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Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 31 2010,12:11) There are no other gods
And chanting “There's no place like home” while tapping your red shoes together will bring you back to Kansas.Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 31 2010,12:15) Well, it's true and the reason is you admit your lack of certainty while Kejonn is simply bitter and angry at his old religion and hates religion with certainty. I am always amused at those who must resort to calling ex-theists “bitter and angry at the old religion”. You show the same level of bitterness and anger towards those who disagree with you in that case.
Quote He was enjoying his religion and now he has to deny it and not believe it at all just to feel comfortable.
Not really. I deny yours too, and I never “experienced it”. I would deny a Hindu theirs as well, unless they could show why I should believe their beliefs have any real merit. This thread is about proving your god is real while disproving others. The best you've been able to muster is “there are no other gods”. Sorry if that is just not convincing.Quote (kejonn @ Feb. 01 2010,05:37) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 31 2010,12:15) Well, it's true and the reason is you admit your lack of certainty while Kejonn is simply bitter and angry at his old religion and hates religion with certainty. I am always amused at those who must resort to calling ex-theists “bitter and angry at the old religion”. You show the same level of bitterness and anger towards those who disagree with you in that case.
Quote He was enjoying his religion and now he has to deny it and not believe it at all just to feel comfortable.
Not really. I deny yours too, and I never “experienced it”. I would deny a Hindu theirs as well, unless they could show why I should believe their beliefs have any real merit. This thread is about proving your god is real while disproving others. The best you've been able to muster is “there are no other gods”. Sorry if that is just not convincing.
You believe there are gods not to believe in. I am trying to explain to you that there is only One God to believe in.You are being a polytheistic Atheist it's rather strange
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 31 2010,12:58) You believe there are gods not to believe in. I am trying to explain to you that there is only One God to believe in.[/quote] And failing wonderfully.
You are being a polytheistic Atheist it's rather strange
Not really. Although I would say I am more of an agnostic, I doubt the existence of any god, be it yours or the Norse, Greek, Celtic, or Roman ones.You are athiestic towards all the other gods, so that makes to polytheistic atheist as well.
Quote (kejonn @ Feb. 01 2010,06:40) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 31 2010,12:58) You believe there are gods not to believe in. I am trying to explain to you that there is only One God to believe in. And failing wonderfully.
Quote You are being a polytheistic Atheist it's rather strange
Not really. Although I would say I am more of an agnostic, I doubt the existence of any god, be it yours or the Norse, Greek, Celtic, or Roman ones.You are athiestic towards all the other gods, so that makes to polytheistic atheist as well.
No, there really are no other gods there is not really any claim from other gods that they are gods, can you show me a text where Zeus or Jupiter said themselves that they are God?They are known myths not in dispute in-fact they have fathers, mothers, cohorts, partners were born and die none which are the attributes of God
But from this you can clearly see why Christianity could catch fire in Rome and Greece as Paul made Jesus a current “God” although we know Jesus was not “God”
But that foolishness did spread Christianity faster than anything else.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 31 2010,14:17) No, there really are no other gods there is not really any claim from other gods that they are gods, can you show me a text where Zeus or Jupiter said themselves that they are God? So your god wrote the Quran? And here I thought Mohammad (or his followers) wrote it!
If your god wrote the Quran, where has he been in the last 1300 years? Did he die? Mohammad surely died, but it seems the god who wrote the Quran must have died soon thereafter.
Quote They are known myths not in dispute in-fact they have fathers, mothers, cohorts, partners were born and die none which are the attributes of God If your god is not dead then where is he? Why does he not write anything new for a more modern mind? Your god really needs to get with the times!
Quote But from this you can clearly see why Christianity could catch fire in Rome and Greece as Paul made Jesus a current “God” although we know Jesus was not “God” But that foolishness did spread Christianity faster than anything else.
