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The tribulation is real.
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And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.This is definately a time of trial. Also it says in the bible that it will be worse a period than has ever been. Pretty specific.IMHO. Also, I believe it is right now. Millions of bloody dead murdered babys in dumps. New age becoming popular, telling people that they are God. Isreal looking down Islams throat about to be swallowed. Too obvious.(CORRECTION-They THINK they are about to swallow Israel and rule the world)
Peace and love-Mark
Quote (mikeangel @ Sep. 17 2011,22:15) The tribulation is real.
Hi Mark,Which one? …the 3 1/2 year one or the 7 year one?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgThat imo is opinion and/or interpretation as far as length or what those symbolic numbers mean. The period of tribulation in question is happening now. Here is what I think they mean. 7 is the Jewish perfect number. 3 and a half is the imperfect. Half of 7. For evil periods, 3.5 would be an evil, indefinite period of time. Like also 42 months that the gentiles would crush the holy city in Revalations (3.5 years = 42 months) Rev. 11v2 ” it has been handed over to the gentiles, who will crush the holy city for 42 months”. The precursor to this was the vicious persucution of Antiocus Epephanes, who tortured Jews and forced them to give up God or die.(1260 days).
IMHO, the 7 years will be the period of God's wrath. Because it comes from God it will be perfect, exact, corresponding to perfect Justice, which is what God is. It will follow the 3.5 period of tribulation that God warned us would come upon the earth.Matthew 24:22 If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.
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Mark 13:19 because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God created the world, until now–and never to be equaled again.
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Mark 13:21 At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'Look, there he is!' do not believe it.Then this will immediately happen=
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But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,I believe this is when the world bends it knees to Jesus, because they who scorned and disbelieved him and his Father will know they were decieved, and beg for mercy, because they will see him on the clouds with thier own eyes. and mourn”as one morns for an only son”. LOUD wails and gallons of tears. But- v27 “he will dispatch his angels and assemble his chosen from the four winds” This is the departure of the elect, the “rapture” you think is not coming. Then the door is shut, and barred. “Master! Master!” will be screamed over the whole world. then God will purify this Godless and evil world with a Perfect Firey Wrath, and creation will be made anew in front of our eyes. Time will be meaningless. Then……who knows but God what exactly heaven is like. Perfect is my guess. Sorry for rambling. Peace and Love-Mark
Quote (mikeangel @ Sep. 17 2011,22:15) The tribulation is real. King James Bible
And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.This is definately a time of trial. Also it says in the bible that it will be worse a period than has ever been. Pretty specific.IMHO. Also, I believe it is right now. Millions of bloody dead murdered babys in dumps. New age becoming popular, telling people that they are God. Isreal looking down Islams throat about to be swallowed. Too obvious.
Peace and love-Mark
Hi Mark,You do understand that Matt.24:22 is referring to the five month period mentioned in Rev. 9:10; don't you?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHey Ed. All this is what I think the bible says. No one knows exactly everything, it is shrowded in mystery. God wanted it to be that way. It will all make sense then. For all I know, when the stars are falling from the sky it is when the earth is hit by bunches of meteors, destroying it completely in an instant, and on the other side, in the spiritual realm, is where we meet God face to face. I don't claim to know it all. I do know that we have a breath of life for a very short moment, and with it we can either give glory to God or choose ourselves or Satan. I want to do as much with my little brief moment on this earth as I can, which isn't much, because I am stupid and ignorant as a cow. Moooo. As far as the rapture goes we'll see, but I believe it is when the redeemed are taken to God, much like the Hebrews passed through the waters while the godless were destroyed. We'll see……. Peace and love Ed, hope you are well and blessed. Mark P.S. What connnection have you discovered between Matt 24:22 AND Rev 9:10?
While your at it, do you think that 144,000 is a literal number, or does it represent a perfect number? I noticed that the new Jerusalem coming out of heavan will be a perfect square,like on your website, 12 by 12 by 12. that would mean the floor would be 144,000 sq. units. does that mean simply that it will be perfect, with a perfect number of citizens? Just a thought.
