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This is love:
Quote 1 Corinthians 13
1Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.2And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
3And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
4Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
5Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
6Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
7Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
8Charity never faileth:
When someone who is a brother in Christ offends us we have the responsibility of going to that person and letting him or her that they have offend us and thereby giving them the opportunity to repent.
This is the procedure outlined in Matthew 18:
Quote Matthew 18:15Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (shimmer @ Nov. 16 2010,16:26) Something else I have noticed….There are many people who I have seen on this and othernforums who have Amazing bible knowledge, they can pull verses out so easily, they do HUGE posts, they must know scripture off by heart, really. But with all that they know they have become deaf to its true spiritual message of love of one another etc. So knowing scripture well means nothing.
shimmeryou are so right ,but this will only apply wen you have physical contact in a way that you see and interact with that person.
it would be almost imposible to do an examination on the internet,no?
except for what a person writes there is not much,right?
Pierre
Quote (mikeangel @ Nov. 16 2010,09:32) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 16 2010,08:43) Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 15 2010,19:56) Hi Ed. Those are good verses, the first ones I think about, except my bible says love, yours says charity ?
Hi Shimmer,Can someone show you Love without actions?
That is because: Charity is: Love with actions!
What bible ‘version’ are you using? (Isa.40:8)Can a man have faith without works?
Show me thy faith without thy works, and I will
show thee my faith by my works. (James 2:18)Psalm 12:6-7 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them (In The AKJV Bible) from this generation for ever.
Isaiah 28:11: For with stammering lips and another tongue(That is English) will he speak to this people.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Good post also Ed. Love in Christ to you also-Mark
Hi Mark,Thank you.
It's not the doctrine that we adhere to that makes us “Christian”,
but that we do “God's Will” by loving each other! (John 13:34-35)God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Marty, good verses. So if you have tried and tried in those exact ways with another believer, and nothing has changed, how do you make them as a publican and heathen ? What does that even mean ?
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 16 2010,15:48) shimmer you are so right ,but this will only apply wen you have physical contact in a way that you see and interact with that person.
it would be almost imposible to do an examination on the internet,no?
except for what a person writes there is not much,right?
Pierre
Terrarica, sort of, but spiritually people can get really close over the internet. So really, no. People can have a huge influence on others.Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 16 2010,19:21) Hi Marty, good verses. So if you have tried and tried in those exact ways with another believer, and nothing has changed, how do you make them as a publican and heathen ? What does that even mean ?
Hi Shimmer:It means that you do not have any thing to do with them until they repent.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (terraricca @ Nov. 16 2010,08:31) Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 15 2010,15:10) Terrarica, Jesus main message was this…To love God and to love neighbour. Our neighbor is anyone who we encounter day to day. People we meet, family, friends, strangers, people who we talk to here on the internet. Jesus forgave and Jesus told us to forgive, how many times ? 70×7 which means theres no limit.
Jesus also said to love all his people. Not just some, not just a few. How can the body of Jesus, his people be divided ? No.
If there are 30 believers here, and a person only loves 20 of them and hates the others, then they have taken the side of hate which is not of God. Even if they hate one.
If a person loved equally all those 30, they have chosen the way of love, which IS of God. See ?
So people example here analyze God and Gods son but fail to hear what they say and do what they say to do.
1st John 2
“This is how we know that we know him: if we keep his commandments. One who says, “I know him,” and doesn't keep his commandments, is a liar, and the truth isn't in him. But whoever keeps his word, God's love has most certainly been perfected in him. This is how we know that we are in him: he who says he remains in him ought himself also to walk just like he walked.
Brothers, I write no new commandment to you, but an old commandment which you had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which you heard from the beginning. Again, I write a new commandment to you, which is true in him and in you; because the darkness is passing away, and the true light already shines. He who says he is in the light and hates his brother, is in the darkness even until now. He who loves his brother remains in the light, and there is no occasion for stumbling in him. But he who hates his brother is in the darkness, and walks in the darkness, and doesn't know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.
shimmerif i walk on the road and there is accident and in one car the are caucasians and in the other vehicle there are blacks .and now i give help to the caucasian one but not to the other people,
did i show love in my hearth??no i have show judgement.
i have helped and did good no ??no i have shown racism.the good Samaritan story shows that it is what you do in your hearth that is important loving God is the process of love in action not in words,do to others what you want others do to you,well did not God show you the way? he forgives your sin and show the way to save your live from dead ,well do to others the same thing.that is love,godly love.
