Let us progress to solid food.

Participant

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 04 2014,05:51)

Hi,
Yes oracles abound in their own mind on this site.

What you have done is, regard isaiah65. and Zech.14
As nothing. And are feeling proud of what you have done.

Not even bother to inquire about it.
They are just words to you.
God wrote it to show his children HIS kingdom to come.
And you just brushed it away as nothing.
This only means that it is not for you to see the kingdom.

wakeup.

June 4, 2014 at 12:31 am#386803

NickHassan

Participant

Hi WU,
I love the Word.
But you keep getting in the road

June 4, 2014 at 12:49 am#386808

Participant

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 04 2014,11:31)

Hi WU,
I love the Word.
But you keep getting in the road

Man's lips can say anything;but it is the heart that counts.
And truly fearing the Lord,in speech and works.
And your heart has stamped on the written Word with your feet.
You are serving your ego by picking cherries.
Cast out what you dont like; just keep what suits you only.

wakeup.

June 4, 2014 at 1:07 am#386812

Participant

Quote (Wakeup @ June 03 2014,13:13)

Quote (942767 @ June 03 2014,12:36)

Quote (Wakeup @ June 03 2014,12:06)

I have shown you all: the the kingdom of God
and the response was negative.
Instead; calling it my opinion.
This proves to me that not all scriptures are taken seriously.
Just a few personally chosen scriptures are accepted,
by you born again so called.

Isaiah 65 and Zech.14 are also the Word of God; Not mine.
So why reject it; or taken as nothing?
In this I can see that the spirit in you, is not the true spirit.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup:

You say:

Quote

Isaiah 65 and Zech.14 are also the Word of God; Not mine.
So why reject it; or taken as nothing?
In this I can see that the spirit in you, is not the true spirit.

I believe the scriptures, but I may understand them to say what you say that they mean.

The problem is that you are assuming that every thing that you say is accurate, and that you, in know way, can make a mistake or misunderstand the scripture. Everybody else is wrong, and you are right.

Love in Christ,
Marty

If it is Indeed my own assumption,why not come up with your comments?
Instead of trampling it with your feet; and caling names?
I have not seen any of your comments.??

wakeup.

Well, I have, in my comments relative to Zech 14, and you told J42 I raised some good points, remember.

Love in Christ,
Marty

June 4, 2014 at 2:38 am#386827

Participant

Quote (942767 @ June 04 2014,12:07)

Quote (Wakeup @ June 03 2014,13:13)

Quote (942767 @ June 03 2014,12:36)

Quote (Wakeup @ June 03 2014,12:06)

Isaiah 65 and Zech.14 are also the Word of God; Not mine.
So why reject it; or taken as nothing?
In this I can see that the spirit in you, is not the true spirit.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup:

You say:

Quote

Isaiah 65 and Zech.14 are also the Word of God; Not mine.
So why reject it; or taken as nothing?
In this I can see that the spirit in you, is not the true spirit.

I believe the scriptures, but I may understand them to say what you say that they mean.

Love in Christ,
Marty

If it is Indeed my own assumption,why not come up with your comments?
Instead of trampling it with your feet; and caling names?
I have not seen any of your comments.??

wakeup.

Well, I have, in my comments relative to Zech 14, and you told J42 I raised some good points, remember.

Love in Christ,
Marty

Can you make another comment on Isaiah 65?
For it is showing us the kingdom to come.

wakeup.

June 7, 2014 at 7:15 am#387552

Participant

Quote (Wakeup @ June 04 2014,13:38)

Quote (942767 @ June 04 2014,12:07)

Quote (Wakeup @ June 03 2014,13:13)

Quote (942767 @ June 03 2014,12:36)

Quote (Wakeup @ June 03 2014,12:06)

Isaiah 65 and Zech.14 are also the Word of God; Not mine.
So why reject it; or taken as nothing?
In this I can see that the spirit in you, is not the true spirit.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup:

You say:

Quote

Isaiah 65 and Zech.14 are also the Word of God; Not mine.
So why reject it; or taken as nothing?
In this I can see that the spirit in you, is not the true spirit.