As opposed to being spread at sword point?Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 31 2010,21:35) Quote (david @ Jan. 29 2010,23:48) Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 29 2010,03:56)
What of the Rigveda? Avesta?I literally have never heard of them. So my point stands.
What about the Quran? Predictions are that Islam will one day either catch up to or overtake Christianity as the #1 religion. Will that mean that you will believe in Allah and convert if it happens in your lifetime?
Do muslims convert people? Although I've been to Muslim's houses in the ministry, I've never had one come to my house. (Maybe there just aren't enough muslims where I live.)Athiesm will overtake Christianity way before Muslims do.
You are right that popularity does not equal right.
But that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that IF A CREATOR EXISTS, i WOULD THINK HE'D WANT TO MAKE THAT MESSAGE AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE.
(I base this on the idea that an act of giving someone life is an ACT OF LOVE. Therefore, I would think that this Creator would want to show love and be loved in return.)Jesus followers followed the command to preach and make disciples and tell others to do the same. So, that message would spread.
Even if there were twice as many Muslims as “So called Christians” they would still not be going up to people and trying to share the Quran with non-Muslims.Perhaps you haven't been paying too much attention, but I'm not that interested in the “popular” course. If you remember, I'm one of JW's. There's not that many of us.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 01 2010,07:17) They are known myths not in dispute in-fact they have fathers, mothers, cohorts, partners were born and die none which are the attributes of God
They may not be the attributes you claim for your god, but Why can they not be qualities and relationships they claimed for theirs?You seem to think there is a valid argument to be had in denying others' ideas just because they do not match your version of the idea.
You would tell me that it could not have been a pink unicorn I saw because unicorns are not pink.
Stuart
Quote (kejonn @ Feb. 01 2010,05:37) I am always amused at those who must resort to calling ex-theists “bitter and angry at the old religion”. You show the same level of bitterness and anger towards those who disagree with you in that case.
Um, that does seem to fit you too KJ.Quote (david @ Feb. 01 2010,17:08) Do muslims convert people? Although I've been to Muslim's houses in the ministry, I've never had one come to my house. (Maybe there just aren't enough muslims where I live.)
david, door knocking is not a sign or fruit of true religion.
Vacuum cleaner salesmen do a lot of door knocking. Door knocking is one sales strategy among many that works.Quote (kejonn @ Feb. 01 2010,06:40) Not really. Although I would say I am more of an agnostic, I doubt the existence of any god
Do you also doubt that there is no God?Quote (Stu @ Jan. 31 2010,16:23) Tee Hee. I am better atheist than kejonn. Sorry, kejonn, don't mean to brag…
Stuart
You are a better believer in nothing? I wouldn't brag about that.Quote (t8 @ Feb. 01 2010,23:21) Quote (david @ Feb. 01 2010,17:08) Do muslims convert people? Although I've been to Muslim's houses in the ministry, I've never had one come to my house. (Maybe there just aren't enough muslims where I live.)
david, door knocking is not a sign or fruit of true religion.
Vacuum cleaner salesmen do a lot of door knocking. Door knocking is one sales strategy among many that works.
I should also add that the Internet can be better than door knocking. People are not very trusting of others who want to enter their house, but can be open to talking in cyberspace.Quote (t8 @ Feb. 01 2010,06:23) Quote (kejonn @ Feb. 01 2010,06:40) Not really. Although I would say I am more of an agnostic, I doubt the existence of any god
Do you also doubt that there is no God?
I'm more on the side of doubting of gods than the doubting of no gods
Quote (t8 @ Feb. 01 2010,06:20) Quote (kejonn @ Feb. 01 2010,05:37) I am always amused at those who must resort to calling ex-theists “bitter and angry at the old religion”. You show the same level of bitterness and anger towards those who disagree with you in that case.
Um, that does seem to fit you too KJ.