Quote (mikeangel @ Sep. 18 2011,07:29) Hey Ed. All this is what I think the bible says. No one knows exactly everything, it is shrowded in mystery. God wanted it to be that way. It will all make sense then. For all I know, when the stars are falling from the sky it is when the earth is hit by bunches of meteors, destroying it completely in an instant, and on the other side, in the spiritual realm, is where we meet God face to face. I don't claim to know it all. I do know that we have a breath of life for a very short moment, and with it we can either give glory to God or choose ourselves or Satan. I want to do as much with my little brief moment on this earth as I can, which isn't much, because I am stupid and ignorant as a cow. Moooo. As far as the rapture goes we'll see, but I believe it is when the redeemed are taken to God, much like the Hebrews passed through the waters while the godless were destroyed. We'll see……. Peace and love Ed, hope you are well and blessed. Mark P.S. What connnection have you discovered between Matt 24:22 AND Rev 9:10?
Hi Mark,Mark 13:23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
What do you consider a mystery?
Did Jesus not tell us all things?Quote What connection have you discovered between Matt 24:22 AND Rev 9:10? A five month time period; I thought I made that point clear?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeangel @ Sep. 18 2011,07:38) While your at it, do you think that 144,000 is a literal number, or does it represent a perfect number? I noticed that the new Jerusalem coming out of heavan will be a perfect square,like on your website, 12 by 12 by 12. that would mean the floor would be 144,000 sq. units. does that mean simply that it will be perfect, with a perfect number of citizens? Just a thought.
Hi Mark,It points to “Gematria”(74) as “The Key”(74)
Rev.7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed:
and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four
thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.“an hundred and forty and four thousand”adds up to the 74th prime number.
The number 74 and it's association to Jesus…
In English, the significant number (74) is attributed to “JOSHUA”=74 and “Messiah”=74; also
in the following: “JESUS”=74, “Cross”=74, “Gospel”=74, and even “English”=74.
“Jesus Christ” (74×32) also factors 74 in Greek Theomatically:
[Jesus] Ιησους=74(x12), [Christ] Χριστоς=74(x20).
[Son of Man] υιος τον ανθρωπου=74(x40).“JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS”=373 (John 19:19)
This most popular phrase curiously adds up to the 74th prime number: 373.
Furthermore: “The King” equals 74 as well, which is at the center of this complete phrase.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgExcuse me Ed. Remember I am stupid. Where does anything in Matt 24:22 say anything about it being a 5 month period besides you saying it.
Matthew 24, v 21-,”for those days will be more filled with anthan any from the beginning of the world until now or in all ages to come.” ( tribulation in my book, btw )
v22,”Indeed, if the period had not been shortened, not a human being would be saved. For the sake of the chosen, however, the days will be shortened.”
Where does this allude to 5 months of time? Assumption?
Quote (mikeangel @ Sep. 18 2011,13:06) (1)Excuse me Ed. Remember I am stupid. Where does anything in Matt 24:22 say anything about it being a 5 month period besides you saying it. (2)Matthew 24, v 21-,”for those days will be more filled with anthan any from the beginning of the world until now or in all ages to come.” ((3) tribulation in my book, btw )
(4)v22,”Indeed, if the period had not been shortened, not a human being would be saved. For the sake of the chosen, however, the days will be shortened.”
(5)Where does this allude to 5 months of time? Assumption?
Hi Mark,1) Both Revelation 9:5 and Revelation 9:10 say five months.
2) For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning
of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. (Matt 24:21)
Do you think that five months is not short enough?3) You wrote a book called: “Tribulation”?
4) Revelation 9:10 says five months.
5) Revelation 9:10 and 9:5.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgedj
how do you see that Mat;24 ;20 t0 23 are now and not in 70 AD in Titus time ?
Mt 24:15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand—
Mt 24:16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
Mt 24:17 Let no one on the roof of his house go down to take anything out of the house.
Mt 24:18 Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak.
Mt 24:19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers!
