor.3:8,14)
    God's kingdom is a government. What do you want to be in His government? ( Matt. 5:19 )

    There is no doubt that if you keep the Sabbath you WILL be labled by the world.

    Rom 5:1 Being therefore justified by FAITH, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ;
    Rom 5:2 through whom also we have had our access by faith into this grace wherein we stand; and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
    Rom 5:3 And not only so, but we also rejoice in our tribulations: knowing that tribulation worketh stedfastness;
    Rom 5:4 and stedfastness, approvedness; and approvedness, hope:
    Rom 5:5 and hope putteth not to shame; because the love of God hath been shed abroad in our hearts through the Holy Spirit which was given unto us.

    You are still my brother and I love you! That's why I do what I do!

    Pease,

    kenrch

    #12827
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi kenrch,
    It was Jesus who said
    “If you love me you will keep my commandments”

    They are not exactly the same as the ten commandments of God of course.

    #12940
    kenrch
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 18 2006,00:39)
    Hi kenrch,
    It was Jesus who said
    “If you love me you will keep my commandments”

    They are not exactly the same as the ten commandments of God of course.


    Wasn't Jesus the spokes person for Jehovah in the old testament when the Ten Commandments were written. But if you are saying that Jesus said this is my new commandment that you love one another. I believe that's in the Ten Commandments. Wasn't it John who said I give you not a new commandment but a old one from the beginning (did I say that right ??? ).

    Anyway what ever you think is as always between you and God.

    #12941
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi kenrch,
    We are talking about truth here. That is not a matter of opinion surely?
    Where was Jesus a spokesperson in the OT?
    “That rock was Christ” in 1Cor 10 4 refers to the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Christ which inspired the prophets [1Peter 1.10], all the OT and the NT

    #12956
    kenrch
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 26 2006,06:44)
    Hi kenrch,
    We are talking about truth here. That is not a matter of opinion surely?
    Where was Jesus a spokesperson in the OT?
    “That rock was Christ” in 1Cor 10 4 refers to the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Christ which inspired the prophets [1Peter 1.10], all the OT and the NT


    Was it the Word that spoke to Moses?
    What was Jesus' law?
    I'm under grace. If I break the law (sin) then I'm forgiven.
    You can't get away from the truth because the word is truth.
    The word says that sin is breaking the law (1 John 3:4;)
    Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven.
    Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works?

    Mat 7:23

    (ALT) “And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you*; be departing from Me, the ones practicing lawlessness!'

    (ASV) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    (BBE) And then will I say to them, I never had knowledge of you: go from me, you workers of evil.

    (ESV) And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.'

    (GW) Then I will tell them publicly, 'I've never known you. Get away from me, you evil people.'

    (HCSB) Then I will announce to them, 'I never knew you! Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!'

    (ISV) Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Get away from me, you evildoers!'”

    (KJV+) And2532 then5119 will I profess3670 unto them,846 I never3763 knew1097 you:5209 depart672 from575 me,1700 ye that work2038 iniquity.458

    (KJV-1611) And then wil I professe vnto them, I neuer knew you: Depart from me, ye that worke iniquity.

    (KJVA) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    (MRC) “And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who are working lawlessness.'

    (Murdock) And then will I declare to them; I never knew you. Depart from me, ye doers of evil.

    (WEB) Then I will tell them, 'I never knew you. Depart from me, you who work iniquity.'

    Here we have people who are working miracles! I would think that they would have the H. S. wouldn't you?
    But because they were law breakers Jesus will say He never knew them.
    What law were they breaking?
    Wait! I know they were Jews! Only Jews sin! Nick doesn't sin! How can he the Ten Commandments were done away
    for Gentiles. Only Jews sin :D

    #12960
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi kenrch,
    It is possible to use the name of Jesus without authority as the sons of Sceva did.
    There are false signs too as Satan has devised false deceptions for all the good things of God.
    It is possible to be baptised without repentance as Simon magus was in Acts.
    It is possible to be born of the Spirit before you are baptised as happened with Cornelius and his friends.

    That is why Peter ensured they were also baptised in water lest they do works of power outside of Christ's body and his authority.

    Unsaved Gentiles were worse off than Jews.
    Being outside the Law they had, and still have, no hope bar the mercy of God.

    #12975
    malcolm ferris
    Participant

    Further to that
    Jannes and Jambres were able to impersonate most of the acts of God done through Moses.
    Balaam was a false prophet, prohecy wise what he said under inspiration from God is still coming to pass, but he taught Israel false doctrine.
    In Matthew 24 it speaks of many false annointed ones – annointed with the genuine annointing of God yet teaching falsehoods.
    In Jesus day he said to the religious leaders :

    LUKE 11:19
    And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your sons cast them out? therefore shall they be your judges.

    Apparently their sons were doing miraculous works also, yet how many of them accepted him as the Messiah? Most of them I would dare to guess were among the crowd that cried out “let his blood be on our hands”

    #12976
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Malcolm,
    And what does it say of those of the antichrist in 1 Jn ?
    “They came from among us”

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    malcolm ferris
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    Yes and Paul was also aware that after his death men were going to rise up from amongst the brethren to draw away disciples to themselves. He tells us that Satan masquerades as an angel of ligth so it is little surprise if his ministers do the same. Aslo Jesus warned us they would be many not few.

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