Know your enemy-ephesians 5:11

[John3:3]

1 JOHN 5:7

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From 1 John-5:7

The first published Greek NT was edited in 1516 by Catholic priest, scholar, and humanist Erasmus in 1516. This edition did not include the disputed words. A revised edition in 1519 also did not include these words. Erasmus was severely criticised by other Catholic priests for not including in Greek these words which were well-known to them from the Latin. Erasmus said that the words were left out simply because he did not find them in any of the Greek manuscripts he had examined, and promised to insert them if they were found in even one Greek manuscript.

An Irish monk deliberately fabricated such a manuscript to meet Erasmus’ requirement. This manuscript (no. 61) was copied from an early manuscript which did not contain the words. The page in this manuscript containing the disputed words is on a special paper and has a glossy finish, unlike any other page in the manuscript. On the basis of this one 16th century deliberately falsified manuscript, Erasmus inserted the disputed words in his 3rd, 4th, and 5th editions of the Greek NT, though he protested that he did not believe the words were genuine.

Nearly all printed Greek NTs from Erasmus until the 19th century were simply reprints of Erasmus’ 4th or 5th edition, and so the words continued to be printed in Greek as part of I John even though there is no sufficient evidence for their inclusion. Recent editions of the Greek NT follow the manuscript evidence and therefore do not insert the words.

The earliest English New Testament, the translation of Wycliffe in the 1380s, was made from medieval Latin manuscripts, and so it includes the disputed words, though it reads “son” instead of “word.” Tyndale’s translation of 1525 was based on Erasmus’ 3rd edition and so it included the words. In the 2nd and 3rd editions of his translation, Tyndale placed the disputed words in parentheses to show that their genuineness was doubtful. Several editions of the NT edited by Tyndale’s assistant Miles Coverdale also placed the disputed words in parentheses or smaller type or both to show that they were disputed. Jugge’s 1552 edition of Tyndale’s NT omitted the parentheses and printed the words in standard type, a practice followed in later English Bibles, including the KJV (based on Beza’s 1598 Greek NT, a virtual reprint of Erasmus’ 4th edition). Recent conservative translations of the NT (ASV, NASB, NIV) delete the disputed words entirely or put them in a footnote because the evidence is conclusive that they were not an original part of John’s letter. [Verse numbers were not added until 1551 in a Greek NT based on Erasmus' 4th edition]

Now 1 John 5:7 is about the closest verse in the Bible that hints at a Trinity and yet that verse is not actually scripture, rather a footnote that was inserted into some texts fraudulently. In scripture we find that Jesus himself never taught the Trinity, on the contrary he taught us that his Father is his God and our God see John 20:17:

Jesus said, Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, `I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.

Read more about 1 John-5:7 here →

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Read more about the Comma Johanneum on Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma_Johanneum

[Wakeup]

Quote (John3:3 @ Aug. 28 2013,14:13)

1 JOHN 5:7

John 3:3.

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

FIRST OF ALL YOU ARE CONTRADICTING THE TRINITY.
FOR IF JESUS IS GOD,THEN YOU HAVE GOD AND THE HOLY SPIRIT; ONLY TWO. WHAT WAS IT BEFORE JESUS WAS BORN?

THREE THAT BEAR RECORD IN HEAVEN.
AND YOU SEE THIS AS THE TRINITY?
THE FATHER AND HIS WORD AND THE TRUTH IS ONE.
THE FATHER HAS GIVEN US HIS WORD, AND WITH IT; THE TRUTH.

THE HOLY *SPIRIT* IS NOT A PERSON,BUT HE IS THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH. WE RESPECT HIM GREATLY, THEREFORE WE ADDRESS HIM AS *HE*.

PROOF: WE ONLY SEE TWO BEINGS IN HEAVEN;
THE FATHER AND THE SON;THERE IS NO THIRD.

THE CATHOLICS HAVE MORE TO ANSWER FOR:
THEY BELIEVE THAT MARY IS THE MOTHER OF GOD.
THEREFORE, THERE SHOULD BE FOUR IN HEAVEN
FIRST OF ALL GODS MOTHER;GOD;HIS SON;AND THE HOLY SPIRIT.WHAT SAY YOU?

1 John 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
IS THERE ALSO A TRINITY ON EARTH?

I AM GOD; AND THERE IS NONE BESIDE ME.
BESIDE ME THERE IS NO SAVIOUR.

