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Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 28 2010,16:09) ED you do realize that if you are right about the dome of the rock what do you think will occur if it is replaced with another temple and Sacrificing there is allowed wouldn't that simply show that Jesus was not any sort of last sacrifice for all the world?
bodthe dome of the rock ,will never be replace,it will be destroyed ,just as the physical temple of the Jews will never be rebuilt,
the same with all other temples and churches they all are mainly places of idolatry of some sort.
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2010,10:06) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 28 2010,13:13) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2010,04:50) bod what s up ??
the Koran has no need for ,God the creator has his son to show all things, no other god can be worshiped,only
Jehovah that s is his name,Pierre
Then what was the need for Paul?
bodPaul ,was preaching to the gentiles the God of the Jews ,Jehovah,
so to the gentiles he is critical
Pierre
Muhammad was teaching the Arabs and all others about the God of the Jews, have you never read the Quaran?Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 28 2010,17:26) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2010,10:06) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 28 2010,13:13) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2010,04:50) bod what s up ??
the Koran has no need for ,God the creator has his son to show all things, no other god can be worshiped,only
Jehovah that s is his name,Pierre
Then what was the need for Paul?
bodPaul ,was preaching to the gentiles the God of the Jews ,Jehovah,
so to the gentiles he is critical
Pierre
Muhammad was teaching the Arabs and all others about the God of the Jews, have you never read the Quaran?
boddon't make me luff,MAHUMMAD,did not preached the God of the Jews Jehovah,
could you show me that??
and how did he do it ??remember that Jehovah does not like forced slave ,it is well documented all what Christ as preached,the son of God
so were is Muhammad fits in??
Pierre
Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 28 2010,10:25) Allah & Satan are One Enjoy!
“And the spirit replied, 'I will go out and inspire all of Ahab's prophets to speak lies.' “'You will succeed,' said the LORD. 'Go ahead and do it.'
2 Chronicles 18:21Now therefore behold, the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouth of these your prophets. The LORD has declared disaster concerning you.”
2 Chronicles 18:22Then the LORD said to Moses, “Go in to Pharaoh, for I have hardened his heart and the heart of his servants, that I may show these signs of mine among them,
Exodus 10:1Therefore, God has mercy on whomever he chooses, and he hardens the heart of whomever he chooses.
Romans 9:18“He has blinded their eyes and deadened their hearts, so they can neither see with their eyes, nor understand with their hearts, nor turn–and I would heal them.”
John 12:40
Can you please post videos of people who are knowledgeable? Most of these people make videos with little or no research which makes them easy to dismiss. Now prove the verses of my response are wrong and then you will have accomplished something but you can't their written in the Bible
Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 28 2010,17:35) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 28 2010,10:25) Allah & Satan are One Enjoy!
“And the spirit replied, 'I will go out and inspire all of Ahab's prophets to speak lies.' “'You will succeed,' said the LORD. 'Go ahead and do it.'
2 Chronicles 18:21Now therefore behold, the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouth of these your prophets. The LORD has declared disaster concerning you.”
2 Chronicles 18:22Then the LORD said to Moses, “Go in to Pharaoh, for I have hardened his heart and the heart of his servants, that I may show these signs of mine among them,
Exodus 10:1Therefore, God has mercy on whomever he chooses, and he hardens the heart of whomever he chooses.
Romans 9:18“He has blinded their eyes and deadened their hearts, so they can neither see with their eyes, nor understand with their hearts, nor turn–and I would heal them.”
John 12:40
Can you please post videos of people who are knowledgeable? Most of these people make videos with little or no research which makes them easy to dismiss. Now prove the verses of my response are wrong and then you will have accomplished something but you can't their written in the Bible
boddo you know why you show those bible verses??
i can not figure it out
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2010,12:20) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 28 2010,17:35) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 28 2010,10:25) Allah & Satan are One Enjoy!
“And the spirit replied, 'I will go out and inspire all of Ahab's prophets to speak lies.' “'You will succeed,' said the LORD. 'Go ahead and do it.'
2 Chronicles 18:21Now therefore behold, the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouth of these your prophets. The LORD has declared disaster concerning you.”
2 Chronicles 18:22Then the LORD said to Moses, “Go in to Pharaoh, for I have hardened his heart and the heart of his servants, that I may show these signs of mine among them,
Exodus 10:1Therefore, God has mercy on whomever he chooses, and he hardens the heart of whomever he chooses.
Romans 9:18“He has blinded their eyes and deadened their hearts, so they can neither see with their eyes, nor understand with their hearts, nor turn–and I would heal them.”
