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The Bible is singularly different from the writings of other ancient people in that its references to uncanny powers and magical arts are all condemnatory. Nowhere does it recommend “white” magic to cancel spells of “black” magic. Rather, it urges faith, prayer, and trust in Jehovah as the protection against unseen “wicked spirit forces” and all their related activities, including magical influences. (Eph 6:11-18) In the Psalms the righteous pray for deliverance from evil; Jesus taught us to pray for deliverance “from the wicked one.” (Mt 6:13) The Talmud and the Koran, on the other hand, give way to superstition and fear. The Apocryphal book of Tobit contains absurd passages of magic-working sorcery.—Tobit 6:5, 8, 9, 19; 8:2, 3; 11:8-15; 12:3
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 08 2008,19:06) Hi Stu,
Would you have been happier if Genesis was an astronomy lesson?
Hi NickThe truth is indifferent to my happiness.
Genesis is indifferent to the truth.Stuart
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 09 2008,19:18) Hi Stu,
There are more important messages than the details of creation.
So you no longer require Genesis to be literally true?Stuart
Hi Stu,
God wrote scripture and expresses what He wants to be said and established.
There have always been different variations in truth and in the way it is expressed.
Parables probably never happened but contain more truth than some can bear.Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 09 2008,19:31) Hi Stu,
God wrote scripture and expresses what He wants to be said and established.
There have always been different variations in truth and in the way it is expressed.
Parables probably never happened but contain more truth than some can bear.
Do you think god approves of the creationist movement in the US that tells lies on his behalf?Stuart
Quote (david @ April 09 2008,17:25) The Bible is singularly different from the writings of other ancient people in that its references to uncanny powers and magical arts are all condemnatory. Nowhere does it recommend “white” magic to cancel spells of “black” magic. Rather, it urges faith, prayer, and trust in Jehovah as the protection against unseen “wicked spirit forces” and all their related activities, including magical influences. (Eph 6:11-18) In the Psalms the righteous pray for deliverance from evil; Jesus taught us to pray for deliverance “from the wicked one.” (Mt 6:13) The Talmud and the Koran, on the other hand, give way to superstition and fear. The Apocryphal book of Tobit contains absurd passages of magic-working sorcery.—Tobit 6:5, 8, 9, 19; 8:2, 3; 11:8-15; 12:3
David,Did you read the thread on magic? Throughout the Bible God's prophets and holy men used magic. Divination being common and in several instances curses that would rival the blackest of magic. Elisha cursed children who mocked him and bears attack and killed or maimed them. Joseph practiced divination (scrying) using a silver cup. Hebrew priests created potions to curse female adulterers, the same priests would use tokens (Umman) to determine God's will. Daniel was named master of magicians. The three wisemen were magi, need I go on?
Hi cato,
God works in many ways.
But there has always been illicit use of powers outside of the blessing of God.Genesis 41:8
And it came to pass in the morning that his spirit was troubled; and he sent and called for all the magicians of Egypt, and all the wise men thereof: and Pharaoh told them his dream; but there was none that could interpret them unto Pharaoh.
9When Pharaoh shall speak unto you, saying, Shew a miracle for you: then thou shalt say unto Aaron, Take thy rod, and cast it before Pharaoh, and it shall become a serpent.10And Moses and Aaron went in unto Pharaoh, and they did so as the LORD had commanded: and Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh, and before his servants, and it became a serpent.
11Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments.
12For they cast down every man his rod, and they became serpents: but Aaron's rod swallowed up their rods.
God did not give authority for all men to do these things outside of his Word.
Quote Throughout the Bible God's prophets and holy men used magic. No, unless my understanding of that word has changed.
Ok, let's get specific here. When you say “magic” you mean “majick” or “magick” or “majik.”
The Bible does not say in any way that God's prophets used “magic.”Quote (david @ April 10 2008,09:43) Quote Throughout the Bible God's prophets and holy men used magic. No, unless my understanding of that word has changed.
Ok, let's get specific here. When you say “magic” you mean “majick” or “magick” or “majik.”
The Bible does not say in any way that God's prophets used “magic.”
So divination and curses are not considered magic?Hi cato,
The first mention of magic is in Gen 418 And it came to pass in the morning that his spirit was troubled; and he sent and called for all the magicians of Egypt, and all the wise men thereof: and Pharaoh told them his dream; but there was none that could interpret them unto Pharaoh.
Number 2748
Transliteration:
chartom {khar-tome'}
Word Origin:
from the same as 2747
TWOT:
738b
Part of Speech:
noun masculine
Usage in the KJV:
magician 11Total: 11
Definition:
diviner, magician, astrologer
engraver, writer (only in derivative sense of one possessed of occult knowledge)Quote (kejonn @ April 09 2008,22:39) Did Nick just say that the creation story in Genesis is just a parable?
If it 'takes more than a superficial reading' of a book that plainly outlines the events in an indisputable order, then it must be allegorical. Interesting admission by Nick.Stuart
Hi Stu,
No doubt scientists will get it wrong.
Whatever God needs us to know is written-in many ways.Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 10 2008,21:19) Hi Stu,
No doubt scientists will get it wrong.
Whatever God needs us to know is written-in many ways.
Scientists will get what wrong?Stuart
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 10 2008,21:21) Hi Stu,
You got it.
What? Are you being allegorical too now Nick?Stuart
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