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Hi J42:
Quote Heb 12:5
And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:Heb 12:6
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.Heb 12:7
If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?Heb 12:8
But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.Heb 12:9
Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?Heb 12:10
For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.Heb 12:11
Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.Quote 2Ti 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:2Ti 3:17
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.Love in Christ,
MartyHi Marty,
Those under the old law will be judged by the law.
The law has changed since Christ death and resurrection. This you kow is the new Covenant, a different law, The animal sacrifices are done away with, and there is mercy now through Christ, however that does not change for them who lived before Christ, as they did not know him. They will be judged by that old law.
However, because of mercy, God has elected (hand picked) Jews from the old generations. Those who served and obeyed the law, will get salvation as promised, but have to go through Christ now, which is why they will be brought back in the flesh to learn Christ. They will have to go through a process first, just like we have, to receive the holy spirit (spirit of truth) first.Christ is the doorway now, and this is why they are brought back during the millennium, to go through that process. The holy spirit is what is required to be resurrected or quickened, and without it, cannot enter. All must go through Christ now, he is the doorway. Can not enter without him, and all have to follow in his footsteps, as he was the firstborn of the dead, …so all from now on must follow in his footsteps who are of his seed.
The rest of the Jews who will not be handpicked (reserved) will be judged in the 2nd resurrection according to their deeds. So again, it all comes down to mercy, for the ones elected.Quote and His blood washes away all of the sins of those under the Law who were obedient under that covenant, and they will be raised from the dead by the Holy Spirit with a spiritual body just like of the rest of the dead in Christ.
Marty, I get what you are saying, and yes they will be given salvation, but not before they go through the process of learning Christ during the millennium. They come into the new covenant now to learn, for they do not know it, and this is their chance, a learning process, for their benefit, not a punishment.John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
John 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
Quote 1Jo 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
This simply means that anyone can come to God through Christ, no matter who you are. But they must come through him. We know the sins of the world will not be forgiven, for there are goats and sheeps, everlasting life, and the lake of fire.John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
This means NO MAN.
Hi J42:
God's law is eternal. It was written in stone with the finger of God. It cannot be changed. It has now been written in our hearts in the New Covenant by the Holy Spirit as we learn to obey the Word. And so, the way that we keep the Law has changed, but not the Law.
Yes, there is no more need for animal sacrifices. Jesus is the perfect sacrifice, and is the propitiation for the sins of the whole world, both for the sins of those who obeyed God prior to Jesus ministry and for those who come to God with a repentant heart through him since his ministry until he comes for the church.
But I do not believe that those under the Law will have to learn Jesus before they can be saved. They will be resurrected from the dead along with the dead in Christ when the Lord comes for the church.
This is what David stated, and he did not know Jesus as we know him now.
Quote Act 2:25
For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:Act 2:26
Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:Act 2:27
Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ June 21 2014,10:43) Hi J42: God's law is eternal. It was written in stone with the finger of God. It cannot be changed. It has now been written in our hearts in the New Covenant by the Holy Spirit as we learn to obey the Word. And so, the way that we keep the Law has changed, but not the Law.
Yes, there is no more need for animal sacrifices. Jesus is the perfect sacrifice, and is the propitiation for the sins of the whole world, both for the sins of those who obeyed God prior to Jesus ministry and for those who come to God with a repentant heart through him since his ministry until he comes for the church.
But I do not believe that those under the Law will have to learn Jesus before they can be saved. They will be resurrected from the dead along with the dead in Christ when the Lord comes for the church.
This is what David stated, and he did not know Jesus as we know him now.
Quote Act 2:25
For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:Act 2:26
Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:Act 2:27
Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.
J42 is away for a while.Quote But I do not believe that those under the Law will have to learn Jesus before they can be saved. They will be resurrected from the dead along with the dead in Christ when the Lord comes for the church. Do not ignore Jesus own words.
He said: *NO MAN* cometh to the Father but by me.*NO MAN*. meaning *NO MAN*. This includes the jews under the law. They will go through Jesus during the thousand year reign.(gentiles first and jews last).
Jews will be brought back to life in the flesh. Christians will be resurrected as saints.
David was inspired by the HS,He has not seen nor
learned the gospels. No man can go though the back door.wakeup.
Quote (journey42 @ June 16 2014,22:47) Hi Marty, Those under the old law will be judged by the law.
The law has changed since Christ death and resurrection. This you kow is the new Covenant, a different law, The animal sacrifices are done away with, and there is mercy now through Christ, however that does not change for them who lived before Christ, as they did not know him. They will be judged by that old law.
Hi Journey42,The law of animal sacrifice to remove sin was “a shadow-picture”
of Christ's atonement for – all – sin once upon the cross.
“The seven feasts” are shadow pictures of the spiritual.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 21 2014,17:27) Quote (journey42 @ June 16 2014,22:47) Hi Marty, Those under the old law will be judged by the law.
