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For me it’s better than the convoluted bible and the billions of different opinions about what it says.
Hi Mr Spock,
Archangel means “Chief of Angels” – so if Michael has angels under him, it should
be safe to assume he is Michael the Archangel – since he is in charge of angels.What evidence do you have to suggest that Michael is instead Jesus???
Would it be also safe to assume that YOU believe Michael isn’t even an angel – is this true?
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God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GODT,
do you believe it comes from God ? yes or no ?
You should already know that by my works. If you cannot find that answer by my works then how would you judge my words? I already stated it is my conviction that God was speaking to his angels in the collective sense of we even though the angels contribution was only that of fans of a team. That is my understanding of the English words.
There is also those who believed God speaking to the the earth that he created men from. It is plausible but I favor the angels because we are in the likeness of at lest some of them as is displayed the two angels Lot entertained.
We have lost the context of the book of Genesis and other Scriptures which makes it near impossible to be certain a interpretation was the original intent. We can still come up with true interpretations.
Jesus had legions of angels at his disposal, the demons were subservient to him as well. He had the power to lay down his life and take it up again. As the Son he created the angels and the earth, so I don’t understand this argument that you present about how Jesus aka Michael could only be an archangel if he had command of angels?
Michael in Hebrew means “Who is like God”? The name Michael first appears as a proper name in the the Bible in Numbers and Chronicles, then an Archangel named Michael appears in Daniel. In the BOR it’s just Michael.
K
You should already know that by my works. If you cannot find that answer by my works then how would you judge my words? I already stated it is my conviction that God was speaking to his angels in the collective sense of we even though the angels contribution was only that of fans of a team. That is my understanding of the English words.
but the angel of God spoke to Moses in the tent ,i do not know why you come up with your version of the facts what is not supported in scriptures ,i know you are entitled to your opinion
spock
you are wasting your time all those things i know ,and so are many others ,but again you seem not to care answering questions and so fly by and dump,
so enjoy i have no interest
T,
but the angel of God spoke to Moses in the tent ,i do not know why you come up with your version of the facts what is not supported in scriptures ,i know you are entitled to your opinion
Exodus 25:22Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
22 And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.
God states he communes about the commandments. A human being wrote about the events that are mixed in with the laws, possibly even as they were occurring or soon after.
Mr Spock,
You appear to be dodging my question, so I’ll ask again:
Do YOU believe that the Michael in Rev. isn’t an angel?Please answer this time. 🙂
Jesus had legions of angels at his disposal, the demons were subservient to him as well. He had the power to lay down his life and take it up again. As the Son he created the angels and the earth, so I don’t understand this argument that you present about how Jesus aka Michael could only be an archangel if he had command of angels?
Hi Mr. Spock,
God has ALL the angels under his disposal, yet you do not consider him
as Michael because he has angels under his disposal, so why Jesus?___________
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GODNo! Michael of Revelation is Not an archangel, that was my position from the beginning, it was the very reason that you responded to me, so cut thus prosecutorial crap about how I’m dodging your question!
The books used to make the Catholics bible say different things at different times. The surviving fragments of the book of revelation tell of the past events of the “war in heaven” it was ideological. Lucifer, referred to as the “devil” verses the rule of Michael, the creator Son. The war was settled while Michael was on earth incarnate as Jesus.
We don’t know God the Fathers true name, but we do know the name of Michael who came to earth and overcame the devil.
Hi guys,
Sorry for the delay…Days got busier than usual…
As to the ‘our’ in Genesis, it is my belief that this refers to the spirit of Christ, the Firstborn of all Creation…
In Proverbs 8, Wisdom describes ‘herself” as the ‘first of God’s works’…In verses 24 &25, it states, ‘I was brought forth’…If you pull up your dictionary you will find a definition something like this: ‘To be brought forth or come forth’- come out of, come out suddenly or forcefully, happen or occur as a result of something, originate, come into existence, take on form or shape.
Later, in John 16:27, Jesus says that the disciples are loved by God because they love him and ‘believe that ‘I came forth from the Father’.
In the next verse, He states that he came forth from the Father and then came into the world…
In 1 Corinthians 1, Paul will refer to Christ as the ‘power of God and the wisdom of God…
In Colossians 2, he will state that all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge are ‘hidden in Christ’…
Again in Proverbs 8:30, Wisdom will claim to be a ‘master workman’ at God’s side…In my mind, it lends credence to the fact that all things were made through Him…And that we do, in fact, exist through Him…For God…(As Lightenup pointed out in I Corinthians 8:6)…
I believe the spirit that would become our Savior, came forth from the Father as the very first ‘work’ and in the exact image (or form) of God himself…
(Quotes based on the NASB)
All I have time for now…Thanks for sharing…will be back asap…
@gunstar54
Hi! Thanks for sharing your thoughts. We may be on the same page here 🙂
I believe that Prov. 8 speaks about the person of Jesus also. In fact, I believe that on day one of creation when God said “Let there be Light” it was perhaps the announcement of that event of Him bringing the Son forth, His begettal. Anyway, I believe that it has something significant to do with Jesus as the Firstborn over all creation. Some may think this was some sort of creation of a person who didn’t previously exist but He is the eternal life that was with the Father from the beginning and so I believe He existed eternally before being brought forth. I look forward to future conversations with you on this.K
God states he communes about the commandments. A human being wrote about the events that are mixed in with the laws, possibly even as they were occurring or soon after.
Ex 33:9 As Moses went into the tent, the pillar of cloud would come down and stay at the entrance, while the LORD spoke with Moses.
Ex 33:10 Whenever the people saw the pillar of cloud standing at the entrance to the tent, they all stood and worshiped, each at the entrance to his tent.
Ex 33:11 The LORD would speak to Moses face to face, as a man speaks with his friend. Then Moses would return to the camp, but his young aide Joshua son of Nun did not leave the tent.Ex 33:12 Moses said to the LORD, “You have been telling me, ‘Lead these people,’ but you have not let me know whom you will send with me. You have said, ‘I know you by name and you have found favor with me.’
Ex 33:13 If you are pleased with me, teach me your ways so I may know you and continue to find favor with yousorry but Kerwin you have much truth to learn yet
T,
Not one word you quoted contradicted anything I said. In fact is the current events of that time, a news report. Either Moses is reporting on his own activities or a scribe is. There is no reason for angel to tell the writer what was going on because they were an eye witness to the event.
There are events where that the only human witness is Moses and he either write those down in the third person or told the scribe who then write them down. They could also have come from an angel but there was no real need.
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