Mt 24:20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath.
Mt 24:21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.
Mt 24:22 If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.
Mt 24:23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it.
Mt 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible.
Mt 24:25 See, I have told you ahead of time.
Mt 24:26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the desert,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.and what as Revelation 9 ;5;10 to do with Math 24; 21 ??
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2011,16:10) edj how do you see that Mat;24 ;20 t0 23 are now and not in 70 AD in Titus time ?
Mt 24:15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand—
Mt 24:16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
Mt 24:17 Let no one on the roof of his house go down to take anything out of the house.
Mt 24:18 Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak.
Mt 24:19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers!
Mt 24:20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath.
Mt 24:21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.
Mt 24:22 If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.
Mt 24:23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it.
Mt 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible.
Mt 24:25 See, I have told you ahead of time.
Mt 24:26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the desert,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.and what as Revelation 9 ;5;10 to do with Math 24; 21 ??
Pierre
Hi PR,Everyone at different times became a Christian.
This event happens to everyone at different times.
Look carefully Matthew 24:20 says: if was a one time
grandiose event, Matthew 24:20 would be a moot point.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Sep. 19 2011,03:52) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2011,16:10) edj how do you see that Mat;24 ;20 t0 23 are now and not in 70 AD in Titus time ?
Mt 24:15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand—
Mt 24:16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
Mt 24:17 Let no one on the roof of his house go down to take anything out of the house.
Mt 24:18 Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak.
Mt 24:19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers!
Mt 24:20 Pray that your will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath.
Mt 24:21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.
Mt 24:22 If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.
Mt 24:23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it.
Mt 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible.
Mt 24:25 See, I have told you ahead of time.
Mt 24:26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the desert,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.and what as Revelation 9 ;5;10 to do with Math 24; 21 ??
Pierre
Hi PR,Everyone at different times became a Christian.
This event happens to everyone at different times.
Look carefully Matthew 24:20 says: if was a one time
grandiose event, Matthew 24:20 would be a moot point.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjit is like you are not familiar with what happen in the 4years prior to 70 and when all was over all away to 71 AD
you should read the events and how Mat;24;20 was accomplish in those days ,and also all what Christ ad foretold.
it is an eye opener,
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 19 2011,00:51) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 19 2011,03:52) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2011,16:10) edj how do you see that Mat;24 ;20 t0 23 are now and not in 70 AD in Titus time ?
Mt 24:15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand—
Mt 24:16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
Mt 24:17 Let no one on the roof of his house go down to take anything out of the house.
Mt 24:18 Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak.
Mt 24:19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers!
Mt 24:20 Pray that your will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath.
Mt 24:21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.
Mt 24:22 If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.
Mt 24:23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it.
Mt 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible.
Mt 24:25 See, I have told you ahead of time.
Mt 24:26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the desert,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.and what as Revelation 9 ;5;10 to do with Math 24; 21 ??
Pierre
Hi PR,Everyone at different times became a Christian.
This event happens to everyone at different times.
Look carefully Matthew 24:20 says: if was a one time
grandiose event, Matthew 24:20 would be a moot point.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjit is like you are not familiar with what happen in the 4years prior to 70 and when all was over all away to 71 AD
you should read the events and how Mat;24;20 was accomplish in those days ,and also all what Christ ad foretold.
it is an eye opener,
Pierre
Hi PR,Was it any worse than what they did to the Jews
in the concentration camps of Hitler's Germany?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Sep. 19 2011,09:20) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 19 2011,00:51) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 19 2011,03:52) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2011,16:10) edj how do you see that Mat;24 ;20 t0 23 are now and not in 70 AD in Titus time ?
Mt 24:15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand—
Mt 24:16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
Mt 24:17 Let no one on the roof of his house go down to take anything out of the house.
Mt 24:18 Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak.
Mt 24:19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers!
Mt 24:20 Pray that your will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath.
Mt 24:21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.
Mt 24:22 If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.
Mt 24:23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it.
Mt 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible.
