Karmarie

[Stu]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 18 2009,20:04)

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 18 2009,16:00) Ed Very pleased to see you move onto a new topic Ed.  The numerology is a load of dull nonsense. Stuart Hi Stuart, At one point I believe you said something like mathematics can be solid proof. But when I give you numbers verification you say… 'to tedious' 'dull nonsense' What is it, are mathematics proof or no? God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Apart from simple addition, what mathematics have you actually done?

In what way does it constitute a proof?

What does it prove?

Stuart

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 18 2009,13:18)

Achi bodhitharta, I am happy and glad to see you pop back in, al tedag, Baruch Hu veBaruch Shmo, Ron

You too! Shalom

[Ed J]

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 18 2009,20:55)

Apart from simple addition, what mathematics have you actually done? Stuart

Hi Stuart,

How about the Greek…

In English, the significant number (74) is attributed to JOSHUA=74, Messiah=74;
also in the following: JESUS=74, Cross=74, Gospel=74, עד(Ed)=74, and even English=74.
Jesus Christ (74×32) also factors 74 in Greek Theomatically: [Jesus] Ιησους=74(x12),
[Christ] Χριστоς=74(x20). [Son of Man] υιος τον ανθρωπου=74(x40).

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 18 2009,13:03)

I love what ED is doing

Hi BD,

Salem, glad to see you back!

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Stu]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 19 2009,10:37)

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 18 2009,20:55) Apart from simple addition, what mathematics have you actually done? Stuart Hi Stuart, How about the Greek… In English, the significant number (74) is attributed to JOSHUA=74, Messiah=74; also in the following: JESUS=74, Cross=74, Gospel=74, עד(Ed)=74, and even English=74. Jesus Christ (74×32) also factors 74 in Greek Theomatically: [Jesus] Ιησους=74(x12), [Christ] Χριστоς=74(x20). [Son of Man] υιος τον ανθρωπου=74(x40). God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

How is that an answer to my questions?

What mathematics have you done, apart from simple addition?

You seem to be claiming it is a mathematical proof. What does it prove?

Stuart

[bodhitharta]

Quote (t8 @ Dec. 18 2009,13:29)

Oh, I should mention BD, that it says “come out of her my people” when talking of the Whore. The keywords here are MY PEOPLE.

Who are those people? When it says “My”

Jesus sat and ate and drank with everyone

But you would say?

The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.
Matthew 11:18-20

Who are these people when it says “My People”?

You would say?

Matthew 7: (King James Version)

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Who are these people when it says “My People”?

who does Jesus say this to?

Matthew 7 (King James Version)

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

So who are these people when it says “My People”

Luke 14:10-14 (King James Version)

10But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest room; that when he that bade thee cometh, he may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in the presence of them that sit at meat with thee.

11For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

So you put it upon yourself to make higher and lower rooms. Also look at what you have done to Stu, a man who comes and desires to speak about God just as a human being and although not convinced should he really be convinced by putting him in ISOLATION and calling him a sceptic as if he is in a nondynamic state of mind, who knows he may have some days feeling one way then other days feeling other ways just like everyone else.

Have you ever doubted the existence of God? I know that I have before and by my being Honest God revealed Himself to me and I Witnessed The Real and The Real Witnessed me.

God is Real but why is it that you try to insulate your beliefs instead of letting the True Light shine if your Love of God is real you should invite STU and everyone in JUST like JESUS.

Can you show me ONE SINGLE verse where Jesus decided not to engage in a conversation?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 19 2009,10:41)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 18 2009,13:03) I love what ED is doing Hi BD, Salem, glad to see you back! God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

I'm glad to be here for the moment but I just have to say what I know God wants me to get across to T8, Heaven or whomever makes the decisions on this site.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (t8 @ Dec. 18 2009,13:21)

bd, I disagree with the Trinity doctrine. I believe it is a doctrine of the whore. So this site is helping those who are caught up in her ways using the very scriptures that they supposedly hold dear. But other faiths voice skepticism of scripture and what is written therein. Given that, it is logical to have a place where people who believe scripture that Jesus is the messiah and son of God to discuss topics whereas those who are skeptical of scripture and the identity of Jesus as the son of God, can discuss their skepticism. Mixing the two into one group is too chaotic and every topic would inevitably degenerate into “is Jesus the son of God” and with atheist contribution it would fall even further to, “God does not exist so why bother talking about this topic”. I have been in this forum for 10 years now, and I know that this is what happens.