John 12:40
Can you please post videos of people who are knowledgeable? Most of these people make videos with little or no research which makes them easy to dismiss. Now prove the verses of my response are wrong and then you will have accomplished something but you can't their written in the Bible
boddo you know why you show those bible verses??
i can not figure it out
Pierre
Because the accusation trie to pit the Bible against The Quran when they are the same and talks about THE SAME GODbod
you say;;Because the accusation trie to pit the Bible against The Quran when they are the same and talks about THE SAME GOD
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YOU KNOW THAT IS NOT TRUE,THE BIBLE IS BY IT SELF CONDEMNING THE CONTENTS OF THE KORAN,
JUST READ IT ,THE KORAN EXIST BY THE WILL OF ONE MAN AND HIS EGO, HE HAS THOUSANDS KILLING ON HIS HANDS,
JESUS SAYS HE IS THE TRUE SHEPHERD,HE AS GIVEN IS LIVE FOR HIS SHEEP;Pierre
ps;you are very selective in your respond to my quotes,i wander why that is
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2010,15:48) bod you say;;Because the accusation trie to pit the Bible against The Quran when they are the same and talks about THE SAME GOD
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YOU KNOW THAT IS NOT TRUE,THE BIBLE IS BY IT SELF CONDEMNING THE CONTENTS OF THE KORAN,
JUST READ IT ,THE KORAN EXIST BY THE WILL OF ONE MAN AND HIS EGO, HE HAS THOUSANDS KILLING ON HIS HANDS,
JESUS SAYS HE IS THE TRUE SHEPHERD,HE AS GIVEN IS LIVE FOR HIS SHEEP;Pierre
ps;you are very selective in your respond to my quotes,i wander why that is
The Bible does not in any way condemn the Quran they speak the same information.And remember We took a covenant from the Children of Israel (to this effect): Worship none but Allah. treat with kindness your parents and kindred, and orphans and those in need; speak fair to the people; be steadfast in prayer; and practise regular charity. Then did ye turn back, except a few among you, and ye backslide (even now).
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #83)Where in the bible is this behaviour condemned?
O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,- of Satan's handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper.
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #90)Show me where the bible condemns this statement.
And all abomination shun!
( سورة المدثر , Al-Muddathir, Chapter #74, Verse #5)Show me where the bible disputes this
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Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 28 2010,23:10) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2010,15:48) bod you say;;Because the accusation trie to pit the Bible against The Quran when they are the same and talks about THE SAME GOD
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YOU KNOW THAT IS NOT TRUE,THE BIBLE IS BY IT SELF CONDEMNING THE CONTENTS OF THE KORAN,
JUST READ IT ,THE KORAN EXIST BY THE WILL OF ONE MAN AND HIS EGO, HE HAS THOUSANDS KILLING ON HIS HANDS,
JESUS SAYS HE IS THE TRUE SHEPHERD,HE AS GIVEN IS LIVE FOR HIS SHEEP;Pierre
ps;you are very selective in your respond to my quotes,i wander why that is
The Bible does not in any way condemn the Quran they speak the same information.And remember We took a covenant from the Children of Israel (to this effect): Worship none but Allah. treat with kindness your parents and kindred, and orphans and those in need; speak fair to the people; be steadfast in prayer; and practise regular charity. Then did ye turn back, except a few among you, and ye backslide (even now).
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #83)Where in the bible is this behaviour condemned?
O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,- of Satan's handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper.
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #90)Show me where the bible condemns this statement.
And all abomination shun!
( سورة المدثر , Al-Muddathir, Chapter #74, Verse #5)Show me where the bible disputes this
bodagain you do not answer but find a way in your head to not answer the question that are requested from you,
here is some of Islam history;
As you will see below, Muhammad posed as an apostle of God. Yet his life is filled with lustfulness (12 marriages and sex with a child, slaves and concubines), rapes, warfare, conquests, and unmerciful butcheries. The infinitely good, just and all holy God simply cannot tolerate anything in the least unjust or sinful. What Muhammad produced in the Qur'an is simply a book of gibberish consisting of later evil verses abrogating (superseding) earlier peaceful verses. These verses in Arabic poetically “tickle” the ears of Arab listeners. Islam is a caustic blend of paganism and twisted Bible stories. Muhammad, its lone “prophet”, who made no prophecies, conceived his religion to satiate his lust for power, sex, and money. He was a terrorist. And if you think these conclusions are shocking, wait until you see the evidence mostly from Islamic historians below. 70% of what is here is from Muslim and ex-Muslim historians – back to the 8th century.
