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Quote (Not3in1 @ Aug. 25 2009,05:12) When you pray the Rosary…..are you praying to Mary?
Yes Mandy the Catholics do pray to Mary. Even when they pray the Our Father, they say a Holy Miry Prayer with it,
It goes like this'Our Father and then. Holy Mary full of grace blessed are thoo among women and blessed is the fruit thy womb Jesus. Holy Mary Mother of God pray for our sinners, now and at the hour of our death , Amen
Idolatry big time. To think that we did that, boggles my
mind. When you blind you blind, I am for ever thankful to God that He called us out of that Church.Love Irene
Quote (david @ Aug. 24 2009,18:52) Quote Jesus was God in her womb. She is the Theotokos (God-bearer) To confess any less is material heresy.
–CA
Hi CA.
What if I confessed that he was the “Son of God”?
1 JOHN 4:15
“Whoever makes the confession that Jesus Christ is the Son of God . . .”
According to John, if we are to remain in union with God, what must confess?I would not call John a heretic. Yet, he is telling others to confess that Jesus is the Son “of” God.
david
CA, I'm wondering if confessing Jesus as the “Son of” God is considered “less” in your mind, than confessing him as God?And hence, heretic?
What do you say?
david
Quote (Cato @ Aug. 25 2009,06:02) In the Bible all references to the Queen of Heaven refer to the goddess Asherah not Mary! Mary was associated with the title only after the Council of Ephesus proclaimed her such. Jer 7:18 “The children gather wood, the fathers light the fire, and the women knead the dough and make cakes of bread for the Queen of Heaven.”
Jeremiah 44:17- 19 We will certainly do everything we said we would: We will burn incense to the Queen of Heaven and will pour out drink offerings to her just as we and our fathers, our kings and our officials did in the towns of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem. At that time we had plenty of food and were well off and suffered no harm.
But ever since we stopped burning incense to the Queen of Heaven and pouring out drink offerings to her, we have had nothing and have been perishing by sword and famine.”
The women added, “When we burned incense to the Queen of Heaven and poured out drink offerings to her, did not our husbands know that we were making cakes like her image and pouring out drink offerings to her?”Jeremiah 44:25
This is what the LORD Almighty, the God of Israel, says: You and your wives have shown by your actions what you promised when you said, 'We will certainly carry out the vows we made to burn incense and pour out drink offerings to the Queen of Heaven.' “Go ahead then, do what you promised! Keep your vows!So based on scripture I would have to say Asherah has a better claim to the title.
Just so no one is mislead by that slick posts of Cato'sJeremiah 44
8 in that you provoke Me to wrath with the works of your hands, burning incense to other gods in the land of Egypt where you have gone to dwell, that you may cut yourselves off and be a curse and a reproach among all the nations of the earth? 9 Have you forgotten the wickedness of your fathers, the wickedness of the kings of Judah, the wickedness of their wives, your own wickedness, and the wickedness of your wives, which they committed in the land of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem?
Jeremiah 44
11 “Therefore thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel: ‘Behold, I will set My face against you for catastrophe and for cutting off all Judah. 12 And I will take the remnant of Judah who have set their faces to go into the land of Egypt to dwell there, and they shall all be consumed and fall in the land of Egypt. They shall be consumed by the sword and by famine. They shall die, from the least to the greatest, by the sword and by famine; and they shall be an oath, an astonishment, a curse and a reproach! 13 For I will punish those who dwell in the land of Egypt, as I have punished Jerusalem, by the sword, by famine, and by pestilence, 14 so that none of the remnant of Judah who have gone into the land of Egypt to dwell there shall escape or survive, lest they return to the land of Judah, to which they desire to return and dwell. For none shall return except those who escape.’”
15 Then all the men who knew that their wives had burned incense to other gods, with all the women who stood by, a great multitude, and all the people who dwelt in the land of Egypt, in Pathros, answered Jeremiah, saying: 16 “As for the word that you have spoken to us in the name of the LORD, we will not listen to you! 17 But we will certainly do whatever has gone out of our own mouth, to burn incense to the queen of heaven and pour out drink offerings to her, as we have done, we and our fathers, our kings and our princes, in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem. For then we had plenty of food, were well-off, and saw no trouble. 18 But since we stopped burning incense to the queen of heaven and pouring out drink offerings to her, we have lacked everything and have been consumed by the sword and by famine.”Quote (CatholicApologist @ Aug. 24 2009,16:31) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 24 2009,14:39) (3) When she was delivered, she said: “O my Lord! Behold! I am delivered of a female child!”- and Allah knew best what she brought forth- “And no wise is the male Like the female. I have named her Mary, and I commend her and her offspring to Thy protection from the Evil One, the Rejected.”
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #36)4) Right graciously did her Lord accept her: He made her grow in purity and beauty: To the care of Zakariya was she assigned. Every time that he entered (Her) chamber to see her, He found her supplied with sustenance. He said: “O Mary! Whence (comes) this to you?” She said: “From Allah. for Allah Provides sustenance to whom He pleases without measure.”
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #37)
Jesus was God in her womb. She is the Theotokos (God-bearer)To confess any less is material heresy.
Hi CA:God has no mother or father, and Jesus never claimed to be God.
God has revealed to the church through the Apostle Peter that Jesus is the Christ the Son of the Living God.
Quote Mat 16:13 ¶ When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? Mat 16:14 And they said, Some [say that thou art] John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
Mat 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed [it] unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Jesus is God in the following sense, but there is only “One God”, and Jesus is not God in that sense.
Quote Hbr 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Hbr 1:3 Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his personMary gave birth to a manchild. Not just any manchild, but the Son of the Living God, but nevertheless a manchild.
Do you agree that Jesus is a man?
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Cindy @ Aug. 24 2009,17:56) Quote (CatholicApologist @ Aug. 24 2009,17:24) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 24 2009,16:44) Hi AC,
I can see why you worship Mary if God was her child.
But does it not make your god too small?
How dare you accuse me of this?To worship Mary is to commit mortal sin and put oneself in danger of hell fire.
You don't have a clue about what the Catholic church teaches, do you?
Maybe Nick does not, but I do since we were born into the Catholic religion. From birth until my Husband was 47 and I was 46. I am forever thankful to God that He called me out of that Church. When you say the Rosary you pray to Maria.
And you find nothing wrong with that? Also we used to believe that Maria stayed a Virgin. Not so.
Math. 1:25 and did not know Her til She had brought forth Her firstborn Son. And He called Him Jesus;
Yeah, what do you think that means? He was engaged to Her, and He did know Her? They did not have sex until after Jesus was born. Jesus also had other Brothers and Sisters.Mark 3:31,32,35.
You know we are supposed to prove all things. We never even read the Bible when wee attended the R.C.C. I don't know about now, but back then we just believed the Priest, that He for gave our Sins. Nobody but God can forgive our sins and I don;t have to go to a Priest to do so. Jesus is our Mediator between God and us.
IreneQuote From birth until my Husband was 47 and I was 46. Then for your sake, I am thankful to God that He led me to this forum.
Quote When you say the Rosary you pray to Maria.
And you find nothing wrong with that?We believe in the communion of the saints. The saints (just men made perfect) in heaven are not separated from Christ, but forever united with Him. Through our union with Christ we are able to ask these “righteous” men and women whose prayers “avail much” to pray for us. This is the most ancient apostolic tradition and thus of Divine origin.
Protestants attribute the concept of “worship” to “prayer”. We do not. Though we can worship God through prayer. Pray is an old English word meaning simply “ask”. (i.e. “I pray thee”)
The highest form of worship for the Protestant who is relatively “new on the block” is prayer. For us the highest form of worship is the high priestly act of sacrifice to God through Jesus Christ.
Quote Also we used to believe that Maria stayed a Virgin. Not so. Have you never read the first century historical book “The Protoevangelium of James”? If not, you should. While it is not Scripture per se. It is certainly commonly accepted history in all of the apostolic churches.
Quote Math. 1:25 and did not know Her til She had brought forth Her firstborn Son. And He called Him Jesus;
Yeah, what do you think that means? He was engaged to Her, and He did know Her? They did not have sex until after Jesus was born. Jesus also had other Brothers and Sisters.Mark 3:31,32,35.