The logic you are using is faulty to say the least. The Gospel has nothing to do with what someone believes in already if that were true there would be no reason to preach it. Paul preached the Gospel to all people and went to their FORUMS and argued GOD WITH THEM

Acts 17:18-24 (King James Version)

18Then certain philosophers of the Epicureans, and of the Stoicks, encountered him. And some said, What will this babbler say? other some, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods: because he preached unto them Jesus, and the resurrection.

19And they took him, and brought him unto Areopagus, saying, May we know what this new doctrine, whereof thou speakest, is?

20For thou bringest certain strange things to our ears: we would know therefore what these things mean.

21(For all the Athenians and strangers which were there spent their time in nothing else, but either to tell, or to hear some new thing.)

22Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.

23For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.

24God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

but you would not believe?

But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;
Titus 1:2-4

Now, you tell STU I am going into church you stay out here you sceptic instead of saying come anywhere on this site and hear and debate and really express yourself so that he can feel the interaction of the Spirit but instead you only strengthen his resolve of not believeing and how could he when he knows if a person can't love and communicate with an actual person how do you expect them to believe you can have a relationship with what they can't see?

The question is are you really representing God when you let the lost sheep get away even when they are right in front of you? You prefer the 99? Maybe the lost sheep will be the Only one saved.

[Ed J]

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 19 2009,11:01)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 19 2009,10:37) Quote (Stu @ Dec. 18 2009,20:55) Apart from simple addition, what mathematics have you actually done? Stuart Hi Stuart, How about the Greek… In English, the significant number (74) is attributed to JOSHUA=74, Messiah=74; also in the following: JESUS=74, Cross=74, Gospel=74, עד(Ed)=74, and even English=74. Jesus Christ (74×32) also factors 74 in Greek Theomatically: [Jesus] Ιησους=74(x12), [Christ] Χριστоς=74(x20). [Son of Man] υιος τον ανθρωπου=74(x40). God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org How is that an answer to my questions? What mathematics have you done, apart from simple addition? You seem to be claiming it is a mathematical proof. What does it prove? Stuart

Hi Stuart,

If you want realize through your perception that God exists,
then you should ask him to reveal himself to you.

The best I can do for you is provide LOTS of circumstantial evidences,
that an Intelligence originating “outside of time” has orchestrated a consistent design.
Contained in the Christian AKJV Bible is a pattern of five “key numbers” 26, 63, 74, 117 and 151!
Important Theological ideas correspond to these, “The God numbers”=151 and can be proven to be NON-RANDOM!
This “intelligent design” of Theological ideas in language runs consistent, crossing into Greek as well as Hebrew!

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Stu]

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“The God numbers”=151 and can be proven to be NON-RANDOM!

But you are not actually going to 'prove' that, right?

Did you try converting those English phrases I gave you?

These all come out at 888, according to the calculator on that site I linked earlier.

messiah Jesus
god in man's form
satanic ritual
averts hopes
god is a con trick
revelation a lie

Is there some kind of technique that I am not using here?

Oh yes, I remember now, you have to reject every phrase that does not match what it says in scripture, the same scripture that distorts ALL such “phrase” = 888 statements towards the existence of your god, and all the dogmas that go with it.

I think you will find that it is not the codes for the words that is introducing what you perceive as non-random, but the scripture from which the phrases are taken.

Stuart

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 19 2009,11:58)

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 19 2009,11:01) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 19 2009,10:37) Quote (Stu @ Dec. 18 2009,20:55) Apart from simple addition, what mathematics have you actually done? Stuart Hi Stuart, How about the Greek… In English, the significant number (74) is attributed to JOSHUA=74, Messiah=74; also in the following: JESUS=74, Cross=74, Gospel=74, עד(Ed)=74, and even English=74. Jesus Christ (74×32) also factors 74 in Greek Theomatically: [Jesus] Ιησους=74(x12), [Christ] Χριστоς=74(x20). [Son of Man] υιος τον ανθρωπου=74(x40). God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org How is that an answer to my questions? What mathematics have you done, apart from simple addition? You seem to be claiming it is a mathematical proof. What does it prove? Stuart Hi Stuart, If you want realize through your perception that God exists, then you should ask him to reveal himself to you. The best I can do for you is provide LOTS of circumstantial evidences, that an Intelligence originating “outside of time” has orchestrated a consistent design. Contained in the Christian AKJV Bible is a pattern of five “key numbers” 26, 63, 74, 117 and 151! Important Theological ideas correspond to these, “The God numbers”=151 and can be proven to be NON-RANDOM! This “intelligent design” of Theological ideas in language runs consistent, crossing into Greek as well as Hebrew! God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Yes, Stu but you still neglect the whole truth and until then you will not get the full response that your work is about.