The Sirat Rasul Allah was written by Ibn Ishaq in 750 A.D. He died in 773 A.D. It was edited and abridged by Abd al-Malik ibn Hisham in 828 A.D. and translated by Alfred Guillaume under the title, The Life of Muhammad in 1955 by Oxford Press. Abd al-Malik ibn Hisham's “Life of Muhammad” relied on the earlier works. Ulmar al-Waqidi of Medina, who died in 825 A.D. produced a work, which portions of which have survived, called “The Expeditions of Muhammad”. The History of al-Tabari was written by Abu Muhammad bin al-Tabari between 870 and 920 A.D. His monumental work was translated and published in 1987 through 1997 by the State University of New York Press. Make sure you study I, II, VI, VII, VIII, and IX. Al-Bukhari's Hadith, titled: Sahih Al-Bukhari and The True Traditions which was collected by Imam Bukhari in 850 A.D. Be sure to use the collector's original nomenclature because the only printed English translation (Publisher-Maktaba Dar-us-Salam, Translator-Muhammad Khan) was abridged and erroneously numbered. Finally, I recommend that you acquire at least three of the following Qur'an translations: Ahmed Ali, Pikthal, Noble by Muhsin Khan, Yusuf Ali, or Shakir. The oldest Qur'an fragments date to around 725 A.D. – a century after they were first recited.The main intent of this article is to warn Christians who may be “fooled” into Islam, because they did not have all the facts. It is a matter of grave concern. If you reject Jesus and the salvation He made possible — and follow Islam, your entire salvation (where you will spend eternity) is at stake. Islam can deceive you. It can fool the very elect. It rejects the salvation Jesus has made possible. Islam spreads the lie that Jesus never even died on a cross. That alone makes it demonic. This document also exists as a reference document to get out the truth which Muslims are never allowed to see. Of all the holy books in the world, Satan has taken pains to ensure that Muhammad and his Qur'an defiantly stand in diametrical opposition to Jesus, the Son of God, the true Prince of Peace – and his New Testament.
The immortal souls of billions of individuals are involved here. To good Muslims I say; “I have sympathy with your having to grow up in a closed society — where not embracing Islam would have gotten you shunned or even killed”. According to many interpretations of the Qur'an (aka: Koran), conversion to a faith other than Islam is punishable by death. Like Satan's slavery, Islam maintains a choke hold on its followers. This sorrowful situation most Muslims are born into should arouse compassion and not scorn, from the followers of the Christ.
Jesus never said a true prophet would appear in the last days. Rather, He said false prophets would arise who would deceive, if possible, the very elect.
You can always know a false god.
False gods always demand the blood of innocents.
Whenever the innocent and just are being slain, there you will find Moloch the god Ba'al; always masquerading.The god of Muslims is revealed as a tyrant who demands Muslims and all others submit to him. Whereas in the New Testament, Jesus revealed to Christians a God who is a loving Father, who wants us to come to Him via free will. In the Old Testament (Exodus 34:6) the real God revealed Himself as “merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth”. He is the Creator of the Universe, the God of Love, and Lord of Life. The God of Israel is this true God. He insists “Thou shall not kill the innocent and just”.
When a Muslim declares that Islam is a religion of peace, he/she is either ignorant of the Koran (Qur'an), or is deceitfully thinking of this “peace”, as it extends only to those within the Muslim Community. The deceit is that they will not tell you exactly what they mean. According to the Qur'an: “Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah. Those who follow him are merciful to one another, but ruthless to unbelievers” Surah 48:29. “Kill the Mushrikun (unbelievers) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush…” Surah 9:5. Also see Surah 9:29: PICKTHAL: “Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture (Christians & Jews) as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.”. Please note that th
ere is not a single verse in the entire Christian Bible that contains this “open-ended”, universal command to kill/or be ruthless to unbelievers.Surah 47:4 says:
Fa'idhā Laqītumu Al-Ladhīna Kafarū Fađarba Ar-Riqābi Ĥattaá 'Idhā 'Athkhantumūhum Fashuddū Al-Wathāqa Fa'immā Mannāan Ba`du Wa 'Immā Fidā'an Ĥattaá Tađa`a Al-Ĥarbu 'Awzārahā Dhālika Wa Law Yashā'u Allāhu Lāntaşara Minhum Wa Lakin Liyabluwa Ba`đakum Biba`đin Wa Al-Ladhīna Qutilū Fī Sabīli Allāhi Falan Yuđilla 'A`mālahum
which means
Therefore, WHEN YOU MEET THE UNBELIEVERS, SMITE AT THEIR NECKS; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.
this is only the beginning
Pierre
bod
some more education;
Allah – the Pagan god:
Islam, teaches that Jews and Christians both have earned the wrath of Allah by failing to follow Islam, and that they have also lost the way by following the teachings of the Torah for the Jews, or the Bible for Christians. Additionally, This god Allah (with a little g) lies about Jesus. Islam says that Jesus not only is not the Son of God, but that He did not even die on a cross in Jerusalem… Allah is therefore proven to be a false pagan god… Jews also do not believe this about Jesus (Yeshua). Who will believe it? The greatest of kings. Born in the humblest of places…. God, born in the flesh! The Apostle Paul tells us that Jews have been supernaturally blinded to this by God. Yet Christians and Jews worship the same God (Yahweh) and share the same Bible. Learn more. See movies “The Nativity Story” and “Jesus”, here.
About 578 years before Islam came along, Christians were warned against Islam by both Jesus and the Apostle Paul. Jesus warned us about the many false prophets who would follow Him (Matthew 16:11-12) . Paul warned us when he wrote:
“But even if we (or an angel from heaven) should preach a Gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be condemned to hell!” (Galatians 1:8).