“Until” does not mean that they certainly did after. No. It simply is a record of what happened up “until” the time of the birth of Christ. No more. No less. You can't find ONE Scripture claiming that Mary and Joseph ever had sex.
Quote We never even read the Bible when wee attended the R.C.C. Um…It's not technically the “Roman Catholic Church”. I am not a Roman Catholic. I am an Eastern Catholic. But I guess the Western half may choose to go by this name unofficially from time to time.
And you didn't need to read the Bible. You certainly heard it every time you attended Mass. Probably more than in most Protestant churches. O…they gave more attention to what they THOUGHT it meant. Not doubt. But I'm willing to wager that you heard more Scripture every Sunday at Mass read publicly than you do now.
Better to have the correct application of the Bible and live it's meaning than to READ it and “wrest it” to your own destruction.
Quote Nobody but God can forgive our sins and I don;t have to go to a Priest to do so. Yet we read that the Pharisees made this same accusation against Jesus. He was fully God AND fully man. He was a man who had power to forgive sins.
Have you never read that He gave this same power/authority to the apostles? Please go read John 20:22,23 again if not.
Quote Jesus is our Mediator between God and us. If you are going to apply this Scripture about the mediation of Christ to every act of intercession. Then I must before God beg you to refrain from asking anyone else to pray/intercede for you for any reason whatsoever. If you don't, you are a hypocrite. (sorry I don't know how to say it nicer…I would if I could)
I mean, can't you just go straight to God? Why ask Joe, Sally, or Suzy to “pray for you”? Is God a respecter of persons? What makes you think He will hear your friends more than He hears you?
You should tell all of your friends, “Don't pray for me! I don't need any other mediator between God and man besides Jesus…and me and Him are tight.”
Hi CA,
To join with the saints do you have to become a catholic or obey Jesus?How does becoming a catholic link you any any way to the Body of Christ?
Quote (Cato @ Aug. 25 2009,06:02) In the Bible all references to the Queen of Heaven refer to the goddess Asherah not Mary! Mary was associated with the title only after the Council of Ephesus proclaimed her such. Jer 7:18 “The children gather wood, the fathers light the fire, and the women knead the dough and make cakes of bread for the Queen of Heaven.”
Jeremiah 44:17- 19 We will certainly do everything we said we would: We will burn incense to the Queen of Heaven and will pour out drink offerings to her just as we and our fathers, our kings and our officials did in the towns of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem. At that time we had plenty of food and were well off and suffered no harm.
But ever since we stopped burning incense to the Queen of Heaven and pouring out drink offerings to her, we have had nothing and have been perishing by sword and famine.”
The women added, “When we burned incense to the Queen of Heaven and poured out drink offerings to her, did not our husbands know that we were making cakes like her image and pouring out drink offerings to her?”Jeremiah 44:25
This is what the LORD Almighty, the God of Israel, says: You and your wives have shown by your actions what you promised when you said, 'We will certainly carry out the vows we made to burn incense and pour out drink offerings to the Queen of Heaven.' “Go ahead then, do what you promised! Keep your vows!So based on scripture I would have to say Asherah has a better claim to the title.
Mary is the Gebirah (pronounced: Geb-ee-rah) of the house of David. Of course Satan has his counterfeit. He always does. But all of the queen mothers of the house of David sat at the king's right hand starting with Bathsheeba to Solomon. I am happy to bring some education to you all regarding this:The Gebirah: Our Advocating Queen Mother
Written by Thomas J. Perna
Saturday, 18 July 2009 00:00
Page 1 of 3This article will begin by examining the titles of Queen Mother and Advocate found in the Old Testament Scriptures and most importantly, the Kingdom of David. It will then focus on the Queen in the words of God's messengers. Next we will examine her roles in relation to the New Covenant and our final goal will be to demonstrate her Queenship and Advocacy in light of Sacred Tradition and the magisterial documents.
I wish to begin with a statement from an encyclical of Pius XII, Ad Caeli Reginam:
Already from the earliest centuries of the Catholic Church, the Christian people have addressed suppliant prayers and hymns of praise and veneration to the Queen of Heaven, both when they had reason to rejoice and particularly when they were beset by serious troubles. The hope placed in the Mother of the Divine King, Jesus Christ, has never failed. There has never been a weakening of that faith by which we are taught that Mary, the Virgin Mother of God, reigns with her maternal heart over the entire world, just as she is crowned with the diadem of royal glory in heavenly blessedness. 1
The Queen Mother in the Old Covenant
The Queenship of Mary finds its origins in the Old Testament scripture passage of Genesis 3:15, the Protoevangelium (first gospel). Mary, Our Queen, is understood to be in close association with Christ in the redemption of mankind after the Fall of Adam and Eve. Under and through the title of Co-Redemptrix: Mediatrix of All Grace, she shares subordinately with Christ his everlasting Kingship. Our Lord through his redemption receives his title of King and through this title he and Mary overcome the sin of Adam and Eve and transformed humanity's conquering of sin and death. 2 William G. Most best summarizes this in his article, Queen of the Universe, when he states,
Jesus is the King throughout all eternity by nature and by right of conquest; through Him, with Him, and subordinate to Him, Mary is Queen of Grace, by divine relationship, by right of conquest, and by singular choice. 3
J.B. Carol states that a few other passages in the Old Testament scriptures that have often been connected with the Queenship of Mary, however, these are not to be used for biblical arguments but only as renderings (side note: Carol says this because at the time when his book was published, 1956, the Holy Ghost had not yet conveyed Mary's Queenship through these passages). With that being said, we should look at these since they do make perfect sense for the Queenship of Mary.
The first passage is Psalm 45:10, which states, “Here, O Daughter, consider, and incline you ear; forget your people and your father's house…” The daughter is making reference to the queen. Eventually Mary is known as the Daughter of Zion. The next two passages come from the Book of Esther – 2:17 and 5:3. Esther 2:17 states, “…the king loved Esther more than all the woman, and she found grace and favor in his sight more than all the virgins, so that he set the royal crown on her head and made her queen instead of Vashti.” We know that Esther is one of the women from the Old Testament that represents Mary for she too is a Queen Mother. This passage though is packed full of Marian language when it says that she was loved more than all other woman and is found with grace and favor. These are nearly the identical words when the Angel Gabriel comes to Mary at the Annunciation. Esther 5:3 states, “And the king said to her, “What is it, Queen Esther? What is your request? It shall be given to you, even to the half of my kingdom.” This passage relates to Queen Esther and her intercession for the Israelites. Mary is Our Queen Mother who goes before the King to intercede for us. With this being said, let us turn our direction and understand where Mary's Queenship and Advocacy originates in the Davidic Kingdom.
The Advocating Queen Mother
In a region long known for its many nations and peoples, Israel's monarchy grew alongside those other Near East kingdoms where a human king ruled. The Israelites seeing these gentile kingdoms with their kings as head wished to be like them. God's original plan for his people was that he would be their king (1 Samuel 8:7), but the people of Israel begged, pleaded, and cried out for a human king to rule them. “We will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations” (1 Samuel 8:19-20). God in his infinite hesed (covenant love) allowed the people to have their king. However, God allows the kingdom for his glory and the glory that would come when he would send his Son to them. Allegorically, the kingdom of Israel would lead to the kingdom of God. 4 Most of the gentile cultures of the time practiced polygamy so it was difficult for a king to pick which wife would rule with him. Instead of a wife as queen, he chose his mother to be queen. Within the kingdom of ancient Israel, the king's mother was given dominion over the king's wives. The title the Queen Mother was given was the – Gebirah – or “Great Lady.” She ruled over the kingdom as queen. 5
There are many texts throughout the Old Testament scriptures that refer to the queen mother. Some of these include: 1 Kings 2:19, Jeremiah 13:18, and Proverbs 31. The queen mother played an important role all the time, but most of all in times of transition from one king to the next. As queen mother she had a great influence. 6 In 1 Kings 2:19, the queen (Bathsheba) sits at the right hand of the king (Solomon) on a seat (throne – royalty) which is brought to her. Before the seat is brought to her, the king stands to greet her and bows down showing respect for his mother and queen. “She served as an advocate, taking petitions from the people and presenting them to the people.” Ibid, p. 471. {/footnote} In Jeremiah 13:18,
the queen mother is mentioned along side of the king – “say to the king and the queen mother: Take a lowly seat, for your beautiful crown has come down from your head.” Jeremiah is prophesying that both the king and queen would eventually lose their thrones for the way they treated the people of God. It was the primary mission of the king and queen mother to serve the people and to see to their needs. Throughout the history of Israel that was not always the case. 7In Proverbs 31, we see the Esheth Yahil (woman of valor). This woman is also a queen mother, who gives advice and direction to her kingly son. The queen mother was not just a “figurehead”, but guided the king on a variety of issues he would have to face on a daily basis – serving the poor, finding a wife, and even in the field of politics. The queen mother had dominion over her son's kingdom. 8 So as we have seen the queen mother holds an executive status in the kingdom where she helps her son rule. She is venerated, coroneted, and acts as the intercessory for the people, just as Mary today for the Church.
