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Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
What does the Lord want Us to Do? Which commandment or what commandment?
Teach not to keep this commanmdment and be the least.
Teach to keep the commandment and be great in the kingdom of God.
Am I not interperting this scripture correctly?
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Does that mean that eveyone who is teaching that Sunday is the Sabbath, shall be least in the kingdom of heaven, for Jesus taught, as did Paul, on the Sabbath Day in the synagogue. (Saturday)?
Hi,
Jesus addressed several audiences
Individuals
Jewish people
Gentiles
All men
and what he said has to be understood according to the specific audience he was speaking with.So we are not expected to go and present ourselves to the priests as that was an individual instruction.
Likewise we are not under the Old Law and never have been so all questions relating to that Law relate to the Jewish people
and what he said has to be understood according to the specific audience he was speaking with.
Where did you get this? You mean that the bible is just for Jews?To one audience he said one thing and an other He said something else? What were the gifts of tongues for?
Hi Kenrch,
Commonsense really.
The Jewish man who asked about the Law in Matt 19 16[“What good thing shall I do to obtain eternal life?”] got the answer that question deserved. Only when he persisted did Jesus also tell him about the new covenant..”Come follow me”[That does not rely on what we do but what Christ has done]
Many did not ask the right questions.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 31 2006,01:57) Hi Kenrch,
Commonsense really.
The Jewish man who asked about the Law in Matt 19 16[“What good thing shall I do to obtain eternal life?”] got the answer that question deserved. Only when he persisted did Jesus also tell him about the new covenant..”Come follow me”[That does not rely on what we do but what Christ has done]
Many did not ask the right questions.
So you don't have an answer to the Question of what commandment Jesus was speaking of.He couldn't be talking of this law cause if He was then He would be contradicting Himself. Luke 24:44 is the law He fulfilled. He said so.
Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are my words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must needs be fulfilled, which are written in the law of Moses, and the prophets, and the psalms, concerning me.Jesus did not fulfill everything YET!
1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all his enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be abolished is death.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished.So what commandment was Jesus speaking of? Do you think you can answer without adding to scripture.
Can anyone answer the questions? I want truth. Not what anyone thinks the bible is wrong because of self belief.
Quote (kenrch @ Mar. 30 2006,23:34) Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. What does the Lord want Us to Do? Which commandment or what commandment?
Teach not to keep this commanmdment and be the least.
Teach to keep the commandment and be great in the kingdom of God.
Am I not interperting this scripture correctly?
Hi kenrch,
All of the Law, including the ten commandments, still exists.We are not Israelites and it has never applied directly to us. As gentiles we were lost outside of this covenant and these promises.
Christ did not come to take them away but to completely fulfill them and they remain as a memorial to all of the sin that God abhors.
No one is to deny them or teach they no longer exist- in relation to those to whom they applied-The Israelites.
Nick, I gotta say that you have lost me. The Bible says not to teach anyone to break even a tad of the ten commandments, “I did not come to abolish the law…therefore, I still lost you?
Hi Sandra,
How can anyone advise you to deny or break commandments if they were never applicable to you? It is a nonsequitor.Yes, as Nick said, actually, the vast majority of humankind never were under the Law, as the psalmist explained:
“[Jehovah] is telling his word to Jacob, his regulations and his judicial decisions to Israel. He has not done that way to any other nation; and as for his judicial decisions, they have not known them.” (Psalm 147:19, 20)
When God established the new covenant on the basis of Jesus’ sacrifice, even the nation of Israel was no longer under obligation to obey the Law. (Galatians 3:13; Ephesians 2:15; Colossians 2:13, 14, 16)
Hi david,
Gal 3.13
” Christ redeemed US from the curse of the Law..”
Eph 2.14
“For he himself is OUR peace, who made both groups into one and broke doewn the barrier of the dividing wall… so that he might make the two into one..”
Coll 2.12f
“He made YOU alive together with him having cancelled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which WAS hostile to us, and he has taken it out of the way having nailed it to the cross..”All of these books of Paul's are written only to the saved and relate only to the saved if you will check the introductions. So what it says about the relationship between the Law and the saved Jews in Christ applies only to them.
The Law itself remains. Not a jot or title has been removed. Those who are yet Jews and not safe in Christ are still surely under it's power.
Hi sandra,
Who is teaching you to break the ten commandments?They are a wonderful reflection of God's view of sin so they are valuable to even us who are not under that Law but under the Law of Christ.I really don't expect everyone or may be none to understand this. To be the greatest their has to be the least. Their are undoubtly more least that great. Wouldn't you say? Of course I would that all be kings and priest. But everyone can't.
