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    bodhitharta
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    Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 21 2010,04:25)
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                                     Jesus is Lord

    1Cor.12:3 no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the HolySpirit.              
    Romans 10:9-10 if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,
    and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead,
    thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness;
    and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation
    . (no salvation without Jesus!)

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    1 Peter 3:6 (King James Version)
    6Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.

    Genesis 18:12 (King James Version)
    12Therefore Sarah laughed within herself, saying, After I am waxed old shall I have pleasure, my lord being old also?

    Abraham is lord as well

    #220970
    942767
    Participant

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 21 2010,03:57)

    Quote (942767 @ Oct. 20 2010,14:16)
    Hi BD:

    The scripture states that all men (except Jesus) have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, and again, the scripture states that the wages of sin is death.  If he did not overcome sin and death, there is no resurrection.  God forseen from the beginning that He would reconcile all men to Himself through His Only Begotten Son and His Christ.

    That is why John 1 reads, “In the beginning was the Word, and Word was with God, and the Word was God.  All things were made by him, and without him was nothing made that was made”.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    Where does the scripture say “except Jesus”? and if you can except Jesus why can't others be excepted?

    The Word of God does not mean Jesus it means that the Word of God was present in Jesus as it became flesh. Jesus was made by God speaking but that does not make him God and it was with this same Word that God created all things through such as Let there be light, Let there be…and it was so with Jesus he was created through the Word of God and is a Word of God and Jesus says this clealy when he says that they were called God to whom the Word of God was sent.


    Hi BD:

    This is what the bible says, and I believe the bible, do you?

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    Romans 5:12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

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    Hebrews 4:15
    For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

    #220975
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Wow!!!

    #220980
    942767
    Participant

    This is what the scriptures state:

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    1 John 5:9If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

    10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

    11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

    12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

    As I said to you before, you will find Him when you believe His Word.

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    John 3:3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

    4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

    5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

    6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

    7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

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    John 3:16-18 (King James Version)

    16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

    18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

    Wow:

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    Romans 8:11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

    12Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

    13For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

    14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

    These scriptures state that God raised Jesus from the dead, and you say that he didn't die, and so why would your scholar refer to those who are led by the Spirit of God. The Spirit of God does not dwell in anyone now except they have had their sins washed away by blood of the lamb of God.

    No, we are not all children of God. We are all God's creatures, but no, we are not all children of God.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

    #220983
    Ed J
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    1John 2:22 He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

    John 1:14 And “The Word”(HolySpirit) was made flesh(in Jesus), and dwelt among us,
    (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

    John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

    John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,
    that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned
    already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

    Heb.11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac:
    and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

    1John 4:9 In this was manifested the love
    of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
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    #220986
    942767
    Participant

    Hi ED & BD and whosoever:

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    1John 2:22 …He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

    Amen!!! So be it.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

    #220993
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (942767 @ Oct. 23 2010,14:01)
    Hi ED & BD and whosoever:

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    1John 2:22 …He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

    Amen!!!    So be it.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.
    Luke 10:21-23

    Do you understand this knowledge? If Jesus was the only begotten son of God of course we would all know who the Son is but the fact Is anyone can be the Son based upon his piety but you don't understand that at least right now. Otherwise you say that this scripture is a lie and wrong

    #220998
    942767
    Participant

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 23 2010,14:24)

    Quote (942767 @ Oct. 23 2010,14:01)
    Hi ED & BD and whosoever:

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    1John 2:22 …He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

    Amen!!!    So be it.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.
    Luke 10:21-23

    Do you understand this knowledge? If Jesus was the only begotten son of God of course we would all know who the Son is but the fact Is anyone can be the Son based upon his piety but you don't understand that at least right now. Otherwise you say that this scripture is a lie and wrong


    Hi BD:

    And so, of what knowledge do you speak, Jesus, God's Only Begotten Son, has revealed the Father to me.

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    1 John 1 (King James Version)

    1 John 1
    1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

    2(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)

    3That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

    4And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.

    5This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

    6If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

    7But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

    #221018
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (942767 @ Oct. 23 2010,14:58)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 23 2010,14:24)

    Quote (942767 @ Oct. 23 2010,14:01)
    Hi ED & BD and whosoever:

    Quote
    1John 2:22 …He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

    Amen!!!    So be it.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.
    Luke 10:21-23

    Do you understand this knowledge? If Jesus was the only begotten son of God of course we would all know who the Son is but the fact Is anyone can be the Son based upon his piety but you don't understand that at least right now. Otherwise you say that this scripture is a lie and wrong


    Hi BD:

    And so, of what knowledge do you speak, Jesus, God's Only Begotten Son, has revealed the Father to me.

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    1 John 1 (King James Version)

    1 John 1
    1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

    2(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)

    3That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

    4And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.