Jas 2:26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.
what is showing your love toward s God and your fellow man,YOUR DEEDS.
Pierre
That is a good point. I like to tell all of you a story. In 1955 when we came from Germany on a Boat, a German Man put us on a Bus to come to Cincinnati. We spoke no English at all. In Germany we always liked to sit in the back of a Bus. So that is what we did….My Parents sat in one Seat together and I set next to a black man. I still remember His biggest smile. He offered me my first Potato Chip. I also remember all the white folks looking after us, with grim faces. What we did not know at the time, that only the blacks went in the back of the Bus. They were not aloud to sit in the front….The white people had no love in their hearts. It went on even when we bought our second Home and moved to a part of the City where also blacks where living… Our former neighbors thought we where crazy…. We never were racists. Some of the blacks are more loving then some of the whites….It is much better today, but now we have reversed discrimination….So wrong and so sad…Peace IreneQuote (942767 @ Nov. 17 2010,11:45) Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 16 2010,19:21) Hi Marty, good verses. So if you have tried and tried in those exact ways with another believer, and nothing has changed, how do you make them as a publican and heathen ? What does that even mean ?
Hi Shimmer:It means that you do not have any thing to do with them until they repent.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Ok. Thanks. Thats helped me with something.Terrarica and Irene, those were good posts and stories.
I grew up in NZ, there are European and Maori here. So I was always friends with the Maori for some reason, they picked me always to be their friends, my parents moved alot. But I lived with Maori as well, they took me into their family when I was younger. Two families did at different times in my life. When I grew older and had my own family, neighbours were always Maori. I loved them. One called me Daughter, He would check on us, make sure we were safe. Another would share food etc. Give gifts too. Another lady was all on her own, a grandmother who had her grandchildren living with her..I was her only friend where we lived, she was really alone. Her grandaughter called me mum. We were close. (She died, so sad). But it is whats in your heart, not what others do.
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 15 2010,17:09) Hi Shimmer, Charity is: Love in action!
1Cor.13:3-8 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though
I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
Charity suffereth long, is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not
itself, is not puffed up, Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not
her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; Rejoiceth not in
iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; Beareth all things, believeth all
things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. Charity never fails.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjyour version in scriptures must come from a Catholic translation???
1Co 13:3 If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.
1Co 13:4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.
1Co 13:5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.
1Co 13:6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
1Co 13:7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
1Co 13:8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away;NIVi always wander what is the difference between Love for God,and charity?
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 22 2010,07:18) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 15 2010,17:09) Hi Shimmer, Charity is: Love in action!
1Cor.13:3-8 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though
I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
Charity suffereth long, is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not
itself, is not puffed up, Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not
her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; Rejoiceth not in
iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; Beareth all things, believeth all
things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. Charity never fails.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjyour version in scriptures must come from a Catholic translation???
1Co 13:3 If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.
1Co 13:4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.
1Co 13:5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.
1Co 13:6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
1Co 13:7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
1Co 13:8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away;NIVi always wander what is the difference between Love for God,and charity?
Pierre
I don't mean to interrupt, but pierre- nope- Catholic bible says Love.Charity is an expression of Love for fellow man and God IMO. Godbless- Mark
Quote (mikeangel @ Nov. 23 2010,06:19) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 22 2010,07:18) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 15 2010,17:09) Hi Shimmer, Charity is: Love in action!
1Cor.13:3-8 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though
I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
Charity suffereth long, is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not
itself, is not puffed up, Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not
her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; Rejoiceth not in
iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; Beareth all things, believeth all
things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. Charity never fails.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjyour version in scriptures must come from a Catholic translation???
1Co 13:3 If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.
1Co 13:4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.
1Co 13:5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.
1Co 13:6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
1Co 13:7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
1Co 13:8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away;NIVi always wander what is the difference between Love for God,and charity?
