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Quote (Wispring @ April 04 2011,05:29) I would say the opposite of hate is compassion
I agree with that.Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 04 2011,05:57) so we need to examine what DRIVES compassion. Compassion is another word for Mercy driven by a feeling of sorrow for another.
I believe that is the Holy Spirit.You no longer think of the self but of others. Which is one of the greatest commandments.
Quote GOD IS LOVE. God is.
Shimmer………..You are right, compassion is a result of Love, Love is a SPIRIT (intellect) it is the result of all of GOD'S Seven Spirits, Intellects, remember scripture say “FOR YOU ARE SORROWED UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS “, AND AGAIN “GODLY SORROW WORKS REPENTANCE NOT TO BE REPENTED OF. God shed his love around in our hearts by His seven intellects causing us to IMAGE HIM. Our perceptions change with the addition of His Holy Spirits. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………………..gene
I agree. And God is a Spirit. And God is love. And we were made in Gods image. And Jesus was in Gods image. Lot's of thing's to think about here. And it makes me wonder WHAT people are talking about when they say God punishes people forever in hot fiery torment?
There is NO FEAR in Gods love. For perfect love casts away all fear. And if you do not know love you do not know God, it say's.Wispring,
We were created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness but then mankind went in search of many schemes and God handed us over to those schemes. Jesus came to release us from those bonds if we truly made God our God by resisting the evil schemes of the Adversary.
John 3
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.One of those schemes is a corrupted form of love that enables evil doers. That is what you seem to be advocating when you speak of unconditional love. God does love his enemy and hopes they change their way and live. It is to that purpose that he has sent his prophets and even the One in who he put his Spirit. Just as Jesus was angered by those of unrepentant hearts, so is God.
Mark 3
5And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other.
I suppose you can state that God loves those that refuse to repent and so puts them out of their misery by throwing them into Gehenna. I am not sure that is correct but I believe it is close enough since Jesus taught us to repent of perish.
If I am not correct about what you mean by unconditional love then please would you share your definition? Thank you!
Note: All scriptures from King James version of Scripture.
Hi Kerwin,
Jesus teaching us to love one another as we love ourselves as we love God and God loves us defines unconditional love. Loving your enemy defines unconditional love. The story of the prodigal son defines unconditional love. God loving the righteous and the sinner alike defines unconditional love. God wanting the sinner to change his ways and to go with God and his ways is an aspect of unconditional love. Matthew 5:43-48 defines unconditional love. I can understand trying to attach a moral code to God's love. However, a moral code simply defines right and wrong doing. Evil and good actions. A moral code is attached to a law. One can unconditionaly love and still abide by a moral code. Unconditional Love see's all thing's as equal and divine justice is served in the scales of perfect judgement by God's laws. of moral and righteous conduct. Unconditional love does not enable evil doers. Those who enable evil doers become doers of evil themselves in the very act of enabling. Those who choose to do evil by the very definition of love have left God's love and presence. Such is the Adversary. The adversary wants you to confuse desire(want/wish) with love. Hope this more clearly delineates what I am meaning by unconditional love.
With Love and Respect,
WispringKerwin………You view of (SELF) repentance as a prerequisite for God's love is somewhat different from scriptures that say GOD so Loved us that while we were yet sinners he shed is love on us. Remember when David said “blessed is the man in hum the LORD will impute NO Sin, whose iniquities He has covered. So it seem God does extend his love to us even when we sin, But God love does not mean he condones our sins but his love will bring His correcting Hand into our lives and he does disciplines us and even scourge us at time to correct our wrong behavior. I believe God love us even if we sin Kerwin, but in no way does that mean we have a license to sin just because He loves us.
Kerwin God loved the world even when sin was in the world that is why he Sent Jesus into the world to be a propitiation for our sins and not ours only it says but the sins of the whole world, we are told. I do see you point though some can take it that sin is acceptable with GOD but we Know it is no acceptably with him and we all need with his help to correct any wrong behavior we have , But i believe GOd love remains constant for all His creation and in this sense it is unconditional love , How could GOD be anything else because we are told He IS Love. God's Love is not willing that any Parish, and the Lord HATES the Putting away.
The bottom line is what you love you keep “THE LORD BLESS AND KEEP YOU MAKE HIS FACE TO SHINE ON YOU AND BE GRACIOUS UNTO YOU , THE LORD LIFT UP HIS COUNTENANCE UPON YOU AND GIVE YOU PEACE”. Put my name out this way and i then will bless them says the eternal GOD. Kerwin no truly converted person will believe it is OK to continue to SIN. That does not mean thought we still do n ot have sin in our lives at times brother. But you know all that anyway.
To me is it simple this , what you LOVE You hang on to and what you Hate you will reject, It is all abut LOVE and HATE , So we need to Hate the evil and LOVE the Good. And if we hate the evil in our lives we will reject it and seek to remove it for our lives If we Love the Good we will seek to hold on to it and add it into our lives. So Hate the sin but Not the sinner Like Jesus said He hated the DEEDS of some but he did not say he hated them did he, we need to be the same way IMO.
Peace and LOVE to you and yours Kerwin…………………………………..gene
Wispring,
I assume you do not realize you inadvertantly called God immoral. One is eather immoral or moral and the way they live is their code. If God does not have a moral code it therefore follows his code is immoral.
Love is a moral code and God commands each of us to do it. You can only love as God love if through faith you live by the Spirit of Christ. If you choose not to believe that, then the consequences are on you.