DO YOU COUNT THREE?
THIS MYSTERY REEMAINS A MYSTERY UNTILL JESUS
HAS REVEALED IT TO THE PERSON.

wakeup.

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Finally finished them. Episode 69 was withdrawn for copyright reasons. Did anyone see that one. It is called Tolerance.

I thought this series was excellent.

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In response to this video and because I have wanted to do this for a long time, I updated this page to include some of the information in this video:
https://heavennet.net/writings/development-of-the-trinity-doctrine/

For over a decade now I have wanted to do a writing on Mystery Babylon and how it tied in with the Trinity Doctrine. Well I have finally done it. Except instead of being a separate writing, I thought it would fit nicely in the Trinity Writing on this site.

If anyone decides to give it a read, please give me some feedback and point out errors both historical and grammatical.

Hopefully in time it becomes more polished.

Thanks in advance.

[Devolution]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 31 2013,00:25)

In response to this video and because I have wanted to do this for a long time, I updated this page to include some of the information in this video: https://heavennet.net/writings/development-of-the-trinity-doctrine/ For over a decade now I have wanted to do a writing on Mystery Babylon and how it tied in with the Trinity Doctrine. Well I have finally done it. Except instead of being a separate writing, I thought it would fit nicely in the Trinity Writing on this site. If anyone decides to give it a read, please give me some feedback and point out errors both historical and grammatical. Hopefully in time it becomes more polished. Thanks in advance.

I read your report T8 and thought it was very well written.

Unfortunately, those indoctrinated into trinity will just see this as another heretical attack by another misguided Christian wolf dressed in sheeps clothing.

But you never know, some might just listen, and even if it is only one person…that is one less deceived brother, and that IS well worth the effort.

Keep up the fight regardless.

God bless.

[terraricca]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 28 2013,18:59)

Finally finished them. Episode 69 was withdrawn for copyright reasons. Did anyone see that one. It is called Tolerance. I thought this series was excellent.

i have 76 episodes but not 69

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Thanks for your PM terraricca.
If you cannot post that format, then maybe you could FTP it to the server. Do you know how to do that if I give you that access?

Also, I will see if I can allow different formats to post here. If I make any progress on that, I will let you know.

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@ Devolution.

Yes some people are like that, but over the years I have had people say that they thought the writing was revolutionary to them at least. Many times people have said that they knew the Trinity Doctrine was wrong but couldn't articulate why. When they read the writing it was exactly what they needed. Funny thing is that I only ever intended to put the writing up initially (back in 2000 I think) so that people could refute it and then I could see where I had erred and then I was going to make a big apology and preach the Trinity thereafter.

But I was surprised that no one could refute it and that many were encouraged by it. So it stayed online and to this day, I have never heard one good reason to take it down. In fact the more I read, the more reasons I have for keeping it online.

[terraricca]

I have read that quote I find very well spelled but do not trust my English,it was well put together as well,

i only find a little trouble with what you have said about Origen description and got lost in that understanding ;

the way i came across in his view is that he sees that God became the God when he created the son ,what obviously at the same time he became father,separate but image of the father ,yet an separated entity,just like we humans are ALL CONNECTED BUT SEPARATED BY OUR WILLS AND DESIRES ETC;;; I THINK THIS IS TRUE BECAUSE IT IS THIS THAT WOULD MAKE IT POSSIBLE FOR SATAN TO BE WHAT HE DID ,AND LATER PAUL SAYING ABOUT GOD ; Ephesians 4:4-6 (English-NIV)
4 there is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called
5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

THE CALL IS WHAT MAKES US TO BE SEPARATED FROM GOD BUT BY JOINING THE CALL (ACCEPTING IT ) WE UNITE TO GOD

do i have that wrong somewhere tell me if i do

thanks

[terraricca]

I have also find something that realy took my sleep of my head ,it was so little detail that I never considered it a great fact ,

it was the origin of the trinity ,this i know very well ,but you pointing out that according to Daniel BABYLON was the first world power ,,after thinking strait ,yes this is true according to the description of the statue ,my lovely wife told me this but it stayed in my mine for years ,but statute verses beast with seven heads do not match up ,and that's where now i can not sleep.:D why do they not match up ,

I get back later ,if you have any idea let me know

thanks

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