I believe the scriptures, but I may understand them to say what you say that they mean.

Love in Christ,
Marty

If it is Indeed my own assumption,why not come up with your comments?
Instead of trampling it with your feet; and caling names?
I have not seen any of your comments.??

wakeup.

Well, I have, in my comments relative to Zech 14, and you told J42 I raised some good points, remember.

Love in Christ,
Marty

Can you make another comment on Isaiah 65?
For it is showing us the kingdom to come.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup:

I really do not know what time frame to which these scriptures relate, but it has to be before the 1000 year reign because when the Lord comes for the church, all those who are caught up to be with him will receive a spiritual body never to die no more.

Those who have died in their sins prior to his coming for the church will be raised from the dead after the 1000 year period to be judged according to their works, and will suffer the second death.

Those who are alive and in sin when the Lord comes for the church, will have received the Mark of the Beast, and will be judged by the seven last plagues, and they will be destroyed.

God uses symbolism alot in the scriptures, and the verses stating the wolf and the lamb will feed together probably relate to men with that kind of nature. When He sent the disciples two by two he said, the following.

Quote

Matthew 10:16
Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

And so, I do not know what time to which these scriptures relate. He says “creates a new heaven and a new earth, but he uses the word “create”, and so, it is a work in progress. I do not believe that there will be any death in the new heaven and the new earth that we see in Revelation 21:

Quote

Revelation 21
King James Version (KJV)
21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away

Love in Christ,
Marty

June 7, 2014 at 9:03 am#387555

Participant

Quote

Well, I have, in my comments relative to Zech 14, and you told J42 I raised some good points, remember.

Love in Christ,
Marty

Hi Marty

Maybe that was the post I could not find. I promised to answer you. I apologise but can't find it.

June 7, 2014 at 9:30 am#387557

Participant

Quote (journey42 @ June 07 2014,20:03)

Quote

Well, I have, in my comments relative to Zech 14, and you told J42 I raised some good points, remember.

Love in Christ,
Marty

Hi Marty

Maybe that was the post I could not find. I promised to answer you. I apologise but can't find it.

No, apology needed, I do not know where it is either. The post had to do with the 1000 year reign.

I will bet that Nick can find it for us.

Love in Christ,
Marty

June 7, 2014 at 9:49 am#387558

Participant

Hi Marty, and Wakeup, I hope you don't mind me butting in.

Quote

Hi Wakeup:

I really do not know what time frame to which these scriptures relate, but it has to be before the 1000 year reign

Isaiah is speaking of before the 1000 years AND After.
These refer to BEFORE.

Isaiah 65:1 I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name. (GENTILE CHRISTIANS)

Isaiah 65:2 I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts; (ISRAEL)

Isaiah 65:3 A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;

Isaiah 65:4 Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels; (NOT EATING THE FLESH OF CHRIST, BUT SWINES FLESH (SPIRITUALLY UNCLEAN)

Isaiah 65:5 Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.

Isaiah 65:6 Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom, (THEIR DAY IS COMING)

Isaiah 65:7 Your iniquities, and the iniquities of your fathers together, saith the LORD, which have burned incense upon the mountains, and blasphemed me upon the hills: therefore will I measure their former work into their bosom. (YOUR FATHERS, ISRAEL)

Isaiah 65:8 Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all. (THE NEW WINE IS THE TEACHINGS OF CHRIST. AMONGST ISRAEL THERE WERE THOSE FEW WHO DRANK THIS NEW WINE. FOR THEIR SAKES GOD WILL NOT DESTROY ISRAEL'S NAME, FOR THE BLESSING IN IT WAS THE WORD OF GOD PREACHED BY THE APOSTLES AND THEIR FOLLOWERS)

