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Proverbs 30:4
Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?Why would a Christian take this verse and assume they can answer the question “What is His son's name?” with Jesus? At the time the question was asked what do you suppose the answer was considering that Jesus had not been born yet?
Hi BD,
Confusion! Seems you are confining YHVH to linear time.
The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.“And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship [the leopard beast],
whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from
the foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear.” (Rev 13:8-9)B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 18 2012,14:24) Hi BD, Confusion! Seems you are confining YHVH to linear time.
The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.“And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship [the leopard beast],
whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from
the foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear.” (Rev 13:8-9)B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)
Proverbs 30:4 is about what ED?Hi BD,
It's clearly speaking about: [יהוה] YÄ-hä-vā and HIS SON [יהשוע]YÄ-shü-ă
Here is the context…
Prov 30:4-6 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists?
who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth?
what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell? Every word of God is pure:
he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.Therefore, all muslins are found to be LIARS and ANTICHRIST!
“He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.” (1John 2:22)That means a trip to the 'lake of fire, sorry!
Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers,
and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part
in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the SECOND DEATH.Witness (Ed) עד (Joshua 22:34)
Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 18 2012,15:41) Hi BD, It's clearly speaking about: [יהוה] YÄ-hä-vā and HIS SON [יהשוע]YÄ-shü-ă
Here is the context…
Prov 30:4-6 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists?
who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth?
what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell? Every word of God is pure:
he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.Therefore, all muslins are found to be LIARS and ANTICHRIST!
“He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.” (1John 2:22)That means a trip to the 'lake of fire, sorry!
Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers,
and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part
in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the SECOND DEATH.Witness (Ed) עד (Joshua 22:34)
EDWhen the proverb was written hundreds and hundreds of years before Jesus was born who was the writer talking about? Are you stating that the writer would have said Jesus?
The sixth verse says “6Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.”
But that's exactly what you have done and would have to do to assume the passage was talking about Jesus. How would Jesus have Ascended to Heaven before he was born ED?
You don't understand the context of TIME so you are taking knowledge and inserting it backwards.
proverbs 30:3 could very well apply to you:
Proverbs 30:3
King James Version (KJV)
3 I neither learned wisdom, nor have the knowledge of the holy.
Now seriously if you want to have an honest discussion be honest. How do you derive that those verses are referring to Jesus? Isn't it true that because you consider what you believe about Jesus and reverse apply that belief?
Let me explain how this type of reverse application works. I believe in Islam and the Quran was sent down after Christianity I read in the Bible
Matthew 21:43
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken away from you, and shall be given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.I then say “see, this is about Islam” Because as you know Christianity is in a shambles with so many denominations so the Bible predicted this decline of Christianity and is speaking of the coming Islam” Now with that being said you will undoubtedly not believe it and say that can't apply like that but you clearly applied the same logic considering Proverbs 30:4-6
Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 18 2012,14:24) Hi BD, Confusion! Seems you are confining YHVH to linear time.
The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.“And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship [the leopard beast],
whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from
the foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear.” (Rev 13:8-9)B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)
Hi BD,Did you somehow miss this post?
Witness (Ed) עד (Joshua 22:34)
Hi BD,
1 Tim 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh,
justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Proverbs 30:4 is about YHVH, and Yashua is his son. You prove over and over just how little you know about “God's word”!Witness (Ed) עד (Joshua 22:34)
Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 18 2012,17:41) Therefore, all muslins are found to be LIARS and ANTICHRIST! Ed, how can they be ALL Liars if they are simply raised that way, to believe the Quran?
Is it their fault?
No.I mean, it is not out of choice is it? It's all they know.
Quote (shimmer @ Mar. 18 2012,20:22) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 18 2012,17:41) Therefore, all muslins are found to be LIARS and ANTICHRIST! Ed, how can they be ALL Liars if they are simply raised that way, to believe the Quran?
Is it their fault?
No.I mean, it is not out of choice is it? It's all they know.