As Hahn says, “
As a political adviser and even strategist, as an advocate for the people, and as a subject who could be counted on for frankness, the queen mother was unique in her relationship to the king. 9
Furthermore, Marie-Michel Philipon, O.P. says,
Mary, then, is queen, but queen in the way of a mother, serving all her children, guiding them in their most personal and intimate life, not so much by law and precept as by kindly prompting and persuasion, with an affectionate smile on her countenance as she goes about bestowing a mother's tender care on all her children, on the lowliest no less than on the more fortunate. In fact, the more humble and lowly her children, the more mother she is to them. And the more we put ourselves in Mary's guiding care, the more quickly she leads us up to God.
In union with Christ, Mary guides the entire Church militant on the road to the City of God. But Mary's rule is marked, above all, by the supreme grace of her motherhood. She rules and directs souls with the power of a mother's smile and the irresistible attraction of a mother's sweetness. With a mother's intuition she is ever alert, one might say, to yield to the supremely sovereign and kingly action of her son, keeping herself in the background, for even in her own sovereign rule over the universe Mary is “more mother than queen.” (St. Therese of the Child Jesus, Novissima verba, August 23, 1897). 10
The Queen Mother in Isaiah
In Isaiah's prophecy (7:14), we see the importance of the queen mother because this scripture passage has Davidic kingdom language. It's important to note since it will be the Davidic kingdom that will be fulfilled in the New Covenant with Jesus and Mary. Isaiah's prophecy comes at a time of great distress. The kingdom of Judah is on the verge of being invaded by Syria. The king of Judah, Ahaz, is scared because his kingdom is nearly over. Isaiah goes to Ahaz to reassure him that if he trusts and dedicates his kingdom to the Lord, his kingdom will be saved from the invading threat. Isaiah tells Ahaz to ask for a sign, but out of fear and testing the Lord, he refuses (Is 7:1-12). Since Ahaz refuses to ask for a sign, Isaiah gives him one anyway when he says,
Here then O house of David! Is it too late for you to weary men, that you weary my God also? Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, a virgin shall conceive and bear a son and shall call his name Emmanuel (Is 7:13-14).
This prophecy literally is speaking of “Emmanuel” as Christ and “the virgin” as Mary. This interpretation is what most Catholics adhere too. There are false interpretations, but this is not the time to speak of those. Furthermore, this interpretation is backed by the revelation we receive through the Gospel of St. Matthew (more on this shortly) when he speaks of the virginal conception of Christ in reference to Isaiah. The Church Fathers and the magisterial documents give their approval of this interpretation countless times. More so, the prophecy of Isaiah is speaking of Christ as Emmanuel. The prophecy is in direct correlation with Mary's virginity and motherhood. 11
The young woman (almah) who is conceiving and bearing the child Emmanuel (Davidic king) is understood as the mother of this king. The mother bearing this kingly child would be known as the queen mother. 12 In reference to the term – almah, there are three points I would like to make. First, the term is always a virginal context in the Old Testament. Secondly, in the Greek Septuagint, the term – parthenos – can only mean virgin. And thirdly, divine exegesis on this passage in Matthew 1 speaks of the birth that fulfills the prophecy of Isaiah.
As Carol says,
…in the other six biblical passages in which that term is used (for example, Genesis 24:43; Exodus 2:8; Canticles 1:2 and 6; Psalm 68:26; and Proverbs 30:18-19) virginity in the strict sense is implied. Furthermore, it must be recalled that the Hebrew text does not say: “Behold a virgin shall conceive and bear a son. . . ,” but more exactly and literally: “Behold the virgin (is) pregnant and (is) bearing a son. . .” In other words, the young maiden is described by the prophet as retaining her virginity while conceiving and bearing her offspring. 13
And as Peter Kreeft says,
Mary is “the Blessed Virgin”. She makes virginity blessed. This does not lessen the value of sex and marriage; it raises their value. The point of the Virgin Birth is not something negative but something positive: Christ's divinity. The Church has always taught that Mary is Aeiparthenos – “ever-virgin” – before, during, and after Christ's birth. 14
Footnotes
1. Pius XII, Ad Caeli Reginam, p. 1
2. Juniper B. Carol, O.F.M, Fundamentals of Mariology, p. 77
3. William G. Most, Queen of the Universe, p. 179
4. Scott Hahn, Hail, Holy Queen, p. 78-79.
5. Edward Sri, S.T.D, Advocate and Queen, p. 468.
6. Ibid, p. 469.
7. Ibid, p. 470.
8. Ibid, p. 469, 471.
9. Hahn, p. 82
10. Marie-Michel Philipon, O.P., More Mother Than Queen, p. 214.
11. Carol, p. 33.
12. Sri, p.473
13. Carol, p. 34
14. Peter Kreeft, Catholic Christianity, p. 407.Hi CA,
Certainly catholism needs it's apologists to explain why it has shamelessly wandered so far from the revelations of God into the foolish musings of men.Cut adrift from Christ it takes it's own path to perdition.
Come out of her lest you suffer for her sins.Quote (CatholicApologist @ Aug. 25 2009,14:07) Quote (Cato @ Aug. 25 2009,06:02) In the Bible all references to the Queen of Heaven refer to the goddess Asherah not Mary! Mary was associated with the title only after the Council of Ephesus proclaimed her such. Jer 7:18 “The children gather wood, the fathers light the fire, and the women knead the dough and make cakes of bread for the Queen of Heaven.”
Jeremiah 44:17- 19 We will certainly do everything we said we would: We will burn incense to the Queen of Heaven and will pour out drink offerings to her just as we and our fathers, our kings and our officials did in the towns of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem. At that time we had plenty of food and were well off and suffered no harm.
But ever since we stopped burning incense to the Queen of Heaven and pouring out drink offerings to her, we have had nothing and have been perishing by sword and famine.”
The women added, “When we burned incense to the Queen of Heaven and poured out drink offerings to her, did not our husbands know that we were making cakes like her image and pouring out drink offerings to her?”Jeremiah 44:25
This is what the LORD Almighty, the God of Israel, says: You and your wives have shown by your actions what you promised when you said, 'We will certainly carry out the vows we made to burn incense and pour out drink offerings to the Queen of Heaven.' “Go ahead then, do what you promised! Keep your vows!So based on scripture I would have to say Asherah has a better claim to the title.
Mary is the Gebirah (pronounced: Geb-ee-rah) of the house of David. Of course Satan has his counterfeit. He always does. But all of the queen mothers of the house of David sat at the king's right hand starting with Bathsheeba to Solomon. I am happy to bring some education to you all regarding this:The Gebirah: Our Advocating Queen Mother
Written by Thomas J. Perna
Saturday, 18 July 2009 00:00
Page 1 of 3This article will begin by examining the titles of Queen Mother and Advocate found in the Old Testament Scriptures and most importantly, the Kingdom of David. It will then focus on the Queen in the words of God's messengers. Next we will examine her roles in relation to the New Covenant and our final goal will be to demonstrate her Queenship and Advocacy in light of Sacred Tradition and the magisterial documents.