Mt 24:25 See, I have told you ahead of time.
Mt 24:26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the desert,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.and what as Revelation 9 ;5;10 to do with Math 24; 21 ??
Pierre
Hi PR,Everyone at different times became a Christian.
This event happens to everyone at different times.
Look carefully Matthew 24:20 says: if was a one time
grandiose event, Matthew 24:20 would be a moot point.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjit is like you are not familiar with what happen in the 4years prior to 70 and when all was over all away to 71 AD
you should read the events and how Mat;24;20 was accomplish in those days ,and also all what Christ ad foretold.
it is an eye opener,
Pierre
Hi PR,Was it any worse than what they did to the Jews
in the concentration camps of Hitler's Germany?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjI think so read it it is history ,being killed is one thing ,become so low that you will eat your own , this is bad ,and more
google it
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 19 2011,07:59) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 19 2011,09:20) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 19 2011,00:51) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 19 2011,03:52) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2011,16:10) edj how do you see that Mat;24 ;20 t0 23 are now and not in 70 AD in Titus time ?
Mt 24:15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand—
Mt 24:16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
Mt 24:17 Let no one on the roof of his house go down to take anything out of the house.
Mt 24:18 Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak.
Mt 24:19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers!
Mt 24:20 Pray that your will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath.
Mt 24:21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.
Mt 24:22 If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.
Mt 24:23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it.
Mt 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible.
Mt 24:25 See, I have told you ahead of time.
Mt 24:26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the desert,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.and what as Revelation 9 ;5;10 to do with Math 24; 21 ??
Pierre
Hi PR,Everyone at different times became a Christian.
This event happens to everyone at different times.
Look carefully Matthew 24:20 says: if was a one time
grandiose event, Matthew 24:20 would be a moot point.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjit is like you are not familiar with what happen in the 4years prior to 70 and when all was over all away to 71 AD
you should read the events and how Mat;24;20 was accomplish in those days ,and also all what Christ ad foretold.
it is an eye opener,
Pierre
Hi PR,Was it any worse than what they did to the Jews
in the concentration camps of Hitler's Germany?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjI think so read it it is history ,being killed is one thing ,become so low that you will eat your own , this is bad ,and more
google it
Pierre
Hi PR,Do you believe Jesus returned (as preterists) on 70 A.D.?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgedj
Quote Hi PR, Do you believe Jesus returned (as preterists) on 70 A.D.?
God bless
Ed J (answer; NO
if that was the case we all now live in hell with no hope to be saved,or it would be in the day of judgment for the past 2000 years
and I have not seen or heard of any general resurrection either,like it says in Revelation,Pierre
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 20 2011,03:59) edj Quote Hi PR, Do you believe Jesus returned (as preterists) on 70 A.D.?
God bless
Ed J (answer; NO
if that was the case we all now live in hell with no hope to be saved,or it would be in the day of judgment for the past 2000 years
and I have not seen or heard of any general resurrection either,like it says in Revelation,Pierre
Pierre
Hi PR,Have you considered these verses? I have highlighted the parts I wish you to address; OK …
Matt 24:29-30 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened,
and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers
of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:
and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and
they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgedj
Quote Hi PR, Have you considered these verses? I have highlighted the parts I wish you to address; OK …
Matt 24:29-30 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened,
and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers
of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:
and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and
they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.God bless
Ed Jfirst ;
Mt 24:22 If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.
Mt 24:23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it.
Mt 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible.
Mt 24:25 See, I have told you ahead of time.
Mt 24:26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the desert,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.
Mt 24:27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Mt 24:28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.
Mt 24:29 “Immediately after the distress of those days
“ ‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’
Mt 24:30 “At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory.
Mt 24:31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.those verses 22 to 31 are for future and so are for the time of the end,
the glory of Christ that will appear is invisible but not what he has said to his disciples so the glory of Christ is the true words he has spoken from his father,and when they become fulfilled all of US have to bend down and acknowledge that God and Christ had said the truth,
and that the time has come for judgment.
Pierre
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