We can all make judgment calls on people's behavior. Does not mean they are accurate, but that is why we call it “opinion”. I've noted that the words “bitter” and “angry” are often used of those who oppose one's viewpoints on a variety of subjects, be it religion or choice of gardening tools.Quote (david @ Feb. 01 2010,00:08) Do muslims convert people? Although I've been to Muslim's houses in the ministry, I've never had one come to my house. (Maybe there just aren't enough muslims where I live.) You just hit on something: who is spreading knowledge of the Christian god? It is not the god himself, but the people who believe he exists who do the spreading.
The same holds true of other religions as well. It is rare that anyone stumbles about the belief in some god without the knowledge given to them by another person.
So you've been arguing a point that popularity should count for something when the popularity is not due to the god, but the ones who believe in the god.
Quote Athiesm will overtake Christianity way before Muslims do. Hopefully. Better to move forward than take two steps back.
Quote You are right that popularity does not equal right. But that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that IF A CREATOR EXISTS, i WOULD THINK HE'D WANT TO MAKE THAT MESSAGE AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE.
But did any creator do this? No, people have done it. No god wrote and mass produced a single bit of text.
Quote (I base this on the idea that an act of giving someone life is an ACT OF LOVE. Therefore, I would think that this Creator would want to show love and be loved in return.) Jesus followers followed the command to preach and make disciples and tell others to do the same. So, that message would spread.
Even if there were twice as many Muslims as “So called Christians” they would still not be going up to people and trying to share the Quran with non-Muslims.Are you sure? The methods just might differ. It seems Muslims like to use youtube and other Net methods, which is very effective in modern society. In fact, most people would rather not have someone approach them and talk to them about religion. It is much more comfortable to do so when there is no pressure to “buy” into something.
Quote Perhaps you haven't been paying too much attention, but I'm not that interested in the “popular” course. If you remember, I'm one of JW's. There's not that many of us.
No, not many JWs. But you are still followers of the Christian way, even if your own version. But then again, the same can be said of any sect of that religion.Quote (kejonn @ Feb. 02 2010,00:54) Quote (t8 @ Feb. 01 2010,06:23) Quote (kejonn @ Feb. 01 2010,06:40) Not really. Although I would say I am more of an agnostic, I doubt the existence of any god
Do you also doubt that there is no God?
I'm more on the side of doubting of gods than the doubting of no gods
So you are a doubter of all.Even logic dictates that something is the truth. I suppose you understand that and just haven't found any evidence for the truth.
Quote (kejonn @ Feb. 02 2010,00:57) Quote (t8 @ Feb. 01 2010,06:20) Quote (kejonn @ Feb. 01 2010,05:37) I am always amused at those who must resort to calling ex-theists “bitter and angry at the old religion”. You show the same level of bitterness and anger towards those who disagree with you in that case.
Um, that does seem to fit you too KJ.
We can all make judgment calls on people's behavior. Does not mean they are accurate, but that is why we call it “opinion”. I've noted that the words “bitter” and “angry” are often used of those who oppose one's viewpoints on a variety of subjects, be it religion or choice of gardening tools.
Yeah fair enough. As long as you are big enough to include yourself in that assessment.Quote (t8 @ Feb. 02 2010,02:15) Quote (kejonn @ Feb. 02 2010,00:57) Quote (t8 @ Feb. 01 2010,06:20) Quote (kejonn @ Feb. 01 2010,05:37) I am always amused at those who must resort to calling ex-theists “bitter and angry at the old religion”. You show the same level of bitterness and anger towards those who disagree with you in that case.
Um, that does seem to fit you too KJ.
We can all make judgment calls on people's behavior. Does not mean they are accurate, but that is why we call it “opinion”. I've noted that the words “bitter” and “angry” are often used of those who oppose one's viewpoints on a variety of subjects, be it religion or choice of gardening tools.
Yeah fair enough. As long as you are big enough to include yourself in that assessment.
Quite. I've often found myself being biased against someone based on their opposition of my views. When you realize that such is a the case, you've made progress and can deal with it.
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