Since Islam’s message differs fundamentally from the Gospel, it is clear what Paul taught regarding the fate of Muhammad and those who propagate Islam. Islam bypasses the sacrificial mediating work Jesus did for believers on the cross, thus negating the forgiveness of sins. This condemns non-believers to die in their sins. Jesus said; “I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.” John 8:24
Jesus also predicted the current dilemma of Muslim intolerance and fanaticism. He warned that the day was likewise coming when religious zealots will kill Christians and think they are offering a service to God (John 16:2-4).
Dear Christians and Muslims. Jesus is committed to winning the spiritual Holy War. He wants nobody to suffer an eternity without God, confined to a godless place. Know this, that God Himself is calling out those Muslims with good hearts! Jesus (Isa) Himself is appearing to many. A few years ago, Al-Jazeera reported that roughly six million Muslims are leaving Islam and becoming followers of Jesus every year in Africa. In 2005, roughly 250,000 Muslims converted to Christianity in Iran. Between 2003-2005, roughly 1 million Muslims converted to Christianity in Arab countries. Muslims are coming to Christ in North America, too, although not to the same extent as in Muslim countries. Tens of millions are embracing Jesus every few years in India and in China. Chinese missionaries are now gearing up to bring the Gospel of Jesus to dark Muslim places.
The Muslim Qur'an (Koran) and Muslim Hadith are unique among all the sacred writings in the entire world — because they alone counsel its followers to make war on unbelievers. Any thoughtful reader will be forced to admit that evil literally “drips” from their pages. One in every 55 verses in the Muslim Qur'an consists of this fake god Allah insisting that Muslims make war on unbelievers.
As you will see below, the Qur'an is a made up book of gibberish, of evil verses abrogating (superseding) peaceful verses.
The Qur'an cannot be trusted because it contains numerous “divinely inspired” contradictions. If God has a history of abrogating (changing) his own revelations as is done in the Qur'an, then how can we be certain he will not abrogate it again in the future? If Allah can abrogate his eternal speech, how can you trust him with your eternal soul?Comparing the Bible with the Qur'an “has likewise brought the firm realization that the contrast is stark and astounding. The superiority of the Bible is so transparently evident that one is flabbergasted and dumbfounded that so many human beings have embraced Islam in the last 1,400 years”. .. “The Quran lacks this heavenly manifestation of inspiration”. The Quran Unveiled, page 254
Jesus Christ:
To the Muslim, Jesus Christ is merely one of the many prophets of Allah (Sura: 4:171; 5:74). According to Islam, the prophet Muhammad supersedes Jesus Christ. Islam says Jesus Christ is not the Son of God or part of any Trinity (Surah 5:17; 5:116; 19:35). We are told by Islam that Jesus was the Messiah (Surah 3:45; 4:157; 171), but nothing but a slave on whom God showed favor (Surah 43:59); yet elsewhere in the Qur'an we are told the Messiah is not a slave (Surah 4:172). The Qur'an tells us that Jesus Christ did not atone for anyone's sins, although he was himself sinless (Surah 3:46) and is one of those who are near to God (Surah 3:45). Positively, the Qur'an says that Jesus Christ performed miracles (Surah 3:49; 5:110) and was the Messiah. The Qur'an says Jesus did not die on a cross. Various Muslim traditions say that Jesus either miraculously substituted Judas Iscariot for himself on the cross, or that God miraculously delivered Him from the hands of the Romans and Jews before He could be crucified. Most Muslims believe that Jesus Christ was taken bodily into heaven without having died (Surah 4:157). However, Surah 19:33 says Jesus died and would be resurrected. Muhammad on the other hand died in his wife Aisha's home, not long after he was poisoned by a slave girl. Muhammad's body was lowered into a hole in Medina, and his dead body was covered by dirt and brickwork.
It is interesting to compare Jesus and Muhammad according to the Qur'an. Jesus did miracles (Surah 3:49; 5:110), but Muhammad did not (Surah 13:8: “thou art a warner [of coming divine judgment] only”; also 6:37; 6:109; 17:59 and 17:90-93).Jesus was sinless (Surah 3:46), but Muhammad sinned and needed forgiveness (Surah 40:55: “Ask forgiveness of thy sin”; 42:5: “Ask forgiveness for those on the Earth”; 47:19: “Ask forgiveness for thy sin” ; 48:2: “that Allah may forgive thee of thy sin”).
Jesus was called “the Messiah” by Allah in the Qur'an. And Jesus was even born of a virgin (Surah 3:45-57)! Yet Muhammad who had 12 wives, 2 concubines, and participated in many attacks on innocent caravans and villages, and insisted on 20% of all the booty from these raids — is supposed to be the greatest of the prophets.
Both Muslim holy books (Qur'an/Koran and Hadith) contain commands for Muslims to subjugate the world, militarily. Muhammad commanded Muslims to spread Islam through Offensive Jihad; or conquest of non-Muslim lands. Muslims are also commanded to take back any land that was formerly Muslim, such as Israel.
Radical Muslims believe that they are Mujahideen, or “holy warriors of Allah”. Their goal, like Islam's goal is to establish the entire world as a pure Islamic state (a Khalifah), which conforms to Islamic laws.