The law has changed since Christ death and resurrection. This you kow is the new Covenant, a different law, The animal sacrifices are done away with, and there is mercy now through Christ, however that does not change for them who lived before Christ, as they did not know him. They will be judged by that old law.
Hi Journey42,The law of animal sacrifice to remove sin was “a shadow-picture”
of Christ's atonement for – all – sin once upon the cross.
“The seven feasts” are shadow pictures of the spiritual.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Tell us something new.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ June 22 2014,01:35) Quote (Ed J @ June 21 2014,17:27) Quote (journey42 @ June 16 2014,22:47) Hi Marty, Those under the old law will be judged by the law.
The law has changed since Christ death and resurrection. This you kow is the new Covenant, a different law, The animal sacrifices are done away with, and there is mercy now through Christ, however that does not change for them who lived before Christ, as they did not know him. They will be judged by that old law.
Hi Journey42,The law of animal sacrifice to remove sin was “a shadow-picture”
of Christ's atonement for – all – sin once upon the cross.
“The seven feasts” are shadow pictures of the spiritual.God bless
Ed J
Tell us something new.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,I'm telling you something new, the seven feasts are physical dress rehearsals of the spiritual Prophecy's.
If you don't understated the physical dress rehearsals, you won't understand their fulfillments either.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Wakeup,
You're trying to repeat “Pentecost” while others
like me are busy fulfilling the “Feast of Tabernacles”.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Wakeup:
You say:
Quote Do not ignore Jesus own words.
He said: *NO MAN* cometh to the Father but by me.*NO MAN*. meaning *NO MAN*. This includes the jews under the law. They will go through Jesus during the thousand year reign.(gentiles first and jews last).
Jews will be brought back to life in the flesh. Christians will be resurrected as saints.
David was inspired by the HS,He has not seen nor
learned the gospels. No man can go though the back door.The Lord has given his life as a perfect sacrifice and is the propitiation for the sin of the whole world including all who obeyed God from the beginning of creation until Jesus come for the church, and so no, no one can come to the father except by him, but no, they will not have to go through the millenium to learn Jesus. He is their Lord as well as ours.
This is the scripture:
Quote Eph 2:13
But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.Eph 2:14
For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;Eph 2:16
And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:Quote Eph 1:9
Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:Eph 1:10
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:Love in Christ,
MartyMarty.
Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Blindness in part is happened to israel.
***untill the fulness of the gentiles be come in***.
Then israel will be grafted back on *AGAIN* during the thousand year kingdom.
They must be grafted back on to *THE BRANCH*,which is Jesus.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:
Your confusion comes in when you add to the scriptures. There is nothing in that scripture which states that the Jews will grafted in during the 1000 year kingdom.
Those that believe the gospel will be grafted back in at any time they repent from their unbelief.
When the Apostle Paul states that “all of Israel will be saved”, he is speaking of the “Israel of God being saved” which includes the believers from the gentile nations and from the nation of Israel.
The only way for anyone to be grafted back in during the minstry of the NT is for them to believe the gospel. The scripture states that “the deliever will come from Zion to turn ungodliness from Jacob”.
This is the scripture:
Quote Romans 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
33 O the depth of the
Please show me where in these scriptures is anything about the 1000 year reign mentioned!!!
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ June 22 2014,09:11) Hi Wakeup: Your confusion comes in when you add to the scriptures. There is nothing in that scripture which states that the Jews will grafted in during the 1000 year kingdom.
Those that believe the gospel will be grafted back in at any time they repent from their unbelief.
When the Apostle Paul states that “all of Israel will be saved”, he is speaking of the “Israel of God being saved” which includes the believers from the gentile nations and from the nation of Israel.
The only way for anyone to be grafted back in during the minstry of the NT is for them to believe the gospel. The scripture states that “the deliever will come from Zion to turn ungodliness from Jacob”.
This is the scripture:
Quote Romans 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
33 O the depth of the
Please show me where in these scriptures is anything about the 1000 year reign mentioned!!!
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.Can you explain what this means.
***untill** the **fulness** of the gentiles be come in***.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:
You ask:
Quote Marty. Can you explain what this means.
***untill** the **fulness** of the gentiles be come in***
No, I don't believe that I can explain it with confidence that my understanding is correct, but I do have an idea of what it might mean.
When the gospel was preached to the Jews almost exclusively at the beginning of Jesus ministry, and the Apostle's Peter and the Apostle Paul's ministry until Cornelius and his people were saved, and then the ministry turned to the genitle nations. It may mean that when the majority of those who are to be saved from the gentile nations have been saved, then the focus of the ministry of the gospel will be again to the nation of Israel.
I am praying for understanding of this, but again, I am not quite sure if my understanding of this is correct or not.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ June 22 2014,13:58) Hi Wakeup: You ask:
Quote Marty. Can you explain what this means.
