magic..

[Stu]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 08 2008,18:37)

Hi Stu, Women's weekly version? No. Gen1 14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

So the stars are IN the firmament. What does that mean?

By the way, there is only one 'light' that divides day from night, so the use of the plural is incorrect.

Stuart

[NickHassan]

Hi Stu,
Would you have been happier if Genesis was an astronomy lesson?

[Cato]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 08 2008,10:43)

Hi cato, And God gave us the stars for signs. Urim and Thummin were used. Drawing lots showed the will of God too. It was even used by the disciples. God uses multiple means to show His plan and His will among His people. But apart from Him things are not of faith and thus of sin.

So parts of what you generically call Magic is acceptable.

Astrology  signs in the stars
Divination  Urim and Thummin, drawing lots
Joseph could also scry in a silver cup
Elisha could curse children who mocked his baldness
Daniel can be master of magicians
Hebrew priests can make potions and curse sinners

So a blanket prescription against magic is obviously mistaken.  So it appears magic (other then necromancy) is evidently ok if your reasons and purposes serve God.

[kejonn]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 08 2008,02:06)

Would you have been happier if Genesis was an astronomy lesson?

I would be happier if it was closer to reality since it is supposed to be the infallible word of Yahweh.

[kejonn]

Cato,

Don't forget, Yahweh is “above the law” so if he or one of his servants does something “sinful”, it is not really wrong.

[NickHassan]

Hi KJ,
You are clearly unfamiliar with scripture.

[Not3in1]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 09 2008,06:55)

Hi KJ, You are clearly unfamiliar with scripture.

It would be better to tell Kevin why he is supposedly unfamiliar with scripture? I'd like to know, too. I think Kevin is pretty well studied.

Is what he said wrong? If so, why?
Thanks

[NickHassan]

Hi not3,
If I believed he was truly ignorant I would.

[kejonn]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 08 2008,13:55)

Hi KJ, You are clearly unfamiliar with scripture.

Sadly, I am probably much more familiar than yourself.

[NickHassan]

Hi KJ,
Then why do you not believe it?

[charity]

Don't think you can hear us Nick?

so feels like, we've walked into an Antique store to ask if theres anthing new?

the days are in fear just to dwindle away to “complete darkness”

[kejonn]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 08 2008,18:05)

Hi KJ, Then why do you not believe it?

Did you know that many atheists were former Christians who really started reading the OT with an open mind? Fortunately for me, I still hold fast to God, just not Yahweh. That name represents the Hebrew view of God which I can not agree with.

[NickHassan]

Hi Kj,
Which god?

[kejonn]

Yahweh. That name represents a brutal being with many of the base morals of his followers.

[charity]

Approval empowered by. Numbers

David fought against the determined spirits of men that desired to rule the nations, even Moses Laws made men relentless, determined, whom under law would not negotiate; they demand all to bow before them. What can you do to remain free in birthright?
David had no choice but to retaliate or bow.

There is really only One God, in hindsight, with battles that split him according to his nature?
Hint Hint! That which is good and closest to resemble substance of God ,is that which allows peace and dose not desire to control the Nations, any other is wicked desires of cruel men

[Not3in1]

Charity,
Do you think David is God?

[charity]

Quote (Not3in1 @ April 09 2008,15:39)

Charity, Do you think David is God?

NO, God is substance, THINGS NOT SEEN,
David is TITLED SHOULD BE… Lord god The King, the bible translaters may have done better if they had not confused the
Lord gods, with the Lord God,
and heavenly hosts, King of kings

[Not3in1]

Gotch'a.
Thanks for clearing that up sis.

[NickHassan]

Hi charity,
David calls Jesus his lord.
Jesus is the Lord of lords
and David his servant.

Mark 12:37
David therefore himself calleth him Lord; and whence is he then his son? And the common people heard him gladly.

Luke 1:32
He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

Luke 1:69
And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;

[charity]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 09 2008,16:52)

Hi charity, David calls Jesus his lord. Jesus is the Lord of lords and David his servant. Mark 12:37 David therefore himself calleth him Lord; and whence is he then his son? And the common people heard him gladly. Luke 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: Luke 1:69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;

Nothing IS use full to me, Unless I HAVE ACOMPLESHED how I shall stand up AGAIN from within my grave?
Least what use is any host or lord?
I CONSIDER NO MAN HAS TIME TO CHASE ANOTHER MANS TALE AROUND,
WHOS LUKE?
WHOS MARK? WHY DO THEY HAVE POSSETION OF EYE WITNESS ACCOUNTS?

and
Act 26:8  Why should it be thought a thing incredible with you, that God should raise the dead?

where is Jesus?
Hsa 3:5 Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.

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