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  • #377079
    terraricca
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    k AND N

    logic means thinking ,reasoning ,understanding ,;

    but ALL LOGIC ARE NOT GODLY ;LIKE SOME ONE MAY USE IT TO SOLVE HIS CONSTRUCTION PROBLEM,ANOTHER HIS FISHING PROBLEM OF HIS MECHANICAL PROBLEM ;BECAUSE FOR SOLVING PROBLEM YOU ALWAYS NEED KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING TO FIND THE LOGIC WITHIN THE DISCIPLINE IN WHICH YOU HAVE A PROBLEM TO SOLVE,

    SO IT BECOME EVIDENT THAT THE LOGIC USED TO UNDERSTAND GOD'S WORD SOMEONE HAS TO HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD'S WORDS AND TEACHINGS ,IF NOT HE WOULD NEVER COME TO THE LOGICAL UNDERSTANDING OF IT ,

    LITTLE KNOWLEDGE WILL BRING WRONG LOGIC AND SO FALSE UNDERSTANDING ,

    JUST AS AN ENGINEER CALCULATE A BUILDING NEEDS FOR STANDING UP AND RESISTING WIND ,AND SNOW LOADS ,IF HE DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THE FORCES IMPLICATED IN NATURE ;HIS BUILDING WILL NOT STAND AND SO WILL FALL ,

    #377083
    NickHassan
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    Hi t
    yes commonsense is some help

    5.Luke 12:56
    Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not discern this time?

    .Matthew 16:3
    And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?

    #377101
    terraricca
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 10 2014,05:19)
    Hi t
    yes commonsense is some help

    5.Luke 12:56
    Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not discern this time?

    .Matthew 16:3
    And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?


    N

    LK 12:45 “But if that slave says in his heart, ‘My master will be a long time in coming,’ and begins to beat the slaves, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk

    #377198
    terraricca
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    Quote (terraricca @ April 10 2014,06:18)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 10 2014,05:19)
    Hi t
    yes commonsense is some help

    5.Luke 12:56
    Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not discern this time?

    .Matthew 16:3
    And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?


    N

    LK 12:45 “But if that slave says in his heart, ‘My master will be a long time in coming,’ and begins to beat the slaves, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk


    this would be the wrong logical understanding right ???

    #377220
    kerwin
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 09 2014,10:20)
    Hi KW,
    You see conflict in the words of Paul?
    I don't.


    Nick,

    The conflict is in your words, not Paul's. If you saw the conflict then I hope you would change your word so your teaching was not broken.

    #377221
    kerwin
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    Quote (terraricca @ April 10 2014,17:42)

    Quote (terraricca @ April 10 2014,06:18)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 10 2014,05:19)
    Hi t
    yes commonsense is some help

    5.Luke 12:56
    Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not discern this time?

    .Matthew 16:3
    And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?


    N

    LK 12:45 “But if that slave says in his heart, ‘My master will be a long time in coming,’ and begins to beat the slaves, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk


    this would be the wrong logical understanding right ???


    T,

    The slaves understanding has the appearance of logic but it is not logical. It is also based on the flesh.

    #377226
    terraricca
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    Quote (kerwin @ April 11 2014,01:31)

    Quote (terraricca @ April 10 2014,17:42)

    Quote (terraricca @ April 10 2014,06:18)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 10 2014,05:19)
    Hi t
    yes commonsense is some help

    5.Luke 12:56
    Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not discern this time?

    .Matthew 16:3
    And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?


    N

    LK 12:45 “But if that slave says in his heart, ‘My master will be a long time in coming,’ and begins to beat the slaves, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk


    this would be the wrong logical understanding right ???


    T,

    The slaves understanding has the appearance of logic but it is not logical.  It is also based on the flesh.


    K

    the slave thinks as what he wants and understand as he see fit for him ,and then take decisions base on that ,because to him it make sense and seems logical ,

    THIS PRACTICE IS DONE DAILY BY ALL MEN ,THE MEN THAT FALLOW CHRIST IS THE ONE THAT AS EMPTY HIS SOUL OF THE THINGS OF THE WORLD AND THE FLESH ,

    SO THAT THE SPIRIT OF GOD UNDERSTANDING CAN REACH HIM DEEP DOWN INSIDE HIM SO THAT IT IS NO LONGER HIM THAT THINKS OR SPEAKS BUT THE SPIRIT THAT IS IN HIM ,THIS WOULD BE THE LOGICAL TRUTH OF GOD SPIRIT ACCORDING TO GOD ,NOT MEN

    #377231
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,
    You see conflict where none exists.
    Broaden your mind

    #378045
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 10 2014,05:19)
    Hi t
    yes commonsense is some help

    5.Luke 12:56
    Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not discern this time?