I wish to begin with a statement from an encyclical of Pius XII, Ad Caeli Reginam:
Already from the earliest centuries of the Catholic Church, the Christian people have addressed suppliant prayers and hymns of praise and veneration to the Queen of Heaven, both when they had reason to rejoice and particularly when they were beset by serious troubles. The hope placed in the Mother of the Divine King, Jesus Christ, has never failed. There has never been a weakening of that faith by which we are taught that Mary, the Virgin Mother of God, reigns with her maternal heart over the entire world, just as she is crowned with the diadem of royal glory in heavenly blessedness. 1
The Queen Mother in the Old Covenant
The Queenship of Mary finds its origins in the Old Testament scripture passage of Genesis 3:15, the Protoevangelium (first gospel). Mary, Our Queen, is understood to be in close association with Christ in the redemption of mankind after the Fall of Adam and Eve. Under and through the title of Co-Redemptrix: Mediatrix of All Grace, she shares subordinately with Christ his everlasting Kingship. Our Lord through his redemption receives his title of King and through this title he and Mary overcome the sin of Adam and Eve and transformed humanity's conquering of sin and death. 2 William G. Most best summarizes this in his article, Queen of the Universe, when he states,
Jesus is the King throughout all eternity by nature and by right of conquest; through Him, with Him, and subordinate to Him, Mary is Queen of Grace, by divine relationship, by right of conquest, and by singular choice. 3
J.B. Carol states that a few other passages in the Old Testament scriptures that have often been connected with the Queenship of Mary, however, these are not to be used for biblical arguments but only as renderings (side note: Carol says this because at the time when his book was published, 1956, the Holy Ghost had not yet conveyed Mary's Queenship through these passages). With that being said, we should look at these since they do make perfect sense for the Queenship of Mary.
The first passage is Psalm 45:10, which states, “Here, O Daughter, consider, and incline you ear; forget your people and your father's house…” The daughter is making reference to the queen. Eventually Mary is known as the Daughter of Zion. The next two passages come from the Book of Esther – 2:17 and 5:3. Esther 2:17 states, “…the king loved Esther more than all the woman, and she found grace and favor in his sight more than all the virgins, so that he set the royal crown on her head and made her queen instead of Vashti.” We know that Esther is one of the women from the Old Testament that represents Mary for she too is a Queen Mother. This passage though is packed full of Marian language when it says that she was loved more than all other woman and is found with grace and favor. These are nearly the identical words when the Angel Gabriel comes to Mary at the Annunciation. Esther 5:3 states, “And the king said to her, “What is it, Queen Esther? What is your request? It shall be given to you, even to the half of my kingdom.” This passage relates to Queen Esther and her intercession for the Israelites. Mary is Our Queen Mother who goes before the King to intercede for us. With this being said, let us turn our direction and understand where Mary's Queenship and Advocacy originates in the Davidic Kingdom.
The Advocating Queen Mother
In a region long known for its many nations and peoples, Israel's monarchy grew alongside those other Near East kingdoms where a human king ruled. The Israelites seeing these gentile kingdoms with their kings as head wished to be like them. God's original plan for his people was that he would be their king (1 Samuel 8:7), but the people of Israel begged, pleaded, and cried out for a human king to rule them. “We will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations” (1 Samuel 8:19-20). God in his infinite hesed (covenant love) allowed the people to have their king. However, God allows the kingdom for his glory and the glory that would come when he would send his Son to them. Allegorically, the kingdom of Israel would lead to the kingdom of God. 4 Most of the gentile cultures of the time practiced polygamy so it was difficult for a king to pick which wife would rule with him. Instead of a wife as queen, he chose his mother to be queen. Within the kingdom of ancient Israel, the king's mother was given dominion over the king's wives. The title the Queen Mother was given was the – Gebirah – or “Great Lady.” She ruled over the kingdom as queen. 5
There are many texts throughout the Old Testament scriptures that refer to the queen mother. Some of these include: 1 Kings 2:19, Jeremiah 13:18, and Proverbs 31. The queen mother played an important role all the time, but most of all in times of transition from one king to the next. As queen mother she had a great influence. 6 In 1 Kings 2:19, the queen (Bathsheba) sits at the right hand of the king (Solomon) on a seat (throne – royalty) which is brought to her. Before the seat is brought to her, the king
stands to greet her and bows down showing respect for his mother and queen. “She served as an advocate, taking petitions from the people and presenting them to the people.” Ibid, p. 471. {/footnote} In Jeremiah 13:18, the queen mother is mentioned along side of the king – “say to the king and the queen mother: Take a lowly seat, for your beautiful crown has come down from your head.” Jeremiah is prophesying that both the king and queen would eventually lose their thrones for the way they treated the people of God. It was the primary mission of the king and queen mother to serve the people and to see to their needs. Throughout the history of Israel that was not always the case. 7In Proverbs 31, we see the Esheth Yahil (woman of valor). This woman is also a queen mother, who gives advice and direction to her kingly son. The queen mother was not just a “figurehead”, but guided the king on a variety of issues he would have to face on a daily basis – serving the poor, finding a wife, and even in the field of politics. The queen mother had dominion over her son's kingdom. 8 So as we have seen the queen mother holds an executive status in the kingdom where she helps her son rule. She is venerated, coroneted, and acts as the intercessory for the people, just as Mary today for the Church.
As Hahn says, “
As a political adviser and even strategist, as an advocate for the people, and as a subject who could be counted on for frankness, the queen mother was unique in her relationship to the king. 9
Furthermore, Marie-Michel Philipon, O.P. says,
Mary, then, is queen, but queen in the way of a mother, serving all her children, guiding them in their most personal and intimate life, not so much by law and precept as by kindly prompting and persuasion, with an affectionate smile on her countenance as she goes about bestowing a mother's tender care on all her children, on the lowliest no less than on the more fortunate. In fact, the more humble and lowly her children, the more mother she is to them. And the more we put ourselves in Mary's guiding care, the more quickly she leads us up to God.
In union with Christ, Mary guides the entire Church militant on the road to the City of God. But Mary's rule is marked, above all, by the supreme grace of her motherhood. She rules and directs souls with the power of a mother's smile and the irresistible attraction of a mother's sweetness. With a mother's intuition she is ever alert, one might say, to yield to the supremely sovereign and kingly action of her son, keeping herself in the background, for even in her own sovereign rule over the universe Mary is “more mother than queen.” (St. Therese of the Child Jesus, Novissima verba, August 23, 1897). 10
The Queen Mother in Isaiah
In Isaiah's prophecy (7:14), we see the importance of the queen mother because this scripture passage has Davidic kingdom language. It's important to note since it will be the Davidic kingdom that will be fulfilled in the New Covenant with Jesus and Mary. Isaiah's prophecy comes at a time of great distress. The kingdom of Judah is on the verge of being invaded by Syria. The king of Judah, Ahaz, is scared because his kingdom is nearly over. Isaiah goes to Ahaz to reassure him that if he trusts and dedicates his kingdom to the Lord, his kingdom will be saved from the invading threat. Isaiah tells Ahaz to ask for a sign, but out of fear and testing the Lord, he refuses (Is 7:1-12). Since Ahaz refuses to ask for a sign, Isaiah gives him one anyway when he says,
Here then O house of David! Is it too late for you to weary men, that you weary my God also? Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, a virgin shall conceive and bear a son and shall call his name Emmanuel (Is 7:13-14).
This prophecy literally is speaking of “Emmanuel” as Christ and “the virgin” as Mary. This interpretation is what most Catholics adhere too. There are false interpretations, but this is not the time to speak of those. Furthermore, this interpretation is backed by the revelation we receive through the Gospel of St. Matthew (more on this shortly) when he speaks of the virginal conception of Christ in reference to Isaiah. The Church Fathers and the magisterial documents give their approval of this interpretation countless times. More so, the prophecy of Isaiah is speaking of Christ as Emmanuel. The prophecy is in direct correlation with Mary's virginity and motherhood. 11
The young woman (almah) who is conceiving and bearing the child Emmanuel (Davidic king) is understood as the mother of this king. The mother bearing this kingly child would be known as the queen mother. 12 In reference to the term – almah, there are three points I would like to make. First, the term is always a virginal context in the Old Testament. Secondly, in the Greek Septuagint, the term – parthenos – can only mean virgin. And thirdly, divine exegesis on this passage in Matthew 1 speaks of the birth that fulfills the prophecy of Isaiah.
