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Quote (Wakeup @ April 03 2013,21:43) Quote (Resting @ April 03 2013,20:37) Quote (Wakeup @ April 03 2013,18:33) Quote (terraricca @ April 03 2013,17:24) waup Then I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having ten horns and seven heads, and on his horns were ten diadems, and on his heads were blasphemous names.
REV 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like a leopard, and his feet were like those of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. And the dragon gave him his power and his throne and great authority.
REV 13:3 I saw one of his heads as if it had been slain, and his fatal wound was healed. And the whole earth was amazed and followed after the beast;
REV 13:4 they worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “ Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?”
REV 13:5 There was given to him a mouth speaking arrogant words and blasphemies, and authority to act for forty-two months was given to him.
REV 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemies against God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, that is, those who dwell in heaven.
REV 13:7 It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him.
REV 13:8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.
REV 13:9 If anyone has an ear, let him hear.
REV 13:10 If anyone is destined for captivity, to captivity he goes; if anyone kills with the sword, with the sword he must be killed. Here is the perseverance and the faith of the saints.The Beast from the Earth
REV 13:11 Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb and he spoke as a dragon.
REV 13:12 He exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence. And he makes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose fatal wound was healed.look at what it says about that beast in verse 12
Terra.First, the 10 horned beast came up.
He was the 7th wounded head(the 6th are gone,history).
he looks like a mixed beast.leopard,bear,lion.(long explanation here).Now,details are not given exactly when the false prophet
takes over control,but we know that he is a blasphemer,and he is of the dragon. and he will only be given power by God
for 42 months.Verse 11.tells us in *detail* where *he* comes from.
He came out of the earth,because he is a man,not an empire.
And also tells us his power of miracles,and that he is supporting the first beast(the 10 horned beast).
*He* now in control will force the mark,and will call himself god. And he will sit in the temple in jerusalem.
Israel will build it for him.But war must come first to israel to destroy the dome.
wakeup.
The second beast of Rev.13 is not one person.It is more than the two kings (horns) like a lamb (leaders of fallen christianity). Its appearance is like the first beast,
Babylonic religion of the western nations of Babylon is the second beast.
It is they who will torment unsealed believers in the 5th trumpet.
Res.
Resting.Please note.
1 The dragon(satan)
2. The 10horned beast(the last world empire; the 8th beast)
that came out of the bottomless pit.3.the false prophet,the miracle man, that came out of the earth,with the two horns like a lamb.Which caused all to receive a mark,and do great miracles.
TOTAL 1+1+1=3.
REV.19:20. ONLY *TWO* CAST IN THE FIRE,AND IT MENTIONED THE BEAST(10HORNED BEAST).*(ONE)*.
AND THE FALSE PROPHET*(ONE)*. THATS IT ,NO MORE.1+1= *2*SATAN THE DRAGON IS SPARED FROM THE LAKE OF FIRE,FOR THE MOMENT.
wakeup.
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WuOne Beast in the sea (nations) but many people.
One Beast from the land (religion) but many people.
The second beast is like unto the first beast. (many people)
Both Babylon and Esau will be no more forever.
One Babylon but many people.
One Esau but many people.
You have it wrong.
why would you think one man could enforce the mark of the Beast on all of the worlds people??
Res.
The New World Order are making way for a ONE WORLD LEADER. The false prophet will LEAD and give the order.
The end time beast with the 10 horns, (his armies) will enforce it.Resting,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote One Beast in the sea (nations) but many people. Daniel 7:12 >As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.
The beasts are supported by the body…one body (Satan)…many beasts (nations)
One beast (head) only ever rules at a time…again, the body supports the necks which hold up the heads (beasts)Quote One Beast from the land (religion) but many people. God is always consistent with His metaphoric explanations…therefore beast is either nations OR religions but not both as you have done.
Quote The second beast is like unto the first beast. (many people) Disagree…the first beast has seven heads and comes from the waters (multitudes), the second beast has no such attachment and comes from the earth which is not watery multitudes but dry earth…and since earth is not water, then there is an obvious difference between the two beasts right there…earth…water…not the same at all…coming from the earth implies an individual…just like Adam came from the dust of the earth…same concept.
Quote Both Babylon and Esau will be no more forever. Agreed.
Quote One Babylon but many people.
One Esau but many people./quote]You have it wrong.
Haven't been able to find fault with Wakeup's explanation at all…fits perfectly with all the prophecies of various subjects all linking together snugly.
Quote why would you think one man could enforce the mark of the Beast on all of the worlds people?? Because God causes it to be so, therefore it is not the man by his own charisma charming the people, but this:
2 Thessalonians 2:11 >And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
Knowing God is behind it makes it more than believable…it makes it assured.
Devo.
Quote (Resting @ April 04 2013,13:49) Quote (Wakeup @ April 03 2013,21:43) Quote (Resting @ April 03 2013,20:37) Quote (Wakeup @ April 03 2013,18:33) Quote (terraricca @ April 03 2013,17:24) waup Then I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having ten horns and seven heads, and on his horns were ten diadems, and on his heads were blasphemous names.
REV 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like a leopard, and his feet were like those of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. And the dragon gave him his power and his throne and great authority.
REV 13:3 I saw one of his heads as if it had been slain, and his fatal wound was healed. And the whole earth was amazed and followed after the beast;
REV 13:4 they worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “ Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?”
REV 13:5 There was given to him a mouth speaking arrogant words and blasphemies, and authority to act for forty-two months was given to him.