An example of what Muslim children are taught in Muslim schools is this statement, found in a Jordanian/Palestinian school book in 1998:
“This religion (Islam) will destroy all other religions through the Islamic Jihad fighters”
this is what you guys believe that Christ is,you should change that little sentence bellow your page ,it does not fit your faith
Pierre
bod
can you deny this ??
There is never any hatred preached against Muslims or anyone when Christians and Jews Worship God. This is not true in Islam. Is it?
Here is an interesting January 2007 article about a show on British television where undercover “Muslims” were sent into mosques during a 12 month period, and tape what was being said. Among other things, it shows clerics at a number of leading British mosques exhorting followers to prepare for jihad, to hit girls for not wearing the hijab, and to follow Islamic law over UK law. Some are praising the Taliban. In response to the news that a British Muslim solider was killed fighting the Taliban, the Muslim speaker declares: “The hero of Islam is the one who separated his head from his shoulders.” Another speaker says Muslims cannot accept the rule of non-Muslims. “You cannot accept the rule of the kaffir,” Dr Ijaz Mian tells a meeting held within the mosque. “We have to rule ourselves and we have to rule the others.” Read here
– Surah 9:5 – But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war);
– Surah's 8:39; 9:5; 9:29: 47:4 in the Muslim Qur'an are 'divine' commandments to persecute Jews and Christians, to defeat them in battle and then to consign them either to slavery or to death.
April 27, 2007
Prayer by Sheik Ahmad Bahr, acting Speaker of the Palestinian Legislative Council, declared during a Friday sermon at a Sudan mosque that America and Israel will be annihilated and called upon Allah to kill Jews and Americans “to the very Last One”.
“Oh Allah, vanquish the Jews and their supporters. Oh Allah, count their numbers, and kill them all, down to the very last one. Oh Allah, show them a day of darkness. Oh Allah, who sent down His Book, the mover of the clouds, who defeated the enemies of the Prophet defeat the Jews and the Americans, and bring us victory over them.”The Comforter Jesus spoke of was the Holy Spirit who filled the Apostles while they gathered together on Pentecost. While gathered together they all began speaking in foreign tongues. The Comforter/Holy Spirit/Ruach HaKodesh also imparted the ways of God on Mary, the Apostles of Jesus, and about 120 other Disciples that day. Three thousand came into the Church that same day. Jesus' followers then immediately took Him seriously and they went out and began preaching the Gospel. The Comforter was NOT Muhammad. In John 14:26 the comforter is specifically identified as the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send in the name of Jesus Christ. There is no mention of any Allah, Muhammad, or any prophet to follow Jesus in any Christian or Jewish Holy Books.
Jesus told us, there would only be one more revelation of truth that would come after Him. John 14:17, 16:7 & 13 tell us that Jesus said a “Spirit of Truth” (not a man – a Spirit), the Comforter would come after He Himself departed. This Comforter was to guide us “into all truth”. So there would then be no truth remaining which would be sealed or hidden. Christians know this “Comforter” as the third person of the triune God, or the “Holy Spirit”.
“But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you” (John 14:26).
The “Comforter” refers to the Holy Spirit who descended on the Apostles of Jesus at Pentecost, just as Jesus said.This is another attempt by Islam to gain some sort of credibility. Jesus foretold the coming of the “Comforter”, which is the Holy Spirit.
Jesus did not say the following:
`Jesus, the son of Mary, said, O children of Israel, verily I am the Apostle of God sent unto you confirming the law which was given before me, and bringing good tidings of an Apostle who shall come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed.' (Surah 7:157)
Note the word Ahmed, of which the name Muhammad is compoundedMuhammad even disqualified himself as a true Prophet of God.
– Surah 29:27 states clearly that, as far as Allah and the Qur'an are concerned, the only true prophets are those related to Isaac (Ishaq) or Jacob (Yaqoub); yet Muhammad, according to Muslim tradition, is related to Ishmael and not Isaac or Jacob.
The real God (Yahweh) chose to establish His covenant with Abraham and Sarah's son Isaac, instead of with Ishmael, the son of the slave girl Hagar. God informed Abraham a full year before Isaac's birth that he would perpetuate His covenant through Isaac, not Ishmael. This choice of Isaac by God is mentioned 5 times, beginning in Genesis 17:18-21. Both God and Abraham cared for the young Ishmael. But, God only promised to make the descendents of Ishmael a great nation. Yet, who did this false Islamic god, Allah adopt? Ishmael! In fact, an important Islamic holiday called Id-al-Adha celebrates the bogus near sacrifice of Ishmael by Abraham in Mecca. Even though there is nothing in scripture suggesting Abraham ever set foot in Arabia.
Herein lies another prophetic truth! God rejected Ishmael and Esau because they were “wild donkeys” (Genesis 16:12) and men of the sword (Genesis 27:40). God did promise, however, to make Ishmael a great nation (Arabs). Who can deny that Islam, with its roots in Arabia, has not always acted like psychotic “wild donkeys” and “men of the sword”? I call to mind the rather recent “Cartoon” row with worldwide demonstrations by Muslims. Nothing of the sort occurred in Christendom after Dan Brown published his best selling book of lies known as the “Da Vinci Code”.