BTW, I did not start the thread “Witness The Real” regarding you, it is the actual name of the 2005 Manuscript “Witness The Real”

Grace=34 Allah=34 One=34 Men=34 Kin=34 Ink=34 Tie=34 also in Islam “Halal”=34 which is the Islamic term for “permissible,” similar to kosher

You also negate to mention that Muhammad also = 74 the same as Fruit=74

So he would also be “The Key”=74

Notice that cross also =74 but no code comes up on crucified, killed, crucify or crucifixion

[Ed J]

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 19 2009,12:45)

Quote “The God numbers”=151 and can be proven to be NON-RANDOM! But you are not actually going to 'prove' that, right? Did you try converting those English phrases I gave you? These all come out at 888, according to the calculator on that site I linked earlier. messiah Jesus god in man's form satanic ritual averts hopes god is a con trick revelation a lie Is there some kind of technique that I am not using here? Oh yes, I remember now, you have to reject every phrase that does not match what it says in scripture, the same scripture that distorts ALL such “phrase” = 888 statements towards the existence of your god, and all the dogmas that go with it. I think you will find that it is not the codes for the words that is introducing what you perceive as non-random, but the scripture from which the phrases are taken. Stuart

Hi Stuart,

Some people go off on English Gematria and try to match phrases to numbers
looking for word combinations that match yet do not edify (or build up) anybody.
Those going off on tangents with English Gematria is nothing more than a distraction away from the truth of God.

What does that have to do with the bible? Nothing.
None of those phrases are in “the Bible”; not one.

What does any of that have to do with anything I said? ask Stuart.
I see exactly why “T” will not let you into an open forum.
All you illustrate is a distraction away from “Truth”.

I’m glad I got your attention, though.

The Gematria I use has a direct correlation to the AKJV Bible;
cherry picked yes, but harder to debunk, because I did NOT orchestrate its use.
This pattern has occurred over large time scales; diminishing the look of mans manipulation.

Each point can be argued as merely random, but as the evidence is clearly seen as a whole,
all the facts taken together however cannot be argued as merely random and irrelevant.

Language should always supersede numbers when it comes to tying ideas together.
Numbers, however, can and should be used as a second witness though;
using them to help illustrate concepts of GOD more fully. Previously overlooked facts
(for example in a criminal case) can lead to much different conclusions.
In a civil case who speaks first plays a larger role than the defense.

However in a criminal case, he who speaks first changes NO Facts pertinent to the case.
I believe this is the case with Gematria. Lies and deceptions are perpetuated
when evidences that substantiate the truth are ignored, or left un-investigated;
leaving only distractions away from the truth. (Prob.18:13)

It's funny how you pick the number of the great red dragon(satan), (Rev.12:3 / 17:3)
in a very feeble attempt to try to debunk the proofs of God that I offer!

Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

If you don't want me to illustrate the non randomness of Biblical anomalies,
than just say so and I will stop showing them to you?
I thought you said it would be foolish not to believe in God if He existed?
What happened? Did you change your mind?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 19 2009,12:45)

Quote “The God numbers”=151 and can be proven to be NON-RANDOM! But you are not actually going to 'prove' that, right? Did you try converting those English phrases I gave you? These all come out at 888, according to the calculator on that site I linked earlier. messiah Jesus god in man's form satanic ritual averts hopes god is a con trick revelation a lie Is there some kind of technique that I am not using here? Oh yes, I remember now, you have to reject every phrase that does not match what it says in scripture, the same scripture that distorts ALL such “phrase” = 888 statements towards the existence of your god, and all the dogmas that go with it. I think you will find that it is not the codes for the words that is introducing what you perceive as non-random, but the scripture from which the phrases are taken. Stuart

Ed should acknowledge Stu's point otherwise he is just claiming superiority without cause.

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 19 2009,14:11)

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 19 2009,12:45) Quote “The God numbers”=151 and can be proven to be NON-RANDOM! But you are not actually going to 'prove' that, right? Did you try converting those English phrases I gave you? These all come out at 888, according to the calculator on that site I linked earlier. messiah Jesus god in man's form satanic ritual averts hopes god is a con trick revelation a lie Is there some kind of technique that I am not using here? Oh yes, I remember now, you have to reject every phrase that does not match what it says in scripture, the same scripture that distorts ALL such “phrase” = 888 statements towards the existence of your god, and all the dogmas that go with it. I think you will find that it is not the codes for the words that is introducing what you perceive as non-random, but the scripture from which the phrases are taken. Stuart Ed should acknowledge Stu's point otherwise he is just claiming superiority without cause.