Isaiah 65:9 And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there. (JESUS CHRIST IS THAT SEED, AND THOSE WHO FOLLOW HIM ARE THE SAINTS WHO WILL “INHERIT” ALL THINGS. THOSE SERVANTS WHO WILL DWELL THERE IN THE KINGDOM, ARE THE JEWS WHO WILL BE BROUGHT BACK IN THE FLESH. THEY HAVE NOT INHERITED YET, BUT JUST DWELL THERE. FLESH JEWS AND SPIRITUAL SAINTS LIVING IN THE SAME KINGDOM TOGETHER ON EARTH, PROPHECY)

Isaiah 65:10 And Sharon shall be a fold of flocks, and the valley of Achor a place for the herds to lie down in, for my people that have sought me.
SHARON IS ISRAEL. THE NEW FLOCKS WILL COME OUT OF HER. THAT PLACE THEY LIE DOWN IN IS THE KINGDOM ON EARTH, PROPHECY)

Isaiah 65:11 But ye are they that forsake the LORD, that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for that troop, and that furnish the drink offering unto that number. (SPEAKING TO ISRAEL AGAIN. THEY HAVE GIVEN CONTAMINATED DRINK TO THEIR PEOPLE. LIES).

Isaiah 65:12 Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not. (GOD HAS NUMBERED THE ONES WHO WILL BE SLAUGHTERED DURING THE WRATH TO COME. THIS WOULD BE THE WAR TO COME IN ISRAEL. THESE WOULD BE THE VERY WICKED.)

Isaiah 65:13 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, my servants shall eat, but ye shall be hungry: behold, my servants shall drink, but ye shall be thirsty: behold, my servants shall rejoice, but ye shall be ashamed: (GOD IS SEPARATING THE WICKED ONES HERE. OBVIOUSLY, THOSE THAT DRINK AND REJOICE, WILL BE THE ONES ACCEPTED INTO THE KINGDOM WHEN CHRIST RETURNS. THE OTHERS WILL BE LEFT OUT, AND WE CAN SEE THAT NOT ALL WILL BE KILLED, BUT WILL LIVE TO REGRET AND WITNESS THEIR SHAME.)

Isaiah 65:14 Behold, my servants shall sing for joy of heart, but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart, and shall howl for vexation of spirit.
(REMEMBER THIS SCRIPTURE
Luke 13:28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

Isaiah 65:15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:
(THE CHOSEN WILL NEVER FORGET WHAT THEY DID, AND HOW THEIR ACTIONS PUT A CURSE ON THEM,
ISRAELS NEW NAME SHALL BE CALLED HEPHZIBAH (ISAIAH 61:4)

Quote

because when the Lord comes for the church, all those who are caught up to be with him will receive a spiritual body never to die no more.

Yes that is the saints. The others are of Israel that God will restore. They will “dwell” in the kingdom, in the flesh. Do you see the difference?

June 7, 2014 at 9:52 am#387560

Participant

Quote (942767 @ June 07 2014,20:30)

I will bet that Nick can find it for us.

Love in Christ,
Marty

Marty, I hope to address the other verses in Isaiah 65, because they are the ones that give a glimpse of the kingdom to come. And I would like to show you where they fit in if you can be patient with me.
But I have to step out for a little while, and will return.

June 7, 2014 at 10:28 am#387561

Participant

Hi J42:

The Apostle Paul states:

Quote

Romans 9
King James Version (KJV)
9 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,

2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.

3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:

4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

I just don't see any one living in the flesh after the Lord comes for the church, except those who are being judged by the seven last plagues. The scriptures state that there is not more forgiveness if someone has received the mark of the beast, that includes all who are left behind when the Lord comes for the church. there will be a second resurrection for those who died in their sins during the NT era. Anyone who is saved must believe the gospel.

Wakeup states that the temple will be built during the 1000 year reign, but if the Anti-Christ, sets himself up in the temple showing himself to be God, as 2 Thes:

Quote

2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Also, this is the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel, to which the Lord makes reference, and it occurs, just prior to the great tribulation, and is the onset of the tribulation which will trigger the Return of the Lord for the church.

Love in Christ,
Marty

June 7, 2014 at 11:33 am#387570

Participant

Marty.

I did not say this.