***untill** the **fulness** of the gentiles be come in***
No, I don't believe that I can explain it with confidence that my understanding is correct, but I do have an idea of what it might mean.
When the gospel was preached to the Jews almost exclusively at the beginning of Jesus ministry, and the Apostle's Peter and the Apostle Paul's ministry until Cornelius and his people were saved, and then the ministry turned to the genitle nations. It may mean that when the majority of those who are to be saved from the gentile nations have been saved, then the focus of the ministry of the gospel will be again to the nation of Israel.
I am praying for understanding of this, but again, I am not quite sure if my understanding of this is correct or not.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.The preaching to the gentile world must be accomplished first.
This gospel shall be preached in all the nations;then the end will come.Matt.24.Then the coming. And in the kingdom; the jews will be taught the gospels and everything,by the resurrected saints.
THE CHOSEN JEWS OF ALL GENERATIONS.
wakeup.
Quote (Ed J @ June 22 2014,02:01) Quote (Wakeup @ June 22 2014,01:35) Quote (Ed J @ June 21 2014,17:27) Quote (journey42 @ June 16 2014,22:47) Hi Marty, Those under the old law will be judged by the law.
The law has changed since Christ death and resurrection. This you kow is the new Covenant, a different law, The animal sacrifices are done away with, and there is mercy now through Christ, however that does not change for them who lived before Christ, as they did not know him. They will be judged by that old law.
Hi Journey42,The law of animal sacrifice to remove sin was “a shadow-picture”
of Christ's atonement for – all – sin once upon the cross.
“The seven feasts” are shadow pictures of the spiritual.God bless
Ed J
Tell us something new.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,I'm telling you something new, the seven feasts are physical dress rehearsals of the spiritual Prophecy's.
If you don't understated the physical dress rehearsals, you won't understand their fulfillments either.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Do you know God's seven feasts?Quote (Ed J @ June 22 2014,23:56) Quote (Ed J @ June 22 2014,02:01) Quote (Wakeup @ June 22 2014,01:35) Quote (Ed J @ June 21 2014,17:27) Quote (journey42 @ June 16 2014,22:47) Hi Marty, Those under the old law will be judged by the law.
The law has changed since Christ death and resurrection. This you kow is the new Covenant, a different law, The animal sacrifices are done away with, and there is mercy now through Christ, however that does not change for them who lived before Christ, as they did not know him. They will be judged by that old law.
Hi Journey42,The law of animal sacrifice to remove sin was “a shadow-picture”
of Christ's atonement for – all – sin once upon the cross.
“The seven feasts” are shadow pictures of the spiritual.God bless
Ed J
Tell us something new.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,I'm telling you something new, the seven feasts are physical dress rehearsals of the spiritual Prophecy's.
If you don't understated the physical dress rehearsals, you won't understand their fulfillments either.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Do you know God's seven feasts?
Hi Wakeup:As you say, the gospel will be preached to “all nations” then the end will come. Israel is also a nation, and so, that includes them.
Love in Christ,
MartyHi Wakeup:
Sorry, that I answered you above by quoting a post that Ed had made.
You say:
Quote Marty. The preaching to the gentile world must be accomplished first.
This gospel shall be preached in all the nations;then the end will come.Matt.24.Then the coming. And in the kingdom; the jews will be taught the gospels and everything,by the resurrected saints.
THE CHOSEN JEWS OF ALL GENERATIONS.
wakeup.
As you say, the gospel will be preached to all nations then the end will come, and that includes Israel as a nation.
Where you are getting the rest of your statement beats me. There is no scripture to my knowledge that states what you are saying.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ June 23 2014,07:30) Hi Wakeup: Sorry, that I answered you above by quoting a post that Ed had made.
You say:
Quote Marty. The preaching to the gentile world must be accomplished first.
This gospel shall be preached in all the nations;then the end will come.Matt.24.Then the coming. And in the kingdom; the jews will be taught the gospels and everything,by the resurrected saints.
THE CHOSEN JEWS OF ALL GENERATIONS.
wakeup.
As you say, the gospel will be preached to all nations then the end will come, and that includes Israel as a nation.
Where you are getting the rest of your statement beats me. There is no scripture to my knowledge that states what you are saying.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.Yes, the gospel has been preached to the jews also.
The true christian jews will be resurrected in the first resurrection at the coming, like the gentile true christians.The non true christians will have to go through the tribulation; as other christians.They also will be resurrected;
after they have past the test.The chosen none christian jews; will be brought back.
They consist of all generations.
They are the ones the saints will rule over,for a thousand
years.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:
You say:
Quote The non true christians will have to go through the tribulation; as other christians.They also will be resurrected;
after they have past the test.The chosen none christian jews; will be brought back.
They consist of all generations.
They are the ones the saints will rule over,for a thousand
years.This is your opinion, but there is not scripture to back up what you are saying to my knowledge. If there is, please share the scriptures with me.
Thanks,
Love in Christ,
Marty
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