    5This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

    6If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

    7But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.


    How did he reveal this to you?

    #221421
    942767
    Participant

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 23 2010,17:52)

    Quote (942767 @ Oct. 23 2010,14:58)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 23 2010,14:24)

    Quote (942767 @ Oct. 23 2010,14:01)
    Hi ED & BD and whosoever:

    Quote
    1John 2:22 …He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

    Amen!!!    So be it.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.
    Luke 10:21-23

    Do you understand this knowledge? If Jesus was the only begotten son of God of course we would all know who the Son is but the fact Is anyone can be the Son based upon his piety but you don't understand that at least right now. Otherwise you say that this scripture is a lie and wrong


    Hi BD:

    And so, of what knowledge do you speak, Jesus, God's Only Begotten Son, has revealed the Father to me.

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    1 John 1 (King James Version)

    1 John 1
    1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

    2(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)

    3That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

    4And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.

    5This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

    6If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

    7But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.


    How did he reveal this to you?


    Hi BD:

    Jesus said:  “He who has seen me has seen the Father.”  But this is not just to see with the eye, but I have experienced his mercy having all of my sins washed away by the blood of the precious lamb of God.  

    And having my sins washed away, I have been reconciled to God being raised by the dead by the same Spirit of God that raised Jesus from the dead.

    God then dwells within me by His Spirit as my helper and testifies by His Spirit that His testimony regarding His Son is true.

    1 John  5:9If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

    10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

    #221425
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (942767 @ Oct. 26 2010,10:00)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 23 2010,17:52)

    Quote (942767 @ Oct. 23 2010,14:58)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 23 2010,14:24)

    Quote (942767 @ Oct. 23 2010,14:01)
    Hi ED & BD and whosoever:

    Quote
    1John 2:22 …He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

    Amen!!!    So be it.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.
    Luke 10:21-23

    Do you understand this knowledge? If Jesus was the only begotten son of God of course we would all know who the Son is but the fact Is anyone can be the Son based upon his piety but you don't understand that at least right now. Otherwise you say that this scripture is a lie and wrong


    Hi BD:

    And so, of what knowledge do you speak, Jesus, God's Only Begotten Son, has revealed the Father to me.

    Quote
    1 John 1 (King James Version)

    1 John 1
    1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

    2(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)

    3That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

    4And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.

    5This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

    6If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

    7But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.


    How did he reveal this to you?


    Hi BD:

    Jesus said:  “He who has seen me has seen the Father.”  But this is not just to see with the eye, but I have experienced his mercy having all of my sins washed away by the blood of the precious lamb of God.  

    And having my sins washed away, I have been reconciled to God being raised by the dead by the same Spirit of God that raised Jesus from the dead.

    God then dwells within me by His Spirit as my helper and testifies by His Spirit that His testimony regarding His Son is true.

    1 John  5:9If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

    10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    I don't doubt that you have had your sins washed away or that you have a mediator if you sin still, please don't believe that I am questioning your salvation because I am not but the fact is your salvation and trust comes from a living Christ with living blood who was sent by the everliving God.

    The blood that is precious is the blood of the living because the blood of the dead is polluted.

    #221550
    942767
    Participant

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 26 2010,10:35)

    Quote (942767 @ Oct. 26 2010,10:00)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 23 2010,17:52)

    Quote (942767 @ Oct. 23 2010,14:58)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 23 2010,14:24)

    Quote (942767 @ Oct. 23 2010,14:01)
    Hi ED & BD and whosoever:

    Quote
    1John 2:22 …He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

    Amen!!!    So be it.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.
    Luke 10:21-23

    Do you understand this knowledge? If Jesus was the only begotten son of God of course we would all know who the Son is but the fact Is anyone can be the Son based upon his piety but you don't understand that at least right now. Otherwise you say that this scripture is a lie and wrong


    Hi BD:

    And so, of what knowledge do you speak, Jesus, God's Only Begotten Son, has revealed the Father to me.

    Quote
    1 John 1 (King James Version)

    1 John 1
    1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

    2(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)

    3That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

    4And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.

    5This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

    6If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

    7But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.


    How did he reveal this to you?


    Hi BD:

    Jesus said:  “He who has seen me has seen the Father.”  But this is not just to see with the eye, but I have experienced his mercy having all of my sins washed away by the blood of the precious lamb of God.  

    And having my sins washed away, I have been reconciled to God being raised by the dead by the same Spirit of God that raised Jesus from the dead.

    God then dwells within me by His Spirit as my helper and testifies by His Spirit that His testimony regarding His Son is true.

    1 John  5:9If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

    10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    I don't doubt that you have had your sins washed away or that you have a mediator if you sin still, please don't believe that I am questioning your salvation because I am not but the fact is your salvation and trust comes from a living Christ with living blood who was sent by the everliving God.