Quote

Wakeup states that the temple will be built during the 1000 year reign, but if the Anti-Christ, sets himself up in the temple showing himself to be God, as 2 Thes:

Not during the thousand year reign, but when israel is trodden down by the gentiles for 3/ha;f years.

wakeup.

June 7, 2014 at 11:47 am#387580

Participant

Quote

Hi J42:

The Apostle Paul states:

Romans 9
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: (BECAUSE WE GENTILES IF WE FOLLOW CHRIST, WILL BE ADOPTED INTO THEIR FAMILY SPIRITUALLY)

7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. (GOD PROMISED ABRAHAM THAT HE WOULD MAKE HIS CHILDREN AS THE NUMBER OF THE SAND OF THE SEA. HE IS TALKING ABOUT ISRAEL HERE, NOT GENTILES. HE MADE THAT PROMISE TO ABRAHAM, BUT IN HIS SON ISAAC, GOD IS TALKING ABOUT SPIRITUAL CHILDREN. THEY ARE THE GENTILES WHO BELIEVE ON CHRIST. THEY GET ADOPTED INTO THE FAMILY TO RECEIVE AN INHERITANCE)

8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. (THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH IS ISRAEL, ABRAHAMS DESCENDANTS. THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE IN ISAAC ARE THE GENTILES. SPIRITUAL JEWS.

We are the adopted Israelites spiritually. We have come into their inheritance. We gentiles are not of the same seed of Abraham (Jewish blood) but of Isaac, the promise. The children of the flesh (Israel) are not the children of God (spiritually speaking) but are the children of the promise (those who follow christ) and are counted for the seed. The children of the promise are the true sons of God because they followed Christ. They will be the saints. They will be resurrected at the coming. The children of the flesh (Israel) according to God's promise to Abraham will dwell in the Kingdom on earth to come. They will multiply as the number of the sand of the sea, but will not be resurrected into a spiritual body, but bought back to life in their flesh bodies. Then Satan will be released after the 1000 years to attack the camp of the saints (battle of Gog and Magog) How can he attack just spirit? No he is attacking those of the flesh within the kingdom's walls (The Jews). Gog will only surround the camp however, and not touch one of them as God will send fire down “From Heaven” and destroy him.

Quote

I just don't see any one living in the flesh after the Lord comes for the church, except those who are being judged by the seven last plagues.

You need to go to revelations again. After Christ comes, he destroys Babylon with the false prophet, and the beast (10 leaders). He locks Satan up for 1000 years. He says that Christ and the saints will rule for those 1000 years. So you need to think who they will rule over if there are no populations yet. Where they live is called the “Camp of the Saints” The saints must be there ruling over who?.
Israel of course (future saints)
Ezekiel 37 tells us that the flesh will be put back on the dead jews, and God will breath into them and they shall live again. They will have FLESH put on their bodies. Not spirit. Ezekiel is the key here to whom the kingdom consists of besides the saints.

Quote

The scriptures state that there is not more forgiveness if someone has received the mark of the beast, that includes all who are left behind when the Lord comes for the church.

You are quite right.
Those who receive the Mark of the Beast cannot “inherit” the kingdom. In other words they will not take part in the first resurrection. They will not be raised spirit.
As for the Jews in the flesh who will make up the new Israel, …the ones who are already dead from long time ago will not have that mark of the beast. They can enter, (only by God's choosing) but enter only in the flesh.
The Jews who survived having the Mark of the Beast will not be able to enter also, so this means that their children to come without the mark will enter. A thousand years is a long time for them to multiply. Just like Moses leading them to the promised land, the bad ones did not enter, but died on the way, but their children did enter.
There would be a few Jews who will refuse the Mark also for whatever reason, but do not know Christ, therefore they will get a chance in the kingdom.

Quote

there will be a second resurrection for those who died in their sins during the NT era. Anyone who is saved must believe the gospel.

God is fair and anyone who is judged in the 2nd resurrection will be judged by the books (their deeds) It is not according to them knowing Christ or not, but according to their heart.