Hi BD,

It's funny how you choose to side with a non-believer on this particular post?

Why is that BD, could the things I have said to you really been true?

Think about it,
Ed J

[Stu]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 19 2009,14:27)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 19 2009,14:11) Quote (Stu @ Dec. 19 2009,12:45) Quote “The God numbers”=151 and can be proven to be NON-RANDOM! But you are not actually going to 'prove' that, right? Did you try converting those English phrases I gave you? These all come out at 888, according to the calculator on that site I linked earlier. messiah Jesus god in man's form satanic ritual averts hopes god is a con trick revelation a lie Is there some kind of technique that I am not using here? Oh yes, I remember now, you have to reject every phrase that does not match what it says in scripture, the same scripture that distorts ALL such “phrase” = 888 statements towards the existence of your god, and all the dogmas that go with it. I think you will find that it is not the codes for the words that is introducing what you perceive as non-random, but the scripture from which the phrases are taken. Stuart Ed should acknowledge Stu's point otherwise he is just claiming superiority without cause. Hi BD, It's funny how you choose to side with a non-believer on this particular post? Why is that BD, could the things I have said to you really been true? Think about it, Ed J

What does 'siding with people' have to do with it?

Surely if you have 'proof' of something as you claimed, or even unambiguous evidence that strongly supports something, why should we all not be 'siding' with that?

Or is this about attracting others into your club for blinkered people with an obsession for finding patterns where none exist?

Stuart

[Stu]

Ed

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Some people go off on English Gematria and try to match phrases to numbers looking for word combinations that match yet do not edify (or build up) anybody.

So this is about ‘building people up’? You said originally it was about proving the existence of a deity.

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Those going off on tangents with English Gematria is nothing more than a distraction away from the truth of God. What does that have to do with the bible? Nothing. None of those phrases are in “the Bible”; not one.

So the “truth of god” is assumed to be true before we event start to look for evidence, and that evidence is only allowed if it supports the assumption? That is no proof of anything but bias.

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What does any of that have to do with anything I said? ask Stuart. I see exactly why “T” will not let you into an open forum. All you illustrate is a distraction away from “Truth”.

So only you have truth. No one else could possibly have it.

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I’m glad I got your attention, though.

So this is about you getting attention? I thought it was about proving the existence of a deity.

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The Gematria I use has a direct correlation to the AKJV Bible; cherry picked yes, but harder to debunk, because I did NOT orchestrate its use. This pattern has occurred over large time scales; diminishing the look of mans manipulation.

WHAT PATTERN? The one that comes from taking hundreds of phrases from scripture, codifying them, choosing the ones that have the same code, then pointing and saying “look these have the same code” while ignoring all the other codes for words that have the same meaning but are NOT the same number?

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Each point can be argued as merely random, but as the evidence is clearly seen as a whole, all the facts taken together however cannot be argued as merely random and irrelevant.

I don’t suppose you will bother at any stage to justify this claim?

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Language should always supersede numbers when it comes to tying ideas together. Numbers, however, can and should be used as a second witness though;

WHY? Your numbering system is arbitrary, and only selects what it wants to see.

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using them to help illustrate concepts of GOD more fully. Previously overlooked facts (for example in a criminal case) can lead to much different conclusions. In a civil case who speaks first plays a larger role than the defense. However in a criminal case, he who speaks first changes NO Facts pertinent to the case. I believe this is the case with Gematria. Lies and deceptions are perpetuated when evidences that substantiate the truth are ignored, or left un-investigated; leaving only distractions away from the truth. (Prob.18:13)

Yes, so what about all the phrases that add up to the same number, that ARE found in scripture but CONTRADICT ideas with the same number? Have you investigated those and presented them honestly?

No of course you haven’t.

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It's funny how you pick the number of the great red dragon(satan), (Rev.12:3 / 17:3) in a very feeble attempt to try to debunk the proofs of God that I offer!

Hilarious.

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If you don't want me to illustrate the non randomness of Biblical anomalies, than just say so and I will stop showing them to you?

You haven’t shown me anything like that yet.

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I thought you said it would be foolish not to believe in God if He existed? What happened? Did you change your mind?

No.

