Logic

[terraricca]

k AND N

logic means thinking ,reasoning ,understanding ,;

but ALL LOGIC ARE NOT GODLY ;LIKE SOME ONE MAY USE IT TO SOLVE HIS CONSTRUCTION PROBLEM,ANOTHER HIS FISHING PROBLEM OF HIS MECHANICAL PROBLEM ;BECAUSE FOR SOLVING PROBLEM YOU ALWAYS NEED KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING TO FIND THE LOGIC WITHIN THE DISCIPLINE IN WHICH YOU HAVE A PROBLEM TO SOLVE,

SO IT BECOME EVIDENT THAT THE LOGIC USED TO UNDERSTAND GOD'S WORD SOMEONE HAS TO HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD'S WORDS AND TEACHINGS ,IF NOT HE WOULD NEVER COME TO THE LOGICAL UNDERSTANDING OF IT ,

LITTLE KNOWLEDGE WILL BRING WRONG LOGIC AND SO FALSE UNDERSTANDING ,

JUST AS AN ENGINEER CALCULATE A BUILDING NEEDS FOR STANDING UP AND RESISTING WIND ,AND SNOW LOADS ,IF HE DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THE FORCES IMPLICATED IN NATURE ;HIS BUILDING WILL NOT STAND AND SO WILL FALL ,

[NickHassan]

Hi t
yes commonsense is some help

5.Luke 12:56
Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not discern this time?

.Matthew 16:3
And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 10 2014,05:19)

Hi t yes commonsense is some help 5.Luke 12:56 Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not discern this time? .Matthew 16:3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?

N

LK 12:45 “But if that slave says in his heart, ‘My master will be a long time in coming,’ and begins to beat the slaves, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk

[terraricca]

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 10 2014,05:19) Hi t yes commonsense is some help 5.Luke 12:56 Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not discern this time? .Matthew 16:3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times? N LK 12:45 “But if that slave says in his heart, ‘My master will be a long time in coming,’ and begins to beat the slaves, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk

this would be the wrong logical understanding right

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 09 2014,10:20)

Hi KW, You see conflict in the words of Paul? I don't.

Nick,

The conflict is in your words, not Paul's. If you saw the conflict then I hope you would change your word so your teaching was not broken.

[kerwin]

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Quote (terraricca @ April 10 2014,06:18) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 10 2014,05:19) Hi t yes commonsense is some help 5.Luke 12:56 Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not discern this time? .Matthew 16:3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times? N LK 12:45 “But if that slave says in his heart, ‘My master will be a long time in coming,’ and begins to beat the slaves, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk this would be the wrong logical understanding right

T,

The slaves understanding has the appearance of logic but it is not logical. It is also based on the flesh.

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ April 10 2014,17:42) Quote (terraricca @ April 10 2014,06:18) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 10 2014,05:19) Hi t yes commonsense is some help 5.Luke 12:56 Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not discern this time? .Matthew 16:3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times? N LK 12:45 “But if that slave says in his heart, ‘My master will be a long time in coming,’ and begins to beat the slaves, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk this would be the wrong logical understanding right T, The slaves understanding has the appearance of logic but it is not logical.  It is also based on the flesh.

K

the slave thinks as what he wants and understand as he see fit for him ,and then take decisions base on that ,because to him it make sense and seems logical ,

THIS PRACTICE IS DONE DAILY BY ALL MEN ,THE MEN THAT FALLOW CHRIST IS THE ONE THAT AS EMPTY HIS SOUL OF THE THINGS OF THE WORLD AND THE FLESH ,

SO THAT THE SPIRIT OF GOD UNDERSTANDING CAN REACH HIM DEEP DOWN INSIDE HIM SO THAT IT IS NO LONGER HIM THAT THINKS OR SPEAKS BUT THE SPIRIT THAT IS IN HIM ,THIS WOULD BE THE LOGICAL TRUTH OF GOD SPIRIT ACCORDING TO GOD ,NOT MEN

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
You see conflict where none exists.
Broaden your mind

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 10 2014,05:19)

Hi t yes commonsense is some help 5.Luke 12:56 Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not discern this time? .Matthew 16:3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?