REV 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemies against God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, that is, those who dwell in heaven.
REV 13:7 It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him.
REV 13:8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.
REV 13:9 If anyone has an ear, let him hear.
REV 13:10 If anyone is destined for captivity, to captivity he goes; if anyone kills with the sword, with the sword he must be killed. Here is the perseverance and the faith of the saints.The Beast from the Earth
REV 13:11 Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb and he spoke as a dragon.
REV 13:12 He exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence. And he makes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose fatal wound was healed.look at what it says about that beast in verse 12
Terra.First, the 10 horned beast came up.
He was the 7th wounded head(the 6th are gone,history).
he looks like a mixed beast.leopard,bear,lion.(long explanation here).Now,details are not given exactly when the false prophet
takes over control,but we know that he is a blasphemer,and he is of the dragon. and he will only be given power by God
for 42 months.Verse 11.tells us in *detail* where *he* comes from.
He came out of the earth,because he is a man,not an empire.
And also tells us his power of miracles,and that he is supporting the first beast(the 10 horned beast).
*He* now in control will force the mark,and will call himself god. And he will sit in the temple in jerusalem.
Israel will build it for him.But war must come first to israel to destroy the dome.
wakeup.
The second beast of Rev.13 is not one person.It is more than the two kings (horns) like a lamb (leaders of fallen christianity). Its appearance is like the first beast,
Babylonic religion of the western nations of Babylon is the second beast.
It is they who will torment unsealed believers in the 5th trumpet.
Res.
Resting.Please note.
1 The dragon(satan)
2. The 10horned beast(the last world empire; the 8th beast)
that came out of the bottomless pit.3.the false prophet,the miracle man, that came out of the earth,with the two horns like a lamb.Which caused all to receive a mark,and do great miracles.
TOTAL 1+1+1=3.
REV.19:20. ONLY *TWO* CAST IN THE FIRE,AND IT MENTIONED THE BEAST(10HORNED BEAST).*(ONE)*.
AND THE FALSE PROPHET*(ONE)*. THATS IT ,NO MORE.1+1= *2*SATAN THE DRAGON IS SPARED FROM THE LAKE OF FIRE,FOR THE MOMENT.
wakeup.
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WuOne Beast in the sea (nations) but many people.
One Beast from the land (religion) but many people.
The second beast is like unto the first beast. (many people)
Both Babylon and Esau will be no more forever.
One Babylon but many people.
One Esau but many people.
You have it wrong.
why would you think one man could enforce the mark of the Beast on all of the worlds people??
Res.
Resting.One Beast in the sea (nations) but many people.UNQUOTE:
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LETS BE MORE CLEAR ABOUT THIS.
ONE BEAST,AND MANY HEADS.(7HEADS).(7MOUNTAINS).
THE BEAST IS ALSO THE DRAGON,AND THE MANY HEADS ARE HIS EMPIRES; 8 EMPIRES IN TOTAL.
EGYPT,ASSYRIA,BABYLON,MEDO PERSIA,GREECIA,ROME,END TIME ROME (NOW),AND OUT OF THIS WILL COME OUT(TRANSFORM) THE *8TH*HEAD,THE NWO.
EMPIRES CONSISTS OF POPULATIONS.One Beast from the land (religion) but many people.UNQUOTE:
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THE 2HORNED BEAST OUT OF THE EARTH,IS NOT A CERTAIN PEOPLE;BUT HE IS A MAN,AND REV.19:20 TELLS US THAT HE IS THE FALSE PROPHET. 2THESS 2 ALSO TELLS US THAT HE IS THE SON OF PERDITION WITH ALL THE LYING WONDERS. ONE MAN ONLY DOES ALL THE WONDERS,LIKE FIRE COMING FROM HEAVEN.THIS MAN WILL ENFORCE THE MARK UPON ALL ON EARTH,HE WILL CALL HIMSELF GOD.The second beast is like unto the first beast. (many people)
UNQUOTE:
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SATAN IS ONE; AND YET HE IS A BEAST;THE DRAGON TO ME IS ALSO A BEAST.NOT NECESSARY A PEOPLE.Both Babylon and Esau will be no more forever.UNQUOTE:
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BABYLON IS THE WORLD; EDOM IS THE CHRISTIAN WORLD SELLING THEIR INHERITANCE FOR THE MATERIAL,JUST AS ESAU DID.One Babylon but many people.UNQUOTE:
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I AGREE HERE, THE WORLD CONSIST OF MANY PEOPLE.One Esau but many people.UNQUOTE:
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THE CHRISTIAN WORLD CONSIST OF MANY PEOPLE.wakeup.
Hi,
Before anyone gets too paranoid how can am rfd chip in the skin be the MARK scripturally?wars and rumours of wars?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 26 2014,06:32) Hi,
Before anyone gets too paranoid how can am rfd chip in the skin be the MARK scripturally?wars and rumours of wars?
Nick.You are not one of them are you?
What else can it be?
The scriptures said it clearly.
Have you got any idea?wakeup.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 26 2014,16:00) Hi WU,
No answers there
Nick.You have no idea, but many disagreements.
wakeup.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 26 2014,16:12) Hi WU,
Only with the false teachers
Nick.False teachers in your opinion.
You have no idea between true and false.wakeup.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 26 2014,21:27) Hi WU,
The scriptures show us who clings to them
Nick.Good;so show us the scriptures.
wakeup.
Hi WU,
God is not a God of confusion. Thy Word is truth.
Every important truth has witnesses.
2Cor 13.1Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter
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