NOT EVEN ONE SINGLE MUSLIM IS ANTI-CHRIST, If anyone can show me a single Muslim is Anti-Christ I will convert to Christianity instantlyQuote (Ed J @ Mar. 18 2012,15:41) Looks like you've been worshiping the wrong god, sorry!
Either stick to the thread topic or don't post.Explain the context of the verse mentioned. You cannot do it without reverse application how would you interpret or answer the question in that proverb 1 day before Christ was known to you?
Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 18 2012,19:48) Hi BD, 1 Tim 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh,
justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Proverbs 30:4 is about YHVH, and Yashua is his son. You prove over and over just how little you know about “God's word”!Witness (Ed) עד (Joshua 22:34)
You are showing your ignorance again. Of course God was made manifest in Jesus Christ but that couln't apply to the proverb before Jesus was born, so in the context of the proverb how could it be applied to those who read it 50 years before Jesus was born?Quote (shimmer @ Mar. 18 2012,20:22) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 18 2012,17:41) Therefore, all muslins are found to be LIARS and ANTICHRIST! Ed, how can they be ALL Liars if they are simply raised that way, to believe the Quran?
Is it their fault?
No.I mean, it is not out of choice is it? It's all they know.
Hi Shimmer,A 'liar' is someone who lies.
A 'robber' is someone who robs.
A 'murderer' is someone who murders.Do you have trouble understand this simple FACT?
You are not the judge, did you somehow 'think' that you were, Internet person?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 18 2012,20:33) Quote (shimmer @ Mar. 18 2012,20:22) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 18 2012,17:41) Therefore, all muslins are found to be LIARS and ANTICHRIST! Ed, how can they be ALL Liars if they are simply raised that way, to believe the Quran?
Is it their fault?
No.I mean, it is not out of choice is it? It's all they know.
NOT EVEN ONE SINGLE MUSLIM IS ANTI-CHRIST, If anyone can show me a single Muslim is Anti-Christ I will convert to Christianity instantly
“He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.” (1John 2:22)Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 18 2012,20:36) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 18 2012,15:41) Looks like you've been worshiping the wrong god, sorry!
Either stick to the thread topic or don't post.Explain the context of the verse mentioned. You cannot do it without reverse application how would you interpret or answer the question in that proverb 1 day before Christ was known to you?
Hi BD,Either you want me to post or you don't; NO CONDITIONS!
Witness (Ed) עד (Joshua 22:34)
Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 18 2012,22:43) You are not the judge, did you somehow 'think' that you were, Internet person?
Wow, you have got really angry at me lately Ed.Why?
No! DONT ANSWER!
Quote (shimmer @ Mar. 18 2012,20:53) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 18 2012,22:43) You are not the judge, did you somehow 'think' that you were, Internet person?
Wow, you have got really angry at me lately Ed.Why?
Hi Shimmer, (see Colossians 3:3 and James 1:20)What are you talking about? …I ain't mad at you?
I eliminated anger out of my life a L O N G time ago!
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)Reason for edit: to remove “No! DONT ANSWER!” out of Shimmer's quote
Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 18 2012,20:44) Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 18 2012,20:33) Quote (shimmer @ Mar. 18 2012,20:22) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 18 2012,17:41) Therefore, all muslins are found to be LIARS and ANTICHRIST! Ed, how can they be ALL Liars if they are simply raised that way, to believe the Quran?
Is it their fault?
No.I mean, it is not out of choice is it? It's all they know.
NOT EVEN ONE SINGLE MUSLIM IS ANTI-CHRIST, If anyone can show me a single Muslim is Anti-Christ I will convert to Christianity instantly
“He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.” (1John 2:22)
1 John 4:2
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:EVERY SINGLE MUSLIM MUST BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST HAS COME IN THE FLESH so therefore EVERY MUSLIM IS of GOD and that makes you A LIAR and someone who does not study seriously.
P.S. Stop abusing SHIMMER she is way to nice to be treated like that. SOME CHRISTIAN you are but Oh Yea! You're showing yourself a hypocrite again
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