Quote

Wakeup states that the temple will be built during the 1000 year reign, but if the Anti-Christ, sets himself up in the temple showing himself to be God, as 2 Thes:

I read those scriptures you gave. The difference is that the temple the False prophet sets himself up in is not God's Temple, but his own. A counterfeit. The real third temple is an area not built with walls, but a spiritual temple. The angels and saints will be their walls. There are boundaries in this temple, and the measurements are given. Jerusalem it's headquarters and the land of Israel. Israel's borders will be enlarged, I can't remember how far it will go up to. Lebonon I think, anyway, it covers the steps that Abraham walked.

Quote

Yes that is right.

June 7, 2014 at 6:26 pm#387608

Participant

Quote (Wakeup @ June 07 2014,22:33)

Marty.

I did not say this.

Quote

Wakeup states that the temple will be built during the 1000 year reign, but if the Anti-Christ, sets himself up in the temple showing himself to be God, as 2 Thes:

Not during the thousand year reign, but when israel is trodden down by the gentiles for 3/half years

wakeup.

Ok., maybe I misunderstood, if so, I apologize.

I am not certain exactly when it will be built, but it has to be built for the jews who do not believe that Jesus is the Messiah to begin to offer animal sacrifices, and for the anti-christ to stop them from doing this after 3 1/2 years, and to set himself up in the temple showing himself to be God.

Love in Christ,
Marty

June 7, 2014 at 6:34 pm#387609

Participant

Quote (journey42 @ June 07 2014,22:47)

Quote

Hi J42:

The Apostle Paul states:

Quote

I just don't see any one living in the flesh after the Lord comes for the church, except those who are being judged by the seven last plagues.

Quote

The scriptures state that there is not more forgiveness if someone has received the mark of the beast, that includes all who are left behind when the Lord comes for the church.

Quote

there will be a second resurrection for those who died in their sins during the NT era. Anyone who is saved must believe the gospel.

God is fair and anyone who is judged in the 2nd resurrection will be judged by the books (their deeds) It is not according to them knowing Christ or not, but according to their heart.

Quote

Wakeup states that the temple will be built during the 1000 year reign, but if the Anti-Christ, sets himself up in the temple showing himself to be God, as 2 Thes:

Quote

Yes that is right.

Hi J42: I will try to answer your post item by item later tonight at work, but for now, I would just like to leave you with the following scripture:

Quote

Gal 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Gal 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Love in Christ,
Marty

June 8, 2014 at 7:28 am#387732

Participant

Hi J42:

You post Romans 9 along with your comments as pasted below:

Quote

No, Paul is speaking about the descendants of Abraham according to his flesh in these scriptures, and makes it clear that just because they are Jews, that does not make them the “Israel of God”. The word “Israel” means “prince with God”. There are secular jews which are of the “nation of Israel”, but not all serve God, neither as Messianic Christians or as Orthodox Jews.

But Paul says that the only way for one to be the “Israel of God” by the following means as God told Abraham: “in Isaac shall thy seed be called”. Ishmael was a descendant of Abraham but God told Abraham that Ishmael was not his heir, but Isaac and those called to God through him are His heirs. Isaac was the promised child and is symbolic of the promised Messiah, Jesus God's Son and His Christ, and it is through him that all of God's children are reconciled unto him.

Paul states:

Quote

Gal 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Quote

Galatians 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

I said:

Quote

I just don't see any one living in the flesh after the Lord comes for the church, except those who are being judged by the seven last plagues.

And you said in response:

Quote

My response:

Quote

If they are ruling with Christ during the 1000 year period, and as you say, there are no populations yet, after the 1000 year period is when they are raised, then they are not ruling over these during this period as people populating the earth.

The scriptures do not tell us precisely over whom they will be ruling, but I believe that they will be judging the dead who died in their sins and helping Jesus in making a determination as to their punishment when they are resurrected. I say this, that they are judging those who died in their sins at this time, and perhaps helping with the judgment of those on whom is being poured out the seven last plagues during the 1000 year period because of these scriptures:

Quote

1 Corinthians 6
King James Version (KJV)
6 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?

2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

And this:

Quote

Revelation 20
King James Version (KJV)
20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

And this:

Quote

11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And
Lord Of Lords.