    The blood that is precious is the blood of the living because the blood of the dead is polluted.


    Hi BD:

    God's Word is true whether or not you doubt it, and there is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

    #221558
    942767
    Participant

    Hi BD:

    Without the blood that was shed for us, there is no salvation. It is the Holy Spirit living within the body of Christ, that gives life. Jesus has no blood now. He has been raised from the dead and has a spiritual body, and we who are a part of his body will receive a spiritual body in the resurrection.

    The life of the flesh is in the blood, but it is the Spirit of God that gives life to the soul.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

    #221562
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (942767 @ Oct. 27 2010,09:43)
    Hi BD:

    Without the blood that was shed for us, there is no salvation.  It is the Holy Spirit living within the body of Christ, that gives life.  Jesus has no blood now.  He has been raised from the dead and has a spiritual body, and we who are a part of his body will receive a spiritual body in the resurrection.  

    The life of the flesh is in the blood, but it is the Spirit of God that gives life to the soul.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    WHAT!!!!!!?

    Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

    Luke 24:38-40

    #221565
    942767
    Participant

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 27 2010,09:56)

    Quote (942767 @ Oct. 27 2010,09:43)
    Hi BD:

    Without the blood that was shed for us, there is no salvation.  It is the Holy Spirit living within the body of Christ, that gives life.  Jesus has no blood now.  He has been raised from the dead and has a spiritual body, and we who are a part of his body will receive a spiritual body in the resurrection.  

    The life of the flesh is in the blood, but it is the Spirit of God that gives life to the soul.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    WHAT!!!!!!?

    Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

    Luke 24:38-40


    Hi BD:

    He had flesh and bone, but no blood.

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    John 20:24But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.

    25The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the LORD. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

    26And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

    27Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

    28And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

    #221568
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (942767 @ Oct. 27 2010,10:15)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 27 2010,09:56)

    Quote (942767 @ Oct. 27 2010,09:43)
    Hi BD:

    Without the blood that was shed for us, there is no salvation.  It is the Holy Spirit living within the body of Christ, that gives life.  Jesus has no blood now.  He has been raised from the dead and has a spiritual body, and we who are a part of his body will receive a spiritual body in the resurrection.  

    The life of the flesh is in the blood, but it is the Spirit of God that gives life to the soul.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    WHAT!!!!!!?

    Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

    Luke 24:38-40


    Hi BD:

    He had flesh and bone, but no blood.

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    John 20:24But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.

    25The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the LORD. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

    26And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

    27Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

    28And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    Are you serious? Jesus ate Fish and Honeycomb you cannot eat without blood.

    To say someone touched his side or hands in no way indicate he was bloodless in other words thomas didn't put his hands “Inside” his side. When you say someone a ball hit me in my side you don't mean it went inside of you.

    Besides that you even said that the LIFE of the FLESH is in the Blood so if Jesus was alive with Flesh then he had Blood in him otherwise the risen Jesus would have been dead.

    Please concede this fact and be reasonable. At leat admit that Jesus was not a Spirit as he said.

    #221573
    942767
    Participant

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 27 2010,11:19)

    Quote (942767 @ Oct. 27 2010,10:15)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 27 2010,09:56)

    Quote (942767 @ Oct. 27 2010,09:43)
    Hi BD:

    Without the blood that was shed for us, there is no salvation.  It is the Holy Spirit living within the body of Christ, that gives life.  Jesus has no blood now.  He has been raised from the dead and has a spiritual body, and we who are a part of his body will receive a spiritual body in the resurrection.  

    The life of the flesh is in the blood, but it is the Spirit of God that gives life to the soul.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    WHAT!!!!!!?

    Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

    Luke 24:38-40


    Hi BD:

    He had flesh and bone, but no blood.

    Quote
    John 20:24But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.

    25The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the LORD. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

    26And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

    27Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

    28And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    Are you serious? Jesus ate Fish and Honeycomb you cannot eat without blood.

    To say someone touched his side or hands in no way indicate he was bloodless in other words thomas didn't put his hands “Inside” his side. When you say someone a ball hit me in my side you don't mean it went inside of you.

    Besides that you even said that the LIFE of the FLESH is in the Blood so if Jesus was alive with Flesh then he had Blood in him otherwise the risen Jesus would have been dead.

    Please concede this fact and be reasonable. At leat admit that Jesus was not a Spirit as he said.


    Hi BD:

    Jesus is not a Spirit, he was raised again from the dead by the Spirit of God. He has a body, a spiritual body, but he has no blood. It is the Holy Spirit that gives him life.