No prophet of God was ever subject to epileptic fits & uncertainty- like Muhammad was…
We know from Islamic historians that Muhammad's many wives did believe he was a a prophet of Allah, in part, because Muhammad would frequently go into epileptic frenzies and foam at the mouth, while receiving his “revelations”. Also, unlike any of the true prophets of Israel, Muhammad would go through prolonged periods of time when he himself thought he was going mad, or that he was possessed by demons. The Hebrew prophets never acted like this. The Hebrew prophets were certain that God (Yahweh) was speaking to them.
i hope you are learning something,
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2010,16:27) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 28 2010,23:10) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2010,15:48) bod you say;;Because the accusation trie to pit the Bible against The Quran when they are the same and talks about THE SAME GOD
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YOU KNOW THAT IS NOT TRUE,THE BIBLE IS BY IT SELF CONDEMNING THE CONTENTS OF THE KORAN,
JUST READ IT ,THE KORAN EXIST BY THE WILL OF ONE MAN AND HIS EGO, HE HAS THOUSANDS KILLING ON HIS HANDS,
JESUS SAYS HE IS THE TRUE SHEPHERD,HE AS GIVEN IS LIVE FOR HIS SHEEP;Pierre
ps;you are very selective in your respond to my quotes,i wander why that is
The Bible does not in any way condemn the Quran they speak the same information.And remember We took a covenant from the Children of Israel (to this effect): Worship none but Allah. treat with kindness your parents and kindred, and orphans and those in need; speak fair to the people; be steadfast in prayer; and practise regular charity. Then did ye turn back, except a few among you, and ye backslide (even now).
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #83)Where in the bible is this behaviour condemned?
O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,- of Satan's handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper.
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #90)Show me where the bible condemns this statement.
And all abomination shun!
( سورة المدثر , Al-Muddathir, Chapter #74, Verse #5)Show me where the bible disputes this
bodagain you do not answer but find a way in your head to not answer the question that are requested from you,
here is some of Islam history;
As you will see below, Muhammad posed as an apostle of God. Yet his life is filled with lustfulness (12 marriages and sex with a child, slaves and concubines), rapes, warfare, conquests, and unmerciful butcheries. The infinitely good, just and all holy God simply cannot tolerate anything in the least unjust or sinful. What Muhammad produced in the Qur'an is simply a book of gibberish consisting of later evil verses abrogating (superseding) earlier peaceful verses. These verses in Arabic poetically “tickle” the ears of Arab listeners. Islam is a caustic blend of paganism and twisted Bible stories. Muhammad, its lone “prophet”, who made no prophecies, conceived his religion to satiate his lust for power, sex, and money. He was a terrorist. And if you think these conclusions are shocking, wait until you see the evidence mostly from Islamic historians below. 70% of what is here is from Muslim and ex-Muslim historians – back to the 8th century.
The Sirat Rasul Allah was written by Ibn Ishaq in 750 A.D. He died in 773 A.D. It was edited and abridged by Abd al-Malik ibn Hisham in 828 A.D. and translated by Alfred Guillaume under the title, The Life of Muhammad in 1955 by Oxford Press. Abd al-Malik ibn Hisham's “Life of Muhammad” relied on the earlier works. Ulmar al-Waqidi of Medina, who died in 825 A.D. produced a work, which portions of which have survived, called “The Expeditions of Muhammad”. The History of al-Tabari was written by Abu Muhammad bin al-Tabari between 870 and 920 A.D. His monumental work was translated and published in 1987 through 1997 by the State University of New York Press. Make sure you study I, II, VI, VII, VIII, and IX. Al-Bukhari's Hadith, titled: Sahih Al-Bukhari and The True Traditions which was collected by Imam Bukhari in 850 A.D. Be sure to use the collector's original nomenclature because the only printed English translation (Publisher-Maktaba Dar-us-Salam, Translator-Muhammad Khan) was abridged and erroneously numbered. Finally, I recommend that you acquire at least three of the following Qur'an translations: Ahmed Ali, Pikthal, Noble by Muhsin Khan, Yusuf Ali, or Shakir. The oldest Qur'an fragments date to around 725 A.D. – a century after they were first recited.The main intent of this article is to warn Christians who may be “fooled” into Islam, because they did not have all the facts. It is a matter of grave concern. If you reject Jesus and the salvation He made possible — and follow Islam, your entire salvation (where you will spend eternity) is at stake. Islam can deceive you. It can fool the very elect. It rejects the salvation Jesus has made possible. Islam spreads the lie that Jesus never even died on a cross. That alone makes it demonic. This document also exists as a reference document to get out the truth which Muslims are never allowed to see. Of all the holy books in the world, Satan has taken pains to ensure that Muhammad and his Qur'an defiantly stand in diametrical opposition to Jesus, the Son of God, the true Prince of Peace – and his New Testament.