17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

And you say:

Quote

Israel of course (future saints)
Ezekiel 37 tells us that the flesh will be put back on the dead jews, and God will breath into them and they shall live again. They will have FLESH put on their bodies. Not spirit. Ezekiel is the key here to whom the kingdom consists of besides the saints.

God is not speaking to Jews that have died and whom that he will resurrect, but to those Jews who in their babylonian captivity have lost hope:

Quote

11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

I said:

Quote

The scriptures state that there is not more forgiveness if someone has received the mark of the beast, that includes all who are left behind when the Lord comes for the church.

And you said:

Quote

The Jews who survived having the Mark of the Beast will not be able to enter also, so this means that their children to come without the mark will enter. A thousand years is a long time for them to multiply. Just like Moses leading them to the promised land, the bad ones did not enter, but died on the way, but their children did enter.
There would be a few Jews who will refuse the Mark also for whatever reason, but do not know Christ, therefore they will get a chance in the kingdom.

Quote

My response is:

There will be no flesh and blood that will enter the kingdom of God. The OT jews entering the promised land is symbolic of the “true promised land” to whom God will give the land of promise, and there will be no second chance for those who have died in their sins. If the were obeying God in the OT, thier sins are washed away by the blood of Jesus.

Jews who were obeying the Law of Moses who died prior to the ministry of Jesus here on earth will be resrrected with the same spiritual body as the rest of the dead in Christ. They obeyed the Law, but not without sinning if only inadvertantly, but the blood of Jesus washes away their sins. This is what the scriptures teach:

Quote

Hebrews 9
King James Version (KJV)
9 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.

2 For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.

3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;

4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;

5 And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.

6 Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.

7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:

8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.

19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,

20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.

21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.

22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

23 It was therefore necessary that the pattern
s of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for

The Apostle Peter states the following, and references David who died serving God in the OT said the following:

Quote

Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:

26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:

27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.

29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

I said:

Quote

there will be a second resurrection for those who died in their sins during the NT era. Anyone who is saved must believe the gospel.

And you said:

Quote

God is fair and anyone who is judged in the 2nd resurrection will be judged by the books (their deeds) It is not according to them knowing Christ or not, but according to their heart.

My Response:

Quote

I agree that God is fair, but no, if someone has not believed the gospel in the NT era, they will be judged and punished according to their works. In other words, the punishment for those whose sins weren't as great or bad as someone else won't be as severe, but they will not be saved.

This is what the scriptures teach:

Quote

John 8:22 Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come.

23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Quote

John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

Quote

Luke 12:8 Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God:

9 But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.

12:37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.

38 And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.

39 And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.

40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all?

42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?

43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.

45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;

46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes.

Finally you say:

Quote

I read those scriptures you gave. The difference is that the temple the False prophet sets himself up in is not God's Temple, but his own. A counterfeit. The real third temple is an area not built with walls, but a spiritual temple. The angels and saints will be their walls. There are boundaries in this temple, and the measurements are given. Jerusalem it's headquarters and the land of Israel. Israel's borders wil
l be enlarged, I can't remember how far it will go up to. Lebonon I think, anyway, it covers the steps that Abraham walked.

Quote

2 Thes 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

There is no temple in the city that you are describing with its measurements:

Quote

Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

Love in Christ,
Marty

June 10, 2014 at 6:50 pm#388266

terraricca

Participant

how is your discussion bring solid food from scriptures

beats me

June 11, 2014 at 12:31 am#388309

Participant

942767,June wrote:

[/quote]

Quote

There is no temple in the city that you are describing with its measurements:

Hi Marty

Well it's the whole kingdom area actually.

Revelation 21:15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.

Revelation 21:16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.

Revelation 21:17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.

June 11, 2014 at 3:05 pm#388360

Participant

Quote (terraricca @ June 11 2014,05:50)

how is your discussion bring solid food from scriptures

beats me

I know that it beats you because you already know everything, and so, for you it is just milk.

June 11, 2014 at 3:17 pm#388364