As Carol says,
…in the other six biblical passages in which that term is used (for example, Genesis 24:43; Exodus 2:8; Canticles 1:2 and 6; Psalm 68:26; and Proverbs 30:18-19) virginity in the strict sense is implied. Furthermore, it must be recalled that the Hebrew text does not say: “Behold a virgin shall conceive and bear a son. . . ,” but more exactly and literally: “Behold the virgin (is) pregnant and (is) bearing a son. . .” In other words, the young maiden is described by the prophet as retaining her virginity while conceiving and bearing her offspring. 13
And as Peter Kreeft says,
Mary is “the Blessed Virgin”. She makes virginity blessed. This does not lessen the value of sex and marriage; it raises their value. The point of the Virgin Birth is not something negative but something positive: Christ's divinity. The Church has always taught that Mary is Aeiparthenos – “ever-virgin” – before, during, and after Christ's birth. 14
Footnotes
1. Pius XII, Ad Caeli Reginam, p. 1
2. Juniper B. Carol, O.F.M, Fundamentals of Mariology, p. 77
3. William G. Most, Queen of the Universe, p. 179
4. Scott Hahn, Hail, Holy Queen, p. 78-79.
5. Edward Sri, S.T.D, Advocate and Queen, p. 468.
6. Ibid, p. 469.
7. Ibid, p. 470.
8. Ibid, p. 469, 471.
9. Hahn, p. 82
10. Marie-Michel Philipon, O.P., More Mother Than Queen, p. 214.
11. Carol, p. 33.
12. Sri, p.473
13. Carol, p. 34
14. Peter Kreeft, Catholic Christianity, p. 407.
Hi CA:And so, are you saying that Mary was also without sin?
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (CatholicApologist @ Aug. 25 2009,13:37) Quote (Cindy @ Aug. 24 2009,17:56) Quote (CatholicApologist @ Aug. 24 2009,17:24) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 24 2009,16:44) Hi AC,
I can see why you worship Mary if God was her child.
But does it not make your god too small?
How dare you accuse me of this?To worship Mary is to commit mortal sin and put oneself in danger of hell fire.
You don't have a clue about what the Catholic church teaches, do you?
Maybe Nick does not, but I do since we were born into the Catholic religion. From birth until my Husband was 47 and I was 46. I am forever thankful to God that He called me out of that Church. When you say the Rosary you pray to Maria.
And you find nothing wrong with that? Also we used to believe that Maria stayed a Virgin. Not so.
Math. 1:25 and did not know Her til She had brought forth Her firstborn Son. And He called Him Jesus;
Yeah, what do you think that means? He was engaged to Her, and He did know Her? They did not have sex until after Jesus was born. Jesus also had other Brothers and Sisters.Mark 3:31,32,35.
You know we are supposed to prove all things. We never even read the Bible when wee attended the R.C.C. I don't know about now, but back then we just believed the Priest, that He for gave our Sins. Nobody but God can forgive our sins and I don;t have to go to a Priest to do so. Jesus is our Mediator between God and us.
IreneQuote From birth until my Husband was 47 and I was 46. Then for your sake, I am thankful to God that He led me to this forum.
Quote When you say the Rosary you pray to Maria.
And you find nothing wrong with that?We believe in the communion of the saints. The saints (just men made perfect) in heaven are not separated from Christ, but forever united with Him. Through our union with Christ we are able to ask these “righteous” men and women whose prayers “avail much” to pray for us. This is the most ancient apostolic tradition and thus of Divine origin.
Protestants attribute the concept of “worship” to “prayer”. We do not. Though we can worship God through prayer. Pray is an old English word meaning simply “ask”. (i.e. “I pray thee”)
The highest form of worship for the Protestant who is relatively “new on the block” is prayer. For us the highest form of worship is the high priestly act of sacrifice to God through Jesus Christ.
Quote Also we used to believe that Maria stayed a Virgin. Not so. Have you never read the first century historical book “The Protoevangelium of James”? If not, you should. While it is not Scripture per se. It is certainly commonly accepted history in all of the apostolic churches.
Quote Math. 1:25 and did not know Her til She had brought forth Her firstborn Son. And He called Him Jesus;
Yeah, what do you think that means? He was engaged to Her, and He did know Her? They did not have sex until after Jesus was born. Jesus also had other Brothers and Sisters.Mark 3:31,32,35.
“Until” does not mean that they certainly did after. No. It simply is a record of what happened up “until” the time of the birth of Christ. No more. No less. You can't find ONE Scripture claiming that Mary and Joseph ever had sex.
Quote We never even read the Bible when wee attended the R.C.C. Um…It's not technically the “Roman Catholic Church”. I am not a Roman Catholic. I am an Eastern Catholic. But I guess the Western half may choose to go by this name unofficially from time to time.
And you didn't need to read the Bible. You certainly heard it every time you attended Mass. Probably more than in most Protestant churches. O…they gave more attention to what they THOUGHT it meant. Not doubt. But I'm willing to wager that you heard more Scripture every Sunday at Mass read publicly than you do now.
Better to have the correct application of the Bible and live it's meaning than to READ it and “wrest it” to your own destruction.
Quote Nobody but God can forgive our sins and I don;t have to go to a Priest to do so. Yet we read that the Pharisees made this same accusation against Jesus. He was fully God AND fully man. He was a man who had power to forgive sins.
Have you never read that He gave this same power/authority to the apostles? Please go read John 20:22,23 again if not.
Quote Jesus is our Mediator between God and us. If you are going to apply this Scripture about the mediation of Christ to every act of intercession. Then I must before God beg you to refrain from asking anyone else to pray/intercede for you for any reason whatsoever. If you don't, you are a hypocrite. (sorry I don't know how to say it nicer…I would if I could)
I mean, can't you just go straight to God? Why ask Joe, Sally, or Suzy to “pray for you”? Is God a respecter of persons? What makes you think He will hear your friends more than He hears you?
You should tell all of your friends, “Don't pray for me! I don't need any other mediator between God and man besides Jesus…and me and Him are tight.”
Do you realize what the “Protestants” were protesting?Indulgences?
Imagine people telling you in some cases you could pay your way out of Hell
Quote Do you realize what the “Protestants” were protesting? Indulgences?
Imagine people telling you in some cases you could pay your way out of Hell
See, this is what I'm talking about. Your aversion for the Catholic faith is tolerable BECAUSE you don't even know WHAT it is.
Indulgences never have and don't PAY anyone's way out of hell. In fact, they have nothing to do with hell, but purgatory. And NO ONE in purgatory goes to hell. NO ONE!
Indulgences CANNOT be bought. That is the whole reason Tetzel's practices were condemned by the Church.
BTW, if you knew your history and actually READ Luther's 95 theses nailed to the door of the church in Wittenberg you would know that Luther BELIEVED IN INDULGENCES and admitted that the church had the right to GRANT THEM!
I encourage you to read your history…for the first time
The Gebirah: Our Advocating Queen Mother (Part 2)
Written by Thomas J. Perna
Saturday, 18 July 2009 00:00
Page 2 of 3The Advocating Queen Mother in the New Covenant
Now that we discussed the role of the Queen Mother in the Old Covenant, let us now turn our attention to the New Covenant and how her role is played out in the kingdom of God. The New Testament scriptures that we will examine are the following: The Birth of Jesus (Luke 1:26-38) and Mary Visit Elizabeth (Luke 1:39-45), The Genealogy of Jesus and the Infancy Narrative (Matthew 1 & 2), The Woman and the Dragon (Revelation 12:1-6), and The Wedding at Cana (John 2:1-12).