The immortal souls of billions of individuals are involved here. To good Muslims I say; “I have sympathy with your having to grow up in a closed society — where not embracing Islam would have gotten you shunned or even killed”. According to many interpretations of the Qur'an (aka: Koran), conversion to a faith other than Islam is punishable by death. Like Satan's slavery, Islam maintains a choke hold on its followers. This sorrowful situation most Muslims are born into should arouse compassion and not scorn, from the followers of the Christ.
Jesus never said a true prophet would appear in the last days. Rather, He said false prophets would arise who would deceive, if possible, the very elect.
You can always know a false god.
False gods always demand the blood of innocents.
Whenever the innocent and just are being slain, there you will find Moloch the god Ba'al; always masquerading.The god of Muslims is revealed as a tyrant who demands Muslims and all others submit to him. Whereas in the New Testament, Jesus revealed to Christians a God who is a loving Father, who wants us to come to Him via free will. In the Old Testament (Exodus 34:6) the real God revealed Himself as “merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth”. He is the Creator of the Universe, the God of Love, and Lord of Life. The God of Israel is this true God. He insists “Thou shall not kill the innocent and just”.
When a Muslim declares that Islam is a religion of peace, he/she is either ignorant of the Koran (Qur'an), or is deceitfully thinking of this “peace”, as it extends only to those within the Muslim Community. The deceit is that they will not tell you exactly what they mean. According to the Qur'an: “Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah. Those who follow him are merciful to one another, but ruthless to unbelievers” Surah 48:29. “Kill the Mushrikun (unbelievers) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush…” Surah 9:5. Also see Surah 9:29: PICKTHAL: “Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture (Christian
s & Jews) as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.”. Please note that there is not a single verse in the entire Christian Bible that contains this “open-ended”, universal command to kill/or be ruthless to unbelievers.Surah 47:4 says:
Fa'idhā Laqītumu Al-Ladhīna Kafarū Fađarba Ar-Riqābi Ĥattaá 'Idhā 'Athkhantumūhum Fashuddū Al-Wathāqa Fa'immā Mannāan Ba`du Wa 'Immā Fidā'an Ĥattaá Tađa`a Al-Ĥarbu 'Awzārahā Dhālika Wa Law Yashā'u Allāhu Lāntaşara Minhum Wa Lakin Liyabluwa Ba`đakum Biba`đin Wa Al-Ladhīna Qutilū Fī Sabīli Allāhi Falan Yuđilla 'A`mālahum
which means
Therefore, WHEN YOU MEET THE UNBELIEVERS, SMITE AT THEIR NECKS; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.
this is only the beginning
Pierre
Quote You can always know a false god.
False gods always demand the blood of innocents.
Whenever the innocent and just are being slain, there you will find Moloch the god Ba'al; always masquerading.Your entire post blows up in your face with this one paragraph because you believe that God sacrificed his innocent son demanding his blood for the sin of others
in-fact your entire religious view hangs on i, no innocent blood of Jesus and you say no salvation, right?Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2010,16:41) bod some more education;
Allah – the Pagan god:
Islam, teaches that Jews and Christians both have earned the wrath of Allah by failing to follow Islam, and that they have also lost the way by following the teachings of the Torah for the Jews, or the Bible for Christians. Additionally, This god Allah (with a little g) lies about Jesus. Islam says that Jesus not only is not the Son of God, but that He did not even die on a cross in Jerusalem… Allah is therefore proven to be a false pagan god… Jews also do not believe this about Jesus (Yeshua). Who will believe it? The greatest of kings. Born in the humblest of places…. God, born in the flesh! The Apostle Paul tells us that Jews have been supernaturally blinded to this by God. Yet Christians and Jews worship the same God (Yahweh) and share the same Bible. Learn more. See movies “The Nativity Story” and “Jesus”, here.
About 578 years before Islam came along, Christians were warned against Islam by both Jesus and the Apostle Paul. Jesus warned us about the many false prophets who would follow Him (Matthew 16:11-12) . Paul warned us when he wrote:
“But even if we (or an angel from heaven) should preach a Gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be condemned to hell!” (Galatians 1:8).
Since Islam’s message differs fundamentally from the Gospel, it is clear what Paul taught regarding the fate of Muhammad and those who propagate Islam. Islam bypasses the sacrificial mediating work Jesus did for believers on the cross, thus negating the forgiveness of sins. This condemns non-believers to die in their sins. Jesus said; “I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.” John 8:24
Jesus also predicted the current dilemma of Muslim intolerance and fanaticism. He warned that the day was likewise coming when religious zealots will kill Christians and think they are offering a service to God (John 16:2-4).
Dear Christians and Muslims. Jesus is committed to winning the spiritual Holy War. He wants nobody to suffer an eternity without God, confined to a godless place. Know this, that God Himself is calling out those Muslims with good hearts! Jesus (Isa) Himself is appearing to many. A few years ago, Al-Jazeera reported that roughly six million Muslims are leaving Islam and becoming followers of Jesus every year in Africa. In 2005, roughly 250,000 Muslims converted to Christianity in Iran. Between 2003-2005, roughly 1 million Muslims converted to Christianity in Arab countries. Muslims are coming to Christ in North America, too, although not to the same extent as in Muslim countries. Tens of millions are embracing Jesus every few years in India and in China. Chinese missionaries are now gearing up to bring the Gospel of Jesus to dark Muslim places.
