Matt 28:19? Article – What do you think?

[NickHassan]

Hi w,
So God is just a title??
Son of God is just another title??

I guess you would have to clear the decks and say these things
if you were promoting a new trinity god not found in the bible

[TimothyVI]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 29 2007,06:09)

Quote (TimothyVI @ June 29 2007,05:59) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 29 2007,05:41) It is my opinion that “Son of God” was a term only found about 4 times in the OT scriptures and to the Jews of his day we see that for Jesus to claim to be the “Son of God” was blasphemy and meant to them he was making himself equal to God. John nor Jesus rebuked Thomas! In those days to be the son of a king meant that you were heir to the throne and would be king. I think that is what upset them the most. In effect, Jesus was telling them that he was heir to the position of God and thus would be God. Tim Tim So Jesus was promoting “Polytheism”?

Hi worshippingJesus,

Of course not. Jesus merely told them that he was the son of God.
The Pharisees believed that he was claiming heir to the throne. Whoa to them, they were wrong about a lot of things.

Tim

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 29 2007,06:20)

Hi w, So God is just a title?? Son of God is just another title?? I guess you would have to clear the decks and say these things if you were promoting a new trinity god not found in the bible

NH

Is God and Son of God a name?

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (TimothyVI @ June 29 2007,06:25)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 29 2007,06:09) Quote (TimothyVI @ June 29 2007,05:59) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 29 2007,05:41) It is my opinion that “Son of God” was a term only found about 4 times in the OT scriptures and to the Jews of his day we see that for Jesus to claim to be the “Son of God” was blasphemy and meant to them he was making himself equal to God. John nor Jesus rebuked Thomas! In those days to be the son of a king meant that you were heir to the throne and would be king. I think that is what upset them the most. In effect, Jesus was telling them that he was heir to the position of God and thus would be God. Tim Tim So Jesus was promoting “Polytheism”? Hi worshippingJesus, Of course not. Jesus merely told them that he was the son of God. The Pharisees believed that he was claiming heir to the throne. Whoa to them, they were wrong about a lot of things. Tim

Tim

You say…

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The Pharisees believed that he was claiming heir to the throne. Whoa to them, they were wrong about a lot of things.

Is there a scripture for this statement?

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Not3in1 @ June 29 2007,06:04)

Quote (chosenone @ June 29 2007,06:01) I thought this post was to gather opinions on what Matt.28:19 meant, not a debate about the trinity! CO, Every thread comes back to the Trinity……  it's WHO God is!  It's so easy to get side-tracked because everything becomes so related. Why don't you get us back on track.

LOL

Matt 28:19 is a Trinitarian verse!

[NickHassan]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 29 2007,06:28)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 29 2007,06:20) Hi w, So God is just a title?? Son of God is just another title?? I guess you would have to clear the decks and say these things if you were promoting a new trinity god not found in the bible NH Is God and Son of God a name?

Hi W,
Are these the only choices available?
If Jesus said he is the son of God does that mean he is not really the son of God but an aspect of God called the son?

[Not3in1]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 29 2007,06:14)

Or if it will make you feel better Ill refraise and say “you refuse to believe what I believe it says”. I am 100% sure of what Thomas meant. Just as sure as Jesus is my Saviour he is also “MY Lord and God”.

That's much better, thank you!

And of course I think you are wrong about Thomas, but that is my opinion and we can certainly agree to disagree.

While we may be going around the mountain – others are listening in. So I guess it's OK to go around the mountain more than once! Besides, I'm a hiker and love the mountains. I'm OK with it if you are!

[TimothyVI]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 29 2007,06:31)

Quote (TimothyVI @ June 29 2007,06:25) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 29 2007,06:09) Quote (TimothyVI @ June 29 2007,05:59) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 29 2007,05:41) It is my opinion that “Son of God” was a term only found about 4 times in the OT scriptures and to the Jews of his day we see that for Jesus to claim to be the “Son of God” was blasphemy and meant to them he was making himself equal to God. John nor Jesus rebuked Thomas! In those days to be the son of a king meant that you were heir to the throne and would be king. I think that is what upset them the most. In effect, Jesus was telling them that he was heir to the position of God and thus would be God. Tim Tim So Jesus was promoting “Polytheism”? Hi worshippingJesus, Of course not. Jesus merely told them that he was the son of God. The Pharisees believed that he was claiming heir to the throne. Whoa to them, they were wrong about a lot of things. Tim Tim You say… Quote The Pharisees believed that he was claiming heir to the throne. Whoa to them, they were wrong about a lot of things. Is there a scripture for this statement?

In those times wasn't it common for the only son to be heir to his father's kingdom?
What else would they have thought about someone claiming to be the son?
You say that they thought that Jesus was claiming to be equal. I say that nothing ever implies that a son is equal to his father.

Tim

[Not3in1]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 29 2007,06:33)

Quote (Not3in1 @ June 29 2007,06:04) Quote (chosenone @ June 29 2007,06:01) I thought this post was to gather opinions on what Matt.28:19 meant, not a debate about the trinity! CO, Every thread comes back to the Trinity……  it's WHO God is!  It's so easy to get side-tracked because everything becomes so related. Why don't you get us back on track. LOL Matt 28:19 is a Trinitarian verse!