In his gospel, St. Luke draws many comparisons between the Davidic kingdom and the Annunciation. Mary's primary role here is the Mother of the Messiah. St. Luke writes with great detail in his gospel when he says how Mary is betrothed to a man “from the house of David.” St. Luke wants to show that Jesus is the Davidic heir. When the angel Gabriel comes to Mary, he is coming to his queen. The announcement that he proclaims fulfills the scripture passage of 2 Samuel 7 that was professed to David. Gabriel uses the term “Son of the Most High” when speaking about the child Mary would bear. This term – “Son of the Most High” was often used in the Old Covenant to describe God. Using this title for Jesus shows how he is in a direct filial relationship with God. 1 It was also a term often used to describe the Davidic king. The angel continues to explain to Mary how her child will sit on “the throne of his father David” (Luke 1:32). This is in direct correlation and fulfills what the prophet (Nathan) says “He shall build a house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever. I will be his father, and he shall be my son” (2 Samuel 7:13-14). The entire passage clearly shows that the child will be a king and that Mary will be the mother of the king. The theology of the queen mother in the New Testament finds it origin here at the Annunciation. 2 Mary's Fiat enables her role, as Co-Redemptrix and that she would be the mother of the future Davidic king. Carol says,
In a very true sense, then, God made the Redemption of the world dependent upon Mary's consent; and she gave it knowingly and willingly. This consent was undoubtedly ratified on Calvary when she stood at the foot of the cross suffering with her Son (Luke 2:35) and indeed for the selfsame purpose, namely the reconciliation of God and man. 3
Now as we look to the next passage from St. Luke's gospel, there is one line that Elizabeth says to Mary that has a great amount of royal importance to it. The title that Elizabeth greets Mary with – “the mother of my Lord” (Luke 1:43). Elizabeth's greeting is prophetic in the sense that Jesus is called Lord and it shows that he will be placed on an equal plane with God. She also realizes that the Mother of her Lord, who is to be the Messiah, is coming to greet her (this is the fulfillment of Araunah greeting David, see 2 Samuel 24:21). The title – “the mother of my Lord” not only is in reference to Jesus as Messiah, but there are some rather important implications for Mary as well. Elizabeth is saying that Mary is the mother of her king. Mary is not just the mother of Jesus, but also the mother of Jesus who is Lord, Messiah and King. 4 Simply put, Sri says, “In other words, Elizabeth, in greeting Mary as “the mother of my Lord,” refers to her as mother of the Messiah-king.” 5 Calling her the queen mother makes perfect sense to Luke since he is connecting the royal Old Testament title with Mary.
Pope Pius XII eloquently speaks on both of this Lucan verses when he says,
…the basic principle upon which Mary's royal dignity rests, a principle already evident in the documents handed down by elders long ago and in the sacred liturgy, is without doubt her divine maternity. In the sacred scriptures we read this statement about the Son whom the Virgin will conceive: “He shall be called great, and shall be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give him the throne of David his father, and he shall be king over the house of David forever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.” And furthermore, Mary is called the “Mother of the Lord”. From this it is easily deduced that she too is Queen since she brought forth a Son who, at the very moment that he was conceived, was, by reason of the hypostatic union of the human nature with the Word, even as man, King and Lord of all things. As a result, St. John Damascene could rightly and deservedly write these words: “Truly she has become the Lady ruler of every creature since she is the mother of the Creator”. And it can likewise be said that the first one who with heavenly voice announced Mary's royal office was Gabriel the Archangel himself. 6
Dr. Mark Miravalle also speaks of Mary's Advocating role as Queen Mother in the Lucan Infancy Narrative,
In the New Testament, with the establishment of Jesus Christ as the new and eternal King in the universal Kingdom of God (c.f. Lk. 1:32ff.), we also have the establishment of a new Queen Mother and Advocate, who is Mother of the King. The Virgin of Nazareth becomes the new “Great Lady” of all nations contained within the Kingdom of God, an as well becomes the new Advocate for all the peoples within this universal Kingdom. It is for this reason that her cousin Elizabeth greets Mary with the expression, “Mother of my Lord,” which was an ancient expression for the Queen Mother in the language of the ancient Semitic courts. 7
Now our attention turns to Matthew 1 & 2. Matthew begins his gospel by giving us the genealogy of Jesus Christ, which he traces back to King David. The reason Matthew does this is to show that Jesus is not just some descendent of David, but is the Son of David. Matthew's infancy narrative is grounded in the Davidic Kingdom. Matthew refers to Jesus as the “christos” (in Hebrew, masiah) five times in the first two chapters of his gospel because he wants to prove that the Jesus is the king who has been prophesied by the prophets and that he will rule over the house of David forever. He is “the son of David”. 8 After tracing his genealogy, Matthew continues to show that both Jesus and David were born in Bethlehem. He also describes the visit by the Magi who are in search of the “newborn king.” The gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh are royal in nature (see Song of Solomon 3:6). Matthew also points to the Virginal Birth of Emmanuel in Isaiah and Micah's prophecy regarding Bethlehem.
Within in the Davidic Kingdom structure, Matthew points to three ways that Jesus and his mother are royally related. Matthew first points to the prophecy of Isaiah 7:14. Mary is acknowledged as the parthenos. This speaks of the prophecy from Isaiah and how the child Emmanuel would be born of a virgin – a queen mother. Secondly, Matthew shows numerous times how the newborn king and his mother are always with one another. The passage “the child and his mother” (vs. 11, 13, 14, 20, 21) harkens back to the Davidic kingdom and how the queen mother was introduced with her kingly son. 9 And thirdly, Mary plays an important role when the magi come to visit the “king of the Jews” (2:2). Even though Joseph is mentioned many more times than Mary in the Infancy Narrative as a whole, it is she who plays the center role with Jesus. The reason why Mary plays a more important role than Joseph is because she is the Queen Mother to the Messianic King – Jesus Christ.
Let us continue now by understanding the Queen Mother in light of Revelation 12. While critics have interpreted the “woman clothed with the sun” differently – some speak of her as a representation for the People of God in the Old Testament while others see her as the representative of the people of God generally speaking. There is no doubt that the “woman clothed with the sun” is Mary. 10 The interpretation from a Marian perspective clearly identifies this woman as Mary since Revelat
ion 12 speaks of the woman as a mother of the Messiah. Once this is established and understood, Revelation 12 clearly shows the Queenship of Mary. In Part 1 of Who is the Woman of the Apocalypse?, John Haffert begins by stating,“A great portent appears in the heavens: “A woman wearing the sun for a mantle, with the moon under her feet, and wearing a crown of twelve stars.” (Apoc. 12:1)
The Church applies this passage of the book of the Apocalypse (now generally known as the book of Revelation) to the Mother of Jesus.
What title should we give to her as she appears clothed as it were in atomic power, crowned with stars and about to give birth to the reign of her Divine Son?
If we were to go through all the litanies, all the titles of Our Lady, we would probably be forced to conclude that the one title which best describes the Woman of the Apocalypse might be Queen of the World. . . as opposed to that other “great portent”, the fiery red Dragon symbolizing the power which Jesus described as belonging to the Prince of Darkness and Prince of this world.
Therefore it is little wonder that in these times, described by several of our greatest religious leaders and Popes as “apocalyptic”, the Church is emphasizing in a very special way the Queenship of Mary. 11
When we look at Revelation 12 we see various points that relate to the royalty ideas that we saw in the scripture passages above. One point of this chapter is that the son of the mother is seen as a king with a universal messianic dominion. Psalm 2 is clearly seen in Revelation 12:5 when the author speaks of a child who will “rule all the nations with a rod of iron.” As the dragon is defeated, the son is taken up to sit on a throne and is now bringing with him the kingdom of God. 12 The woman is described as a queen with magnificent tendencies. Revelation 12:1 states, “And a great sign appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars.”