    You are not reading the scriptures. He said for Thomas to put his finger in the nail prints in his hand, and regarding putting his hand into his side, he is speaking of the wound by the sword that he received when he was dying on the cross.

    Here:

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    John 19:32Then came the soldiers, and brake the legs of the first, and of the other which was crucified with him.

    33But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs:

    34But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water

    I know that he ate fish with the disciples, and the scriptures do not tell me any more that this. It is the blood that carries away the waste, and so, I can't answer how this was possible. God must have had another way.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

    #221578
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (942767 @ Oct. 27 2010,12:32)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 27 2010,11:19)

    Quote (942767 @ Oct. 27 2010,10:15)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 27 2010,09:56)

    Quote (942767 @ Oct. 27 2010,09:43)
    Hi BD:

    Without the blood that was shed for us, there is no salvation.  It is the Holy Spirit living within the body of Christ, that gives life.  Jesus has no blood now.  He has been raised from the dead and has a spiritual body, and we who are a part of his body will receive a spiritual body in the resurrection.  

    The life of the flesh is in the blood, but it is the Spirit of God that gives life to the soul.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    WHAT!!!!!!?

    Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

    Luke 24:38-40


    Hi BD:

    He had flesh and bone, but no blood.

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    John 20:24But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.

    25The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the LORD. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

    26And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

    27Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

    28And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    Are you serious? Jesus ate Fish and Honeycomb you cannot eat without blood.

    To say someone touched his side or hands in no way indicate he was bloodless in other words thomas didn't put his hands “Inside” his side. When you say someone a ball hit me in my side you don't mean it went inside of you.

    Besides that you even said that the LIFE of the FLESH is in the Blood so if Jesus was alive with Flesh then he had Blood in him otherwise the risen Jesus would have been dead.

    Please concede this fact and be reasonable. At leat admit that Jesus was not a Spirit as he said.


    Hi BD:

    Jesus is not a Spirit, he was raised again from the dead by the Spirit of God.  He has a body, a spiritual body, but he has no blood.  It is the Holy Spirit that gives him life.

    You are not reading the scriptures.  He said for Thomas to put his finger in the nail prints in his hand, and regarding putting his hand into his side, he is speaking of the wound by the sword that he received when he was dying on the cross.

    Here:

    Quote
    John 19:32Then came the soldiers, and brake the legs of the first, and of the other which was crucified with him.

    33But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs:

    34But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water

    I know that he ate fish with the disciples, and the scriptures do not tell me any more that this.  It is the blood that carries away the waste, and so, I can't answer how this was possible.  God must have had another way.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    All the scriptures that we have say that the LIFE of the FLESH is IN the blood. Which according to the scriptures means that if someone is raised from death to Life then they will have blood or are you saying that Lazarus also had no blood he was “dead” longer than Jesus and was raised by the Spirit of God as well.

    The only difference between Lazarus and Jesus regarding resurrection is that Jesus also later Ascended.

    So Lazarus was raised from the dead and Jesus was raised from the dead according to the scriptures and so if Lazarus had living flesh evidenced by its blood so must Jesus have had it as well.

    Also without Blood movement is also not possible hence why rigor mortis sets in soon after death but don't you even know that Bones have blood in them as well. Jesus was not a Zombie or some sort of walking dead vampire and he was not a Spirit.

    The Living flesh has Blood in it and you should concede that Jesus was raised to LIFE back from DEATH according to your belief. If he was risen back that would mean in his former state and not some new state unless you don't believe what Jesus said:

    Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
    John 2:18-20

    When Jesus says this temple it is the state of the body he is in that he will rebuild otherwise he is not rebuilding it

    #221654
    942767
    Participant

    Hi BD:

    Jesus said relative to Lazarus:

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    25Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
    26And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

    Jesus said that “he was the resurrection and the life”.  He obeyed God without sin even unto death on the cross and without this there is no resurrection from the dead.  Lazarus was born again from the dead and passed from death unto life, but as you say he did not ascend into heaven.  I also have been born again from the dead and have passed from death unto life, but my body is dying every day.

    The scripture states:

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    1 Co 15:50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

    51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

    52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

    53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

    54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

    55O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

    56The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

    57But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

    We will receive a spiritual body when Jesus come for the church.  His body was raised from the dead, and it is the temple of God.  Why does that mean that he had to have blood when he was raise from the dead?   He was nailed to the cross and his side was pierced, and so, how can he still have blood?

    When you read the scriptures, please remember that “there is nothing too hard for God”.  

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

    #221673
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 27 2010,13:06)
    The only difference between Lazarus and Jesus regarding resurrection is that Jesus also later Ascended.


    Hi Everybody,

    Does BD now believe in the “Gospel” (the death, burial and resurrection) of Jesus Christ
    or is this just more of Asana Bodhitharta's deceptive practices that are easy to expose!

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