    .Matthew 16:3
    And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?


    Nick

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    yes commonsense is some help

    commonsense is the only thing we have that allow us to align with God's will ,so that we think like God want us to think and walk ,

    commonsense is a tool that can be put to use with what we want and know ,according to our heart ,
    don't be deceived ;the wicked people also have their own commonsense ,and so it is for the righteous ,

    #378054
    NickHassan
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    Hi t,
    No we must be transformed in our hearts and minds
    It is the work of the Spirit

    #378076
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    What is the purpose of a mind?

    #378077
    NickHassan
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    Hi KW,
    God wants it.
    He wants you to have the mind of christ.

    #378078
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,
    Matthew 9:16
    No man putteth a piece of new cloth unto an old garment, for that which is put in to fill it up taketh from the garment, and the rent is made worse.

    Matthew 9:17
    Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

    Matthew 13:52
    Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old

    Nothing but complete surrender is good enough

    #378084
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 16 2014,00:43)
    Hi KW,
    God wants it.
    He wants you to have the mind of christ.


    Nick,

    Yes, we are to be like Christ and not view equality with God as a thing to be grasped but instead to empty ourselves and take on the guise of a servant.

    #378086
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,
    Unlike the Lord we have nothing useful to offer and have no need for disguise
    earthen pots

    #378087
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Matthew 9:14-17
    New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)

    14 Then the disciples of John came to him, saying, “Why do we and the Pharisees fast often,[a] but your disciples do not fast?” 15 And Jesus said to them, “The wedding guests cannot mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them, can they? The days will come when the bridegroom is taken away from them, and then they will fast. 16 No one sews a piece of unshrunk cloth on an old cloak, for the patch pulls away from the cloak, and a worse tear is made. 17 Neither is new wine put into old wineskins; otherwise, the skins burst, and the wine is spilled, and the skins are destroyed; but new wine is put into fresh wineskins, and so both are preserved.”
    Footnotes:

       Matthew 9:14 Other ancient authorities lack often

    This is a passage I find hard to understand because it appears that verse 16 and 17 are part of Jesus' answer to his disciples question from verse 14.  My hypothesis is that Jesus is saying the new covenant is designed for the Spirit and the old covenant is designed for human effort.

    #378088
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 16 2014,01:04)
    Hi KW,
    Unlike the Lord we have nothing useful to offer and have no need for disguise
    earthen pots


    Nick,

    I have no idea what the thoughts behind your words are. I do know we are instructed to have the same mind as Christ, who existing in the image of God, did not see equality with God as something to be grasped but emptied himself and took on the image of a servant. Jesus instructs us to follow him.

    #378097
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,
    Only the renewed mind can feed on scripture and assemble the puzzle.

    #378101
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2014,23:04)
    Hi t,
    No we must be transformed in our hearts and minds
    It is the work of the Spirit


    Nick

    no ,you say to what ???

    you say we must be transformed in our hearts and mind and then you say IT IS THE WORK OF THE SPIRIT ;

    WHERE DO YOU THINK THE SPIRIT CAN BE FOUND IF NOT IN THE SCRIPTURES ,???

    ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU TRANSFORMED YOURSELF WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE FROM SCRIPTURES ??? AND THAT YOU NEVER USED YOUR COMMONSENSE LOGIC WITHIN THE SCRIPTURES TO GIVE YOU UNDERSTANDING ,???

    AND USE YOUR MIND TO BRING YOURSELF TO SEE THE NEED TO SUBMIT YOURSELF TO GOD WITH A COMPLETE HEART ,IN HUMILITY ,

    SPIRIT OF THE WORLD ;MEANS THE WAY THE WORLD THINKS ;

    THE SPIRIT OF GOD IS THE WAY GOD THINKS ;THIS IS THE WAY TO SALVATION

    #378105
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 16 2014,02:18)
    Hi KW,
    Only the renewed mind can feed on scripture and assemble the puzzle.


    Nick,

    Only a mind that listens to the Spirit.

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