To better understand the royalty theme here in Revelation, let us dissect Revelation 12:1 in greater detail. We will examine the images of the – sun, moon, and the twelve stars, the crown, and the moon under her feet. First, the sun, moon, and the twelve stars are images from the Old Testament that represent the royal dominion that the woman holds. The twelve stars on her crown represent the twelve tribes of Israel and in turn point to the twelve apostles and the Church. 13 There are a few Old Testament passages that are often related to these images, however the most profound and clear passage is from Genesis 37:9-11. This is the passage where Joseph has a dream that the sun, moon, and stars would someday bow down to him. This dream comes to fruition when Joseph holds an executive position in the court of Pharaoh. “Indeed, John's vision evokes the dream of the patriarch Joseph in the book of Genesis, of “the sun, the moon, and eleven stars…bowing down” to him (37:9). In Joseph's dream, the eleven stars stand for his brothers, his fellow tribal patriarchs.” 14 Furthermore, in Revelation 12:1, Mary is described with these powerful heavenly images. Hahn states,
Yet there's still more to Revelation's woman. For in the most glorious days of the old covenant, the twelve tribes would indeed be united, and would pay obeisance to a female royal figure; and this figure surely foreshadows the woman we meet in the Apocalypse. 15
Secondly, the crown that the woman is wearing represents her authority, dominion, and triumphant. The crown is not just some empty ornament but is a connection with the kingship of Christ. The crown denotes that the woman has a noble rank in the kingdom of her royal son. Haffert says,
The crown has been for centuries the principle emblem of royal power to such a degree that since the 9th century a King did not enter into the plentitude of his rights until after he had been crowned. The crown came to symbolize the dignity and the total rights of the King to fidelity and service.
Thus the crowning of Our Lady's image has become, by Popes and bishops and laity, a method of proclaiming the Queenship of Mary and thus showing our consecration to her. 16
Thirdly, the image of the woman with the moon under her feet also shows majestic imagery. Within the Kingdom of David, this imagery was often seen as being more powerful than ones foes. 17
The woman in Revelation 12 is clearly seen as the queen mother who gives birth to and reigns with her son – the Davidic Messianic King. She is also the geribah of the Old Testament. As queen mother in the Old Testament and now also in the New Covenant, Mary serves the Church as our advocate to the king – Jesus Christ. Miravalle states,
Mary, Queen and Advocate is the woman clothed with the sun who is also crowned with a crown of twelve stars in Revelation 12:1, referring to her Queenly role in the Kingdom which came forth from the twelve tribes of Israel and which now reigns over the twelve Apostles and all Christ's disciples in the new and universal kingdom. She is subsequently the principal intercessor for all people under the authority of Christ the King, and brings our petitioned needs to the attention of our Redeemer-King. Our Lady's Advocacy is as extensive as the Kingdom of her Son – a universal kingdom and a universal advocacy for God's people through their Queen. 18
Now that we have examined the role of Mary as queen mother through the New Testament passages that make reference to the Davidic Kingdom, let us now briefly look at the Gospel of John and his theology of the advocating queen mother at the Wedding Feast at Cana (John 2:1-11). Mary at Cana is seen as compassionate and conscientious because she has pity and mercy for the newly married couple when the wine runs out. She gently and lovingly requests Christ to intercede with his divine power. 19 As she mediated for the intercession of this young married couple, she continues to mediate for mankind today, as John Paul II says in Redemptoris Mater. 20
The Wedding Feast at Cana also displays the efficiency of Mary as the advocating queen. As queen mother, Mary looks to her royal son, Jesus Christ, and brings the needs of the couple to him. Because of the love Jesus has for his mother, he responds in a majestic way and provides a large amount of wine for the wedding feast (120 gallons). 21 Through Mary's motherly intercession and mediation in the Gospel of John, Christ performs his first sign. Furthermore, Miravalle states that,
…The new Queen Mother in the Kingdom of Christ the King performs her role as Advocate for the needs of the people of the kingdom by presenting her Kingly son with the needs of the wedding couple at Cana, and thus interceding for the first public miracle of Christ. 22
It is always through her spiritual motherhood, mediation, and co-redemption that she reconciles mankind with God. 23 The mission of Our Lady as Mother of God is:
universal mediation – this mediation is clearly seen as Mary's role as Spiritual Mother of the Mystical Body, but only in the sense that his Motherhood had a logical priority in the mind of God. In point of fact, some phases of the Mediation seem to coincide with some phases of the spiritual motherhood. In a sense, therefore, it is correct to say that Mary is our spiritual Mother because she is our Mediatrix, and also that she is our Mediatrix because she is our spiritual Mother. 24
Footnotes
1. Sri, p. 474
2. Ibid, p. 476.
3. Carol, p. 62.
4. Sri, p. 477.
5. Ibid, p. 477-478.
6. Pius XII, #34, p. 8
7. Mark Miravalle, Introduction to Mary, p. 115.
8. Sri, p. 478.
9. Ibid, p. 479.
10. Ibid, p. 481.
11. John M. Haffert, Who is the Woman of the Apocalypse?, p. 1
12. Sri, p. 481
13. Ibid, p. 482.
14. Hahn, p. 77-78
15. Ibid, p. 78.
16. Haffert, p. 11.
17. Sri, p. 482.
18. Miravalle, p. 115-116.
19. Sri, p. 485
20. John Paul II, Redemptoris Mater, #21.
21. Sri, p. 486. 22. Miravalle, p. 115.
23. Carol, p. 56.
24. Carol, p. 55.The Gebirah: Our Advocating Queen Mother (Part 3)
Written by Thomas J. Perna
Saturday, 18 July 2009 00:00
Page 3 of 3The “Advocate” in light of Sacred Tradition and the Magisterium
Sacred Tradition
Now let us turn our focus to the “Advocate” in light of Catholic tradition and the writings of the Magisterium. From the Early Church we see Mary as Advocate clearly in the writings of St. Justin Martyr, St. Irenaeus of Lyons, and Tertullian. 1 There are other Early Church Fathers and writers, but these will suffice for this paper. St. Justin Martyr speaks of Eve in a letter as the virgin who “conceived the word of the serpent” and “brought forth disobedience and death.” It is through Mary's faith and obedience to God that she destroys the serpent and sin. 2 Tertullian says in De Carne Christi, “Eve believed the serpent and conceived the Devils word; whereas Mary believed the angel and conceived in her womb the Word of God.” 3 Even though these writers make profound statements on Mary, it's St. Irenaeus that corners the market on her advocacy and how she relates to Eve —
And if the former [Eve] did disobey God, yet the latter [Mary] was persuaded to be obedient to God, in order that the Virgin Mary might become the advocate [Latin: advocata] of the virgin Eve. And thus, as the human race fell into bondage to death by means of a virgin, so it is rescued by a Virgin; virginal disobedience having been balanced in the opposite scale by virginal obedience. 4
Furthermore, he continues to relate Mary as advocate to the virginal Eve in Proof of the
Apostolic Teachings when he writes,
And just as it was through a virgin who disobeyed that man was stricken and fell and died, so too it was through the Virgin who obeyed and the word of God that man, resuscitated by life, received life. For the Lord came to seek back the lost sheep, and it was man who was lost; and therefore he did not become some other formation, but likewise of her that was descended from Adam, preserved the likeness of formation; for, Adam had necessarily to be restored in Christ; that mortality be absorbed by immortality and Eve in Mary; that a Virgin became the advocate of a virgin should undo and destroy virginal disobedience by virginal obedience. 5
Throughout the centuries, many great Catholic theologians wrote about the advocacy of Mary: St. Ephraim writes about Mary as “the friendly advocate of sinners.” 6 St. Germanus of Constantinople says about her role as advocate:
For, just as in your Son's presence you have a mother's boldness and strength, do you wish your prayers and intercessions save and rescue us from eternal punishment, for we have been condemned by our sins and do not care even to lift our eyes to heaven above. 7