Pierre
I don't mean to interrupt, but pierre- nope- Catholic bible says Love.Charity is an expression of Love for fellow man and God IMO. Godbless- Mark
Markso you mean charity is a tool of love ,
but what kind of love,i know many loves???
Pierre
Hi Ed.
Seeing your the only one here last time I looked, heres something I found…
The Five Languages of Apology; Dr. Gary Chapman
1. Expressing Regret:
This can be using words such as, “I am Sorry.” When you use these words to express sorrow, it expresses your own guilt, shame, and pain for your actions that have hurt others. Doing this is a necessary ingredient to a good relationship. For some people, “sorry” is the cure-all while it will not work for others. You must be specific when apologizing, and you must leave out the “BUT”. Starting an apology with, “I am sorry, but”… will not work to restore the relationship. When you do this, it goes from being an apology to an attack because you are shifting the blame. An attack will only lead to more strife, not to reconciliation.
2. Accepting Responsibility:
This is difficult for most people. Admitting wrong is oftentimes misconstrued as a weakness by others. According to Dr. Chapman psychologists have concluded that if a child is humiliated and condemned for wrong doing, it is linked to their sense of self-worth. The child will then grow up with an emotional link between their self-worth and wrong behavior, determining that confessing their faults is bad behavior. Paul Meyer, co-author of Chicken Soup for the Golden Soul, says, “One of the most important success factors is the willingness to admit that you were wrong”. We would all be more successful today if we adopted this principal.
Mature adults learn to accept accountability for wrong behavior. Immature adults tend to downplay or rationalize their wrong actions. They blame others and will not admit to doing anything wrong.3. Making Restitution:
This means to make things right. It is such an awful feeling to go through life knowing that you have hurt or offended someone, or that someone has hurt or offended you. You want restitution. The proof of a sincere apology is having an eagerness to do something to resolve the pain that you have inflicted on someone.
“Sorry” may not be enough of an apology for some people. Sometimes, people will only be satisfied with restitution, a repayment for an offense. For example, if a loved one was physically violated, hearing the offender say “I am sorry” may not be enough. Seeing that person in prison is the recompense that will allow them to be happy and be able to move on.4. Genuine Repentance:
Repentance means to turn around, to change one's mind. Don't make the same mistake over and over. When a mistake or an offense is repeated consistently, there is no genuine repentance in practice. If someone in the relationship has hurt you emotionally or physically over and over; simply saying “Sorry” will not cut it. You need to know that this person has changed and that they will stop hurting you. Sincere repentance starts with the heart before it can be an action.
5. Forgiveness:
Forgiving someone is to exonerate or pardon them from the wrong they have caused you. This is the hardest part for the majority of people to do. True forgiveness is the ability to forgive a person no matter how horrible the offense you have suffered. Forgiveness starts with a request to be forgiven. By requesting forgiveness, it shows that you want the relationship fully restored. An apology is an attempt to bring down barriers that have kept the relationship distant.
The person asking for forgiveness realizes that have caused someone to be offended. People who are controlling have difficulty asking for forgiveness. This is because if they do, they will feel as though they are losing power.
The power of apology will restore broken relationships and produce great, meaningful life-long friendships, marriages, and parent-child relationships. It will also impact day to day encounters with people outside of your circle. Genuine apologies will soften even the toughest and most stubborn hearts. A soft answer turns away wrath. (Proverbs 15:1, KJV)Hi Shimmer,
Thanks for the nice heart felt Post!
Hey, were did ya that cool color of Gold?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgP.S. The last one on forgiveness reminded me of the amish . When that crazy guy burst into thier school and murdered 10+ kids, it was so horrible that they razed the building. But, the incredible witness to me was they took food to his widow (he commited suicide) and forgave him.
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 15 2010,17:09) Hi Shimmer, Charity is: Love in action!
1Cor.13:3-8 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though
I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
Charity suffereth long, is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not
itself, is not puffed up, Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not
her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; Rejoiceth not in
iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; Beareth all things, believeth all
things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. Charity never fails.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edj1Co 13:3 If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.
1Co 13:4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.
1Co 13:5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.
1Co 13:6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
1Co 13:7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
1Co 13:8 Love never fails
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