The Muslim Qur'an (Koran) and Muslim Hadith are unique among all the sacred writings in the entire world — because they alone counsel its followers to make war on unbelievers. Any thoughtful reader will be forced to admit that evil literally “drips” from their pages. One in every 55 verses in the Muslim Qur'an consists of this fake god Allah insisting that Muslims make war on unbelievers.
As you will see below, the Qur'an is a made up book of gibberish, of evil verses abrogating (superseding) peaceful verses.
The Qur'an cannot be trusted because it contains numerous “divinely inspired” contradictions. If God has a history of abrogating (changing) his own revelations as is done in the Qur'an, then how can we be certain he will not abrogate it again in the future? If Allah can abrogate his eternal speech, how can you trust him with your eternal soul?Comparing the Bible with the Qur'an “has likewise brought the firm realization that the contrast is stark and astounding. The superiority of the Bible is so transparently evident that one is flabbergasted and dumbfounded that so many human beings have embraced Islam in the last 1,400 years”. .. “The Quran lacks this heavenly manifestation of inspiration”. The Quran Unveiled, page 254
Jesus Christ:
To the Muslim, Jesus Christ is merely one of the many prophets of Allah (Sura: 4:171; 5:74). According to Islam, the prophet Muhammad supersedes Jesus Christ. Islam says Jesus Christ is not the Son of God or part of any Trinity (Surah 5:17; 5:116; 19:35). We are told by Islam that Jesus was the Messiah (Surah 3:45; 4:157; 171), but nothing but a slave on whom God showed favor (Surah 43:59); yet elsewhere in the Qur'an we are told the Messiah is not a slave (Surah 4:172). The Qur'an tells us that Jesus Christ did not atone for anyone's sins, although he was himself sinless (Surah 3:46) and is one of those who are near to God (Surah 3:45). Positively, the Qur'an says that Jesus Christ performed miracles (Surah 3:49; 5:110) and was the Messiah. The Qur'an says Jesus did not die on a cross. Various Muslim traditions say that Jesus either miraculously substituted Judas Iscariot for himself on the cross, or that God miraculously delivered Him from the hands of the Romans and Jews before He could be crucified. Most Muslims believe that Jesus Christ was taken bodily into heaven without having died (Surah 4:157). However, Surah 19:33 says Jesus died and would be resurrected. Muhammad on the other hand died in his wife Aisha's home, not long after he was poisoned by a slave girl. Muhammad's body was lowered into a hole in Medina, and his dead body was covered by dirt and brickwork.
It is interesting to compare Jesus and Muhammad according to the Qur'an. Jesus did miracles (Surah 3:49; 5:110), but Muhammad did not (Surah 13:8: “thou art a warner [of coming divine judgment] only”; also 6:37; 6:109; 17:59 and 17:90-93).Jesus was sinless (Surah 3:46), but Muhammad sinned and needed forgiveness (Surah 40:55: “Ask forgiveness of thy sin”; 42:5: “Ask forgiveness for those on the Earth”; 47:19: “Ask forgiveness for thy sin” ; 48:2: “that Allah may forgive thee of thy sin”).
Jesus was called “the Messiah” by Allah in the Qur'an. And Jesus was even born of a virgin (Surah 3:45-57)! Yet Muhammad who had 12 wives, 2 concubines, and participated in many attacks on innocent caravans and villages, and insisted on 20% of all the booty from these raids — is supposed to be the greatest of the prophets.
Both Muslim holy books (Qur'an/Koran and Hadith) contain commands for Muslims to subjugate the world, militarily. Muhammad commanded Muslims to spread Islam through Offensive Jihad; or conquest of non-Muslim lands. Muslims are also commanded to take back any land that was formerly Muslim, such as Israel.
Radical Muslims believe that they are Mujahideen, or “holy warriors of Allah”. Their goal, like Islam's goal is to establish the entire world as a pure Islamic state (a Khalifah), which conforms to Islamic laws.
An example of what Muslim children are taught in Muslim schools is this statement, found in a Jordanian/Palestinian school book in 1998:
“This religion (Islam) will destroy all other religions through the Islamic Jihad fighters”
this is what you guys believe that Christ is,you should change that little sentence bellow your page ,it does not fit your faith
Pierre
Quote This condemns non-believers to die in their sins. Jesus said; “I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye bel
ieve not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.” John 8:24Entire post fails again because Jesus is saying that you must believe that he is Christ and not “God in the flesh” You will not find anywhere where Jesus Christ himself says “I am God” or “Worship me” if you can show me Jesus saying either of these I will be completely reconverted but you will never show such a thing because Jesus never said it. Why do you think Jesus never said it?
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