The rest of what you state I will try to answer in a later post to all.
Kerwin,
No I didn't. You read that in.That's what you get for assumingWith Love and Respect,
WispringQuote (Wispring @ April 06 2011,10:43) Kerwin,
No I didn't. You read that in.That's what you get for assumingWith Love and Respect,
Wispring
Wispring,You did call God immoral, but I believe you did because you are blinded to what the words you stated actually meant.
You are trying to express and idea but you are doing it poorly as you seem not to know what the words you are stating mean.
From what you say it sounds as if you believe law is evil and that is absurd. A command is an order, just look it up in the dictionary. Scripture clearly states that God ordered us to love as he loves and he does not do evil.
Wordiq.com reads:
Quote Moral codes (see Morality) are often complex statements of right and wrong. Although some people might think that the moral code is simple, rarely is anything simple about one's morals or ethics or for that matter judgment of other morals. The difficulty lies in the fact that morals are often part of a religion and more often than not about culture codes. A common version of a moral code is a legal code which states the penalties or corrective actions associated with any particular act (note that many of the legal codes are built on a foundaton of religion).
A value system, which is the prioritization of the values held by an individual or group, can also be used to form the basis of a moral code.
In some cultures, the relationship between moral and legal codes are often absolute – they're one and the same. Moral codes help drive personal conduct.
God lives by his moral code which is love and orders us to do so as well.
You are looking at it from the point of view of the world which according to the same source reads:
Quote Another related concept is the moral core which is assumed to be innate in each individual, to those who accept that differences between individuals are more important than Creators or their rules. This, in some religious systems (e.g. Taoism and Gnosticism), is assumed to be the basis of all aesthetics and thus moral choice. Moral codes as such are therefore seen as coercive = part of human politics. Love is not innate to the human being as it comes from God. This is why Jesus answere the petitioner who called him “good” that “no one is good but God” even though Jesus loved as God loves. He answered because it was not his innate self that loved but rather God loving through him.
Hi Kerwin,
Quote If God does not have a moral code it therefore follows his code is immoral.
Never said it. Never implied it.Quote Love is a moral code and God commands each of us to do it
Love is love. God's moral code is God's moral code. God's moral code can be said to be based on God's love for us. God's moral code can be said to be infused with his love for use. Being obedient to God's moral code can be said to be an act of love.With Love and Respect,
WispringTo all,
An enabler is:
Merriam Webster Online Dictionary reads:
Quote one that enables another to achieve an end; especially : one who enables another to persist in self-destructive behavior (as substance abuse) by providing excuses or by making it possible to avoid the consequences of such behavior
So is Jesus advocated that his disciples enable evil doers when he teaches the following?
Matthew 5:44-46 reads:
Quote 44But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
By no means, rather he is teaching them how to suffer the presence of evil doers and not play return evil for evil for in doing so you will do as God does. God also rebukes and disciplines those who do evil.
Consider this part of the parable of the wheat and the tares(weeds).
Matthew 13 reads:
Quote 27So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.Are the tares (weeds) those who refuse to repent and thus the “wicked” according to this scripture.
Psalm 11:5 reads:
Quote The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.
As for the “wicked” that repent, they are the wheat which is why scripture states:
Ezekiel 18 reads:
Quote 21But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
22All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.
23Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?These wicked repented while they were still “sinners” and God forgot the sins the committed before the changed their ways. This is what Paul is teaching when he states.
Romans 5:8 reads:
Quote But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
And the fact God forgets the sins of those wicked who change their ways is why this Psalms states:
Psalms 32 reads:
Quote 1Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.
2Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.Wispring,
Scripture states that the order to love is the whole quanity of the law. That is also to say love is the whole moral code. Since God lives according to the moral code of love it follow that in at least that way God is love. His moral code will become ours when we are fully mature in Christ, since that is what living by the Spirit accomplishes.
Kerwin,
I don't disagree with you. My mind operates differently than yours. I use words differently than you do. I compartmentalize thoughts and concepts differently than you. I am not you. Morale code of Love does not process in this son of Gods mind Kerwin. To me you have an expression of the heart and soul that is emotionally based mixed up with the word of God. Simple as that.With Love and Respect,
WispringHi Kerwin,
Quote
Love is not innate to the human being as it comes from God. This is why Jesus answere the petitioner who called him “good” that “no one is good but God” even though Jesus loved as God loves. He answered because it was not his innate self that loved but rather God loving through him.
God created us in his image. Love is innate in God. It is innate in us. Logic. Jesus answered because no one is all good with no bad whatsoever until they are one with Jesus and God.With Love and Respect,
WispringHi Kerwin,
Quote From what you say it sounds as if you believe law is evil and that is absurd.
You getting this idea in your mind from what i posted I condsider equally absurd.With Love and Respect,
WispringTo All…………….SIMPLY PUT What you love you will hang on to and what you Hate you will get rid of. Love is what you KEEP, GOD loves Us and HE KEEPS Us, even if that requires His discipline and scourging at times> IMO
peace and LOVE to you all……………………………………gene
Hi Gene,
How's it going freind? Have you ever done any reading on chaos theory or the law of attraction?
With Love and Respect,
WispringQuote (Wispring @ April 06 2011,19:04) Hi Kerwin, Quote From what you say it sounds as if you believe law is evil and that is absurd.
You getting this idea in your mind from what i posted I condsider equally absurd.With Love and Respect,
Wispring
As you stated we think differently and use are words differently which makes it important for us to work hard to understand one another.
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