Oh, mocking brother…….. so sad!

You say it's a “Trinitarian verse” that is interesting. How many other “Trinitarian” verses are there?

Verses that mention three are one?

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Not3in1 @ June 29 2007,06:40)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 29 2007,06:33) Quote (Not3in1 @ June 29 2007,06:04) Quote (chosenone @ June 29 2007,06:01) I thought this post was to gather opinions on what Matt.28:19 meant, not a debate about the trinity! CO, Every thread comes back to the Trinity……  it's WHO God is!  It's so easy to get side-tracked because everything becomes so related. Why don't you get us back on track. LOL Matt 28:19 is a Trinitarian verse! Oh, mocking brother……..  so sad! You say it's a “Trinitarian verse” that is interesting.  How many other “Trinitarian” verses are there? Verses that mention three are one?

Not3

Is there anything I can say without your critisism?

How am I mocking?

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (TimothyVI @ June 29 2007,06:40)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 29 2007,06:31) Quote (TimothyVI @ June 29 2007,06:25) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 29 2007,06:09) Quote (TimothyVI @ June 29 2007,05:59) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 29 2007,05:41) It is my opinion that “Son of God” was a term only found about 4 times in the OT scriptures and to the Jews of his day we see that for Jesus to claim to be the “Son of God” was blasphemy and meant to them he was making himself equal to God. John nor Jesus rebuked Thomas! In those days to be the son of a king meant that you were heir to the throne and would be king. I think that is what upset them the most. In effect, Jesus was telling them that he was heir to the position of God and thus would be God. Tim Tim So Jesus was promoting “Polytheism”? Hi worshippingJesus, Of course not. Jesus merely told them that he was the son of God. The Pharisees believed that he was claiming heir to the throne. Whoa to them, they were wrong about a lot of things. Tim Tim You say… Quote The Pharisees believed that he was claiming heir to the throne. Whoa to them, they were wrong about a lot of things. Is there a scripture for this statement? In those times wasn't it common for the only son to be heir to his father's  kingdom? What else would they have thought about someone claiming to be the son? You say that they thought that Jesus was claiming to be equal. I say that nothing ever implies that a son is equal to his father. Tim

Tim

A Son is equal to his Father!

They are both 100% human!

To say you were the “Son of God” to them was saying you sere something other than a man.

In fact it was to them saying he was God!

Jn 5:18
Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

John wrote these words because he knew what the Jews were saying.

He understood what Jesus was saing also!

[NickHassan]

Hi W,
Why would you align your thoughts with the enemies of Christ?
Jesus showed them they were deceived

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 29 2007,07:35)

Hi W, Why would you align your thoughts with the enemies of Christ? Jesus showed them they were deceived

NH

Jn 5:18
Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

These are Johns words. I align with what Johns says about the Jews.

Do you?

[TimothyVI]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 29 2007,07:44)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 29 2007,07:35) Hi W, Why would you align your thoughts with the enemies of Christ? Jesus showed them they were deceived NH Jn 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. These are Johns words. I align with what Johns says about the Jews. Do you?

Hi WorshippingJesus,

John only said that the Jews thought that saying He was the son of God made Him equal to God.
John didn't say it was true.
The Jews were trying to make Jesus guilty of any sin that they could. They were wrong about any sin.

Tim

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (TimothyVI @ June 29 2007,08:39)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 29 2007,07:44) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 29 2007,07:35) Hi W, Why would you align your thoughts with the enemies of Christ? Jesus showed them they were deceived NH Jn 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. These are Johns words. I align with what Johns says about the Jews. Do you? Hi WorshippingJesus, John only said that the Jews thought that saying He was the son of God made Him equal to God. John didn't say it was true. The Jews were trying to make Jesus guilty of any sin that they could. They were wrong about any sin. Tim

Tim

The problem that we have with your interpretation is John didnt refute what they said.

In fact he seemed to support it expecially in light of Jn 1:1 and John 20:28.

I see it differently than you. So we will have to disagree!

[NickHassan]

Hi W,

Jesus is not guilty of blasphemy.
Withdraw your false charges.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 29 2007,08:48)

Hi W, Jesus is not guilty of blasphemy. Withdraw your false charges.

NH

Of course he isnt. He was the Word\God in the flesh!

The Lord from heaven. The Mighty God! The King of Kings and the Lord of Lords, the first and the last, and by him all things were created and without him was not anything made that was made.

So remember NH that “God alone” created all things!

[NickHassan]

Hi W,
Then who is the Son of God?
It is not a matter of being clever or using smart popups or winning arguments.
Your expressed faith is opposed to the revelation of the bible and this should concern you.

Jesus Christ is the Son of the living God.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 29 2007,09:09)

Hi W, Then who is the Son of God?

NH

He is YHWH in the flesh!

Believe the scriptures. They were written about him.

Jn 5:
39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which *testify of me*.
40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

So many going to God without coming to Jesus!

[NickHassan]

Hi W,
So the
Son of God
is
God Himself?

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