Nick

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yes commonsense is some help

commonsense is the only thing we have that allow us to align with God's will ,so that we think like God want us to think and walk ,

commonsense is a tool that can be put to use with what we want and know ,according to our heart ,
don't be deceived ;the wicked people also have their own commonsense ,and so it is for the righteous ,

[NickHassan]

Hi t,
No we must be transformed in our hearts and minds
It is the work of the Spirit

[kerwin]

Nick,

What is the purpose of a mind?

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
God wants it.
He wants you to have the mind of christ.

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
Matthew 9:16
No man putteth a piece of new cloth unto an old garment, for that which is put in to fill it up taketh from the garment, and the rent is made worse.

Matthew 9:17
Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

Matthew 13:52
Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old

Nothing but complete surrender is good enough

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 16 2014,00:43)

Hi KW, God wants it. He wants you to have the mind of christ.

Nick,

Yes, we are to be like Christ and not view equality with God as a thing to be grasped but instead to empty ourselves and take on the guise of a servant.

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
Unlike the Lord we have nothing useful to offer and have no need for disguise
earthen pots

[kerwin]

Nick,

Matthew 9:14-17
New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)

14 Then the disciples of John came to him, saying, “Why do we and the Pharisees fast often,[a] but your disciples do not fast?” 15 And Jesus said to them, “The wedding guests cannot mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them, can they? The days will come when the bridegroom is taken away from them, and then they will fast. 16 No one sews a piece of unshrunk cloth on an old cloak, for the patch pulls away from the cloak, and a worse tear is made. 17 Neither is new wine put into old wineskins; otherwise, the skins burst, and the wine is spilled, and the skins are destroyed; but new wine is put into fresh wineskins, and so both are preserved.”
Footnotes:

   Matthew 9:14 Other ancient authorities lack often

This is a passage I find hard to understand because it appears that verse 16 and 17 are part of Jesus' answer to his disciples question from verse 14.  My hypothesis is that Jesus is saying the new covenant is designed for the Spirit and the old covenant is designed for human effort.

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 16 2014,01:04)

Hi KW, Unlike the Lord we have nothing useful to offer and have no need for disguise earthen pots

Nick,

I have no idea what the thoughts behind your words are. I do know we are instructed to have the same mind as Christ, who existing in the image of God, did not see equality with God as something to be grasped but emptied himself and took on the image of a servant. Jesus instructs us to follow him.

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
Only the renewed mind can feed on scripture and assemble the puzzle.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2014,23:04)

Hi t, No we must be transformed in our hearts and minds It is the work of the Spirit

Nick

no ,you say to what

you say we must be transformed in our hearts and mind and then you say IT IS THE WORK OF THE SPIRIT ;

WHERE DO YOU THINK THE SPIRIT CAN BE FOUND IF NOT IN THE SCRIPTURES ,???

ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU TRANSFORMED YOURSELF WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE FROM SCRIPTURES AND THAT YOU NEVER USED YOUR COMMONSENSE LOGIC WITHIN THE SCRIPTURES TO GIVE YOU UNDERSTANDING ,???

AND USE YOUR MIND TO BRING YOURSELF TO SEE THE NEED TO SUBMIT YOURSELF TO GOD WITH A COMPLETE HEART ,IN HUMILITY ,

SPIRIT OF THE WORLD ;MEANS THE WAY THE WORLD THINKS ;

THE SPIRIT OF GOD IS THE WAY GOD THINKS ;THIS IS THE WAY TO SALVATION

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 16 2014,02:18)

Hi KW, Only the renewed mind can feed on scripture and assemble the puzzle.

Nick,

Only a mind that listens to the Spirit.

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