St. Romanus the Singer writes, “Cease your lamentations, I shall be your advocate with my Son” to describe Mary's relationship with Adam and Eve. 8St. Bernard of Clairvaux writes about the advocacy role of Mary by saying, “You wish to have an advocate with him [Christ]? . . . Have recourse to Mary” and during an Advent homily he says, “Our Lady, our Mediatrix, our Advocate, reconcile us to your Son, commend us to your Son, represent us before you Son.” 9
Magisterial Writings
The Popes began referring to Mary as the “Advocate” in the 16th century. The Popes who used the advocacy title are: Leo X (1520), Sixtus V (1587), Clement IX (1667) and Clement XI (1708). Pope Pius X writes a prayer (Virgine Sanctissima) and says, “Ah! Do thou, our Blessed Mother, Our Queen and Advocate…”10 Pope Pius XI speaks of Mary as Advocate when he writes, “the advocate of sinners and dispenser and mediatrix of his grace.” 11 Along with the Popes, the Vatican II Council document, Lumen Gentium uses the title of Advocate in paragraph 62: “Therefore, the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix.” 12Finally, John Paul II quotes St. Irenaeus and Lumen Gentium when speaks of Mary, the Advocate caring for her children and working in union with the second and third persons of Blessed Trinity:
Mary exercises her role as “Advocate” by cooperating both with the Spirit (the Paraclete) and with the one who interceded on the Cross for his persecutors (cf. Lk 23:24), whom John calls our “advocate with the Father” (1 Jn 2:1). As a mother, Mary defends her children and protects them from the harm caused by their own sins. 13
The Queen Mother in light of Sacred Tradition and the Magisterium
Sacred Tradition
Since we have extensively examined the “Advocate” role of Mary in light of Sacred Tradition and the magisterial teachings, let us now focus and examine the queen mother in the same light as above. In regards to the Early Church, there are not many precise and transparent accounts of the Mary as our Queen. However, beginning in the 8th century and continuing to the 20th century, the writings increase dramatically from the Church Fathers and other scholastic authors and theologians. 14 The Fathers and theologians that speak of Mary as our Queen are:
St. Andrew of Crete (d. c. 727) – refers to Mary as “Regina universorum hominum” 15, St. Germain of Constantinople (d. 733), St. John Damascene (d. 749) – says Mary is the “Mother of the Creator” 16and Eadmer of Canterbury (d. 1124) frequently style Mary “Queen of the universe,” “Queen of the human race,” etc. In the Middle Ages one of the most articulate champions of Mary's royal dominion was unquestionably St. Bernadine of Siena (d. 1444). [Bernadine of Siena taught that Mary reigned over all creatures, including souls on earth, in purgatory, and in heaven, and even all devils. In her title of “Queen of Mercy”, she protects and intercedes. 17
Beginning in the 17th century, we find not only the explicit and frequent statement of the doctrine, but also its theological elaboration. The most important names in this connection are F. Suarez, S.J. (d. 1617), C de Vega, S.J. (d. 1672), and especially the Augustinian Bartholomew de los Rios (d. 1652) – “Mary's queenship as a real dominion.” 18 In the 20th century several Marian Congresses and an imposing number of bishops have only endorsed the thesis while urging the Holy See to honor Mary's Queenship with a liturgical feast similar to that of Christ the King. 19
Furthermore, St. Alphonsus Liguori gives a majestic account on the doctrine of the Queenship of Mary. St. Alphonsus thinks the Church honors Mary through her dignity as Mother of the King of Kings. She is our Queen. The King of the Universe is Jesus; therefore, the Queen is Mary. 20St. Alphonsus' doctrine of Mary lies heavily in her title as “Queen of Mercy.” He writes that Mary…
…is not a queen of justice, intent on the punishment of the wicked, but a queen of mercy, intent on commiserating and pardoning sinners. And this is the reason for which the Church requires that we should expressly call her 'the Queen of Mercy.'…St. Bernard asks why the Church calls Mary 'the Queen of Mercy'? And he replied, that 'it is because we believe that she opens the abyss of the mercy of God to whomsoever she wills, when she wills, and as she wills; so that there is no sinner, however good, who is lost if Mary protects him.'…Let us, then, fly, fly always, to the feet of this most sweet Queen, if we would be certain of salvation; and if we are alarmed and disheartened at the sight of our sins, let us remember that it is in order to save the greatest and most abandoned sinners, who recommend themselves to her, that Mary is made the Queen of Mercy. 21
Magisterial Writings
J.B. Carol states that Mary, the Blessed Lady, has been declared as “Queen” by nearly fourteen different popes. This of course has increased to probably eighteen Popes since Carol's Fundamentals of Mariology was published in 1956. He states that Gregory II (715-731) was the first to declare Mary as Queen in his papal documents. 22Sin
ce there is such a great number of Popes who have mentioned Mary as Queen in their magisterial writings, I will only quote a few.Pope Sixtus V speaks of Mary in Cum Praecelsa (1477) as “the Queen of Heaven, the glorious Virgin Mother of God, raised upon her heavenly throne.” 23 In his papal work, Ad Diem Illum (1904), Pope St. Pius X, writes that is through the redemptive work of Christ, Mary shares and participates in her role as Queen. 24And finally, Pope Paul VI in his Apostolic Exhortation, Marialis Cultus, he demonstrates the connection of Mary's queenship and her Assumption into Heaven, specifically the Solemnity of the Assumption that is celebrated on August 15. He continues to show that being an intercessory for us, to her son, Jesus Christ, our King, fulfills her queenship. In paragraph 6, he says, “On this occasion we contemplate her who, seated beside the King of ages, shines forth as Queen and intercedes as Mother.” 25
ConclusionIn conclusion, we have looked extensively at Mary as Queen Mother and as the Advocate who works in cooperation with Jesus, our Savior. Beginning in the Old Testament scriptures we examined the Gebirah – the Great Lady who sits at the right hand of her son. Calling to mind that this Great Lady will look to Mary in the New Covenant and in the Kingdom of God. We showed that this title has its origins in the Gentile kingdoms as well as in the Davidic kingdom. We looked briefly at the importance of Isaiah 7:14 – the prophecy of Emmanuel. Extensively, we examined the roles of Queen and Advocate in the New Testament scriptures, with the climax of these roles being fulfilled at the Wedding at Cana. Here Mary is our Co-Redemptrix with Christ. Lastly, we demonstrated by means of Sacred Tradition and the magisterial documents of the Popes as well as the writings of the early church fathers, scholastic authors, and theologians come to understand Mary as Advocate and Queen, specifically citing St. Alphonsus Ligouri and his thoughts on Mary as the “Queen of Mercy.”
So how as Christians should we come to Mary? We should come to her as children seeking salvation and longing to be held in our motherly arms of love and mercy. She is our not only our queen and advocate, but she is also our Mother. We need to sprint into her loving arms for it is through her that we receive Christ. The words of John 19 come to mind – “Woman, behold your Son” and “Behold, your Mother.” We as Christians must be like John who took Mary into his home. We are to bring her not just into our physical home, but also into the home, which is our heart. Mary is our Gebirah who intercedes for us as our advocating queen mother.
Footnotes
1. Sri, p. 486.
2. Ibid, p. 486.
3. Ibid, p. 486.
4. Ibid, p. 487.
5. Ibid, p. 487.
6. Ibid, p. 488.
7. Ibid, p. 488.
8. Ibid, p. 488.
9. Ibid, p. 489.
10. Ibid, p. 489.
11. Ibid, p. 489.
12. Ibid, p. 490.
13. Ibid, p. 491.
14. Carol, p. 78.
15. Sri, p. 493.
16. Ibid, p. 493.
17. Ibid, p. 494.
18. Ibid, p. 495.
19. Carol, p. 79.
20. Haffert, p. 61.
21. Ibid, p. 62, 65, 67.
22. Carol, p. 76.
23. Sri, p. 496.
24. Ibid, p. 497.
25. Ibid, p. 500.Hi CA,
Lots of words and human mysticism but little divine wisdom.But Of Jesus it says
“For there is no other name under heaven by which we can be saved….”
Hi CA,
Popes have no divine appointment but just that of men.
Rome is not known for any works of power but just fancy foolish words.The emperor is wearing no clothes.
Hi CA,
You are pushing a heavy barrow uphill trying to convert those who love the delightful words of God that wierd catholic teachings are in any way comparable.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 25 2009,16:38) Hi CA,
You are pushing a heavy barrow uphill trying to convert those who love the delightful words of God that wierd catholic teachings are in any way comparable.
Could you consolidate your short yet shallow posts please? There are those who wish to discuss things seriously.
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