Stuart

[Stu]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 19 2009,13:00)

Grace=34  Allah=34  One=34 Men=34 Kin=34 Ink=34 Tie=34 also in Islam  “Halal”=34 which is the Islamic term for “permissible,” similar to kosher You also negate to mention that Muhammad also = 74 the same as Fruit=74 So he would also be “The Key”=74 Notice that cross also =74 but no code comes up on crucified, killed, crucify or crucifixion

Precisely.

Your 'proofs' indicate that since crucifixion and therefore christian salvation is a myth, Ed should accept that Mohammad is the way to allah.

Do you think he will accept your evidence in the way he expects others to accept his?

Stuart

[karmarie]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 18 2009,10:59)

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 12 2009,20:56) Quote Or would it be better to have another category for other faiths including the Muslim faith? I think this would have been better, With protection, as the believers section (against Athiests posting) I agree with Karmarie except I believe Atheists should also be able to post in that section everyone has the right to engage

I am sorry about that post Stu,

Years ago I became quite Athiestic minded myself,
so I now try to avoid Athiests arguements, because I dont have the answers and arent quite ready for the challenge

But after thinking about what BD said , I agree with him, he is right,

One of my closest friends was an Athiest, and if he were alive today id never turn my back on him

And your quite a cute Orangatan lol
God bless
km

And its good to see you back BD

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 18 2009,18:00)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 19 2009,11:58) Quote (Stu @ Dec. 19 2009,11:01) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 19 2009,10:37) Quote (Stu @ Dec. 18 2009,20:55) Apart from simple addition, what mathematics have you actually done? Stuart Hi Stuart, How about the Greek… In English, the significant number (74) is attributed to JOSHUA=74, Messiah=74; also in the following: JESUS=74, Cross=74, Gospel=74, עד(Ed)=74, and even English=74. Jesus Christ (74×32) also factors 74 in Greek Theomatically: [Jesus] Ιησους=74(x12), [Christ] Χριστоς=74(x20). [Son of Man] υιος τον ανθρωπου=74(x40). God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org How is that an answer to my questions? What mathematics have you done, apart from simple addition? You seem to be claiming it is a mathematical proof. What does it prove? Stuart Hi Stuart, If you want realize through your perception that God exists, then you should ask him to reveal himself to you. The best I can do for you is provide LOTS of circumstantial evidences, that an Intelligence originating “outside of time” has orchestrated a consistent design. Contained in the Christian AKJV Bible is a pattern of five “key numbers” 26, 63, 74, 117 and 151! Important Theological ideas correspond to these, “The God numbers”=151 and can be proven to be NON-RANDOM! This “intelligent design” of Theological ideas in language runs consistent, crossing into Greek as well as Hebrew! God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Yes, Stu but you still neglect the whole truth and until then you will not get the full response that your work is about. BTW, I did not start the thread “Witness The Real” regarding you, it is the actual name of the 2005 Manuscript “Witness The Real” Grace=34  Allah=34  One=34 Men=34 Kin=34 Ink=34 Tie=34 also in Islam  “Halal”=34 which is the Islamic term for “permissible,” similar to kosher You also negate to mention that Muhammad also = 74 the same as Fruit=74 So he would also be “The Key”=74 Notice that cross also =74 but no code comes up on crucified, killed, crucify or crucifixion

Just wondering what is the number for curse, cursed, hang, hangs, hangeth, hung, and tree, I am not into the gematra stuff so I was wondering.

The Messiah hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that hangeth on a tree: Gal 3:13

Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. 1Peter 2:12

[Ed J]

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 19 2009,18:06)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 19 2009,13:00) Grace=34  Allah=34  One=34 Men=34 Kin=34 Ink=34 Tie=34 also in Islam  “Halal”=34 which is the Islamic term for “permissible,” similar to kosher You also negate to mention that Muhammad also = 74 the same as Fruit=74 So he would also be “The Key”=74 Notice that cross also =74 but no code comes up on crucified, killed, crucify or crucifixion Precisely. Your 'proofs' indicate that since crucifixion and therefore christian salvation is a myth, Ed should accept that Mohammad is the way to allah. Do you think he will accept your evidence in the way he expects others to accept his? Stuart

Hi Stuart,

Allah=66 in Arabic is a 'title' that means God, BD believes in God, you don't!

I have nothing against Muhammad, his goal was to teach his people about God.

It's false doctrines I stand against(satan has created many:2Cor.11:14-15), BD is my friend.

What do you think about that; Stuart?

Ed J

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