The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand! The word Kingdom means what David?
These are the words of my savior and Lord and not anyone on this forum
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
**Notice that in this scripture Jesus says that He came to fulfill the law.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
** Has heaven and earth passed away? Has everything been fulfilled? 1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. Has death been done away with? Clearly Jesus is speaking when He will turn everything over to the Father. That's when there will be a New Heaven and Earth.
**Read when Heaven and Earth will pass away. It wasn't in the past and it sure isn't now!
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. LOOK AT MATT. 5:18. Does anyone see that Jesus is speaking of the end of this earth(age).
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matt.5:17 Jesus says he fulfilled the law.
Matt. 5:18 Jesus says heaven and earth will pass away before THIS law is done away with.
Matt. 5:19 Now Jesus is saying no one should break THIS law.
The question is which law?
Matt. 5:17 Jesus fulfilled the law concerning Himself “READ” LUKE 24:44.
Matt. 5:18 Till all be fulfilled the law that Jesus is speaking of will not pass away. “READ” 1COR 15:26.
Matt. 5:19 Don't break the Law. Which law? Is it the law that Jesus did away with in Matt. 5:17? How could you break the Law that Jesus fulfilled and did away with?
Lady's and gentlemen Jesus is speaking of two different laws! Or Jesus is contradicting Himself!
**The law of God and the Law of Moses.
The Ten Commandment Law that God wrote.
Deu 10:1 At that time Jehovah said unto me, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first, and come up unto me into the mount, and make thee an ark of wood.
Deu 10:2 And I will write on the tables the words that were on the first tables which thou brakest, and thou shalt put them in the ark.
Deu 10:3 So I made an ark of acacia wood, and hewed two tables of stone like unto the first, and went up into the mount, having the two tables in my hand.
Deu 10:4 And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which Jehovah spake unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and Jehovah gave them unto me.
Deu 10:5 And I turned and came down from the mount, and put the tables in the ark which I had made; and there they are as Jehovah commanded me
** “Moses' Law” the Law God gave to Moses: The ritual sacrificial Law (Deu. 31:9 & 26)
Deu 31:9 And Moses wrote this law, and delivered it unto the priests the sons of Levi, that bare the ark of the covenant of Jehovah, and unto all the elders of Israel.
Deu 31:10 And Moses commanded them, saying, At the end of every seven years, in the set time of the year of release, in the feast of tabernacles
Deu 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it by the side of the ark of the covenant of Jehovah your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee. (Col. 2:14)
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Notice that God wrote the Ten Commandments (not Moses) and Moses placed them IN THE ARK.
Notice the Law that God gave Moses to write (Moses' Law) then Moses Commanded them to be placed by the side of the ark by a priest. Also notice that the ritual/sacrificial law was “a witness against us”
God commanded Moses to place the Ten Commandments in the Ark.
Moses commanded the priest to place the Sacrificial Law which was given by God for him to write.
This why it is called Moses Law, Moses wrote it and commanded it to be placed by the side (most say in the side).
1Ki 8:9 There was nothing in the ark save the two tables of stone which Moses put there at Horeb, when Jehovah made a covenant with the children of Israel, when they came out of the land of Egypt.
Solomon opened the ark and found only the Ten Commandments that God wrote. There were no sacrificial laws. This shows a separation of the Law and that the sacrificial laws would be fulfilled by Jesus the Christ and done away with.
What commandments are the saints to keep in the VERY last days?
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Are these the commandments Jesus did away with? Or are they the commandments Jesus said NOT TO BREAK?
How about it Nick or anyone else. Please answer that. Which commandments are these scriptures speaking about? Whichever they are the saints of the lasts days will be keeping them.
**Ladies and gentlemen, brothers and sisters the people who gave you the Trinty. Who said Jesus died on Friday. Who call themselves father who's leader is known as “The most Holy Father”. Are the same people that changed the seventh day to the first day. They changed the number of the seventh day commandment from the forth to the third.*******
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
They are the Catholic church. Just ask them they won't deny it. Their excuse: “we are the church and have the power to change the Sabbath day. This is why all protestant religions and some others are her daughters according to the “New Pope”.
A lot could be said about this.
One thing to note is that Jesus in fulfilling the Law certainly did not do away with it.
Take the commandment thou shalt not commit adultery. He did not do away with that, rather he magnified it. I say to you whoever looks at a woman with lust in his heart has commited adultery already with her.
You shall not kill – but I say to you if you speak evil against your brother you are a murderer.
And in the light of all of this you are faced with the fact that, despite our best intentions, all of us fall short.
One thing it does is put us all on a level playing field, all unable to satisfy God by the demand of the Law of His Word, all in need of His Grace.Quote (malcolm ferris @ April 01 2006,13:01) A lot could be said about this.
One thing to note is that Jesus in fulfilling the Law certainly did not do away with it.
Take the commandment thou shalt not commit adultery. He did not do away with that, rather he magnified it. I say to you whoever looks at a woman with lust in his heart has commited adultery already with her.
You shall not kill – but I say to you if you speak evil against your brother you are a murderer.
And in the light of all of this you are faced with the fact that, despite our best intentions, all of us fall short.
One thing it does is put us all on a level playing field, all unable to satisfy God by the demand of the Law of His Word, all in need of His Grace.
True very true. In keeping the law say we don't steal. Are we fufilling that commandment?Is it safe to say that if we do steal are we then under it?
As long as we don't have Jesus then I say YES. Spiritually we die a little at a time. That's part of the gospel I say the first part because if Jesus was not resurrected then all is lost. No point in going any further. Jesus didn't preach I have come to set you free from sin by being your sacrifical lamb. The law did that! That's the law He fulfilled and did away with Luke 24:44. Jesus preached the Kingdom of heaven is at hand. The word kingdom means “ruler”. Would you equate ruler with being great?
I don't know who will be a ruler no one on earth knows that but the Father.Mat 20:23 He saith unto them, My cup indeed ye shall drink: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left hand, is not mine to give; but it is for them for whom it hath been prepared of my Father.
That's why we should run the race to win. Who is that wants you to believe that your nothing? It's not the one who died for you!
1Co 9:23 And I do all things for the gospel's sake, that I may be a joint partaker thereof.
A joint partaker thereof? Joint partaker of what? The kingdom. Is it any wander that Paul did mighty works.1Co 9:24 Know ye not that they that run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? Even so run; that ye may attain.
If no one knows that their even in a race how can they win?
Why are we of these last days do not do any mighty works that Jesus said we would do.
Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, he that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto the Father.
NOW the last days when knowledge will increase is the time to be like Paul 1Co 9:23 And I do all things for the gospel's sake, that I may be a “joint partaker” thereof. Are we all joint partakers? No! Do you know that you will not be if you do all things for the Gospel? NO!
Run the race to win! Don't just say I'm not good enough. Has Jesus finished His work in you? NO!I believe that the gospel of the resurrection has been preached to “every nation” thst's every race. But until the Kingdom has been preached then the rulers are not complete. Satan knows that until that happens He will still be god of this world.
2Co 4:4 in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of the unbelieving, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not dawn upon them.
Could you be in the first resurrection. Better yet are you the one Jesus is waiting for to answer the call? It could be my brother it very well could be!
You know is it so hard to believe that the one who has lied to you ALL THIS TIME has not yet another lie. All lies to hinder the Kingdom of God on earth.
Thy Kingdom come. The kingdom will not come until all the kings and priest are chosen. Seek and you will find. Well we sought the forgivness of sin. If we seek to be a ruler with Jesus what will we find? I believe will we find just who each and everyone will be in the Kingdom. A ruler could be but even greater than a ruler a servant.
Mat 23:11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
Hey! There is nothing wrong with being a servant. Now is there?
Praise and glory be to the Father first and the Son!
Quote (david @ Mar. 31 2006,06:29) Yes, as Nick said, actually, the vast majority of humankind never were under the Law, as the psalmist explained: “[Jehovah] is telling his word to Jacob, his regulations and his judicial decisions to Israel. He has not done that way to any other nation; and as for his judicial decisions, they have not known them.” (Psalm 147:19, 20)
When God established the new covenant on the basis of Jesus’ sacrifice, even the nation of Israel was no longer under obligation to obey the Law. (Galatians 3:13; Ephesians 2:15; Colossians 2:13, 14, 16)
I'm not sure that is entirely true.I believe that those of the circumcision, including the apostles, were under the law and remained so until death.
The OT and Jesus's ministry (hence the gospels) was to those under the law but half way though Acts we are introduced to the new covenant and the age of grace.
I believe that the age of grace began with Cornelius who was a sign to the circumcision that God was going to reach out to the gentiles. But began in ernest with Sauls conversion (to an outreach to those not under the law). At that time God cast away Israel (temporarily) and there became no difference between Jew or Gentile (in other words Jews were saved the same as Gentiles through faith).
To any since Paul we're saved by grace and all his letters are written under this new covenant. At the end of the age I believe in a rapture where all those under the age of grace are resurrected (or caught up if living) and God will once again deal directly with Israel.
I believe this is why there is a perceived conflict within scriptures, they are written to two different groups under different covenants